WEBVTT 00:00:09.040 --> 00:00:11.920 Welcome Director Monika Vrubleska. 00:00:12.000 --> 00:00:14.200 Could you show up please? Welcome. 00:00:14.280 --> 00:00:16.400 Thank you very much for being with us today. 00:00:17.360 --> 00:00:21.880 I'd also like to welcome wholeheartedly our partners representatives 00:00:21.960 --> 00:00:23.200 Architects Council of Europe. 00:00:34.480 --> 00:00:38.400 I would like to welcome representatives of European Council of Spatial Planners. 00:00:41.520 --> 00:00:43.680 I guess only join us in a moment. 00:00:44.160 --> 00:00:48.000 Also welcome presentatives of international science here 00:00:51.600 --> 00:00:52.640 Elizabeth Bilper. 00:00:53.600 --> 00:00:56.000 My guest is still queuing for her id. 00:00:56.720 --> 00:00:59.680 I'd also like to welcome our Polish partners. 00:01:00.160 --> 00:01:01.960 The association of Polish Architects. 00:01:02.040 --> 00:01:04.560 The Chamber of the Architects of the Republic of Poland. 00:01:05.680 --> 00:01:11.440 Society of Polish Urban City Preparation. 00:01:11.680 --> 00:01:17.840 This conference lasted for some six months and it was carried out 00:01:20.160 --> 00:01:23.440 a group of people whom I owe have words of gratitude that I would 00:01:23.520 --> 00:01:24.560 like to Express now. 00:01:25.200 --> 00:01:27.920 Four of our main co organizers. Mr. 00:01:28.000 --> 00:01:32.080 Wiscliskowski, head of the Polish Council of 00:01:32.560 --> 00:01:33.440 Architecture, 00:01:39.520 --> 00:01:42.080 also Mr. Bardosz Macikowski, 00:01:42.480 --> 00:01:44.080 same institution is with us today. 00:01:44.160 --> 00:01:47.080 And Mr. Shapryl, also from the Chamber of Architects. 00:01:47.240 --> 00:02:00.360 Welcome, Editor in chief. 00:02:02.760 --> 00:02:05.080 It is also the media partner 00:02:10.680 --> 00:02:14.240 also a declaration that we are drafting 00:02:14.320 --> 00:02:18.960 in its basic form to complete the process. 00:02:19.360 --> 00:02:24.920 It will be available to you by break. 00:02:25.000 --> 00:02:27.360 So that's why we're not displaying its final shape yet. 00:02:27.440 --> 00:02:29.760 I would like to mention. 00:02:30.320 --> 00:02:31.840 Could you please show up? 00:02:31.920 --> 00:02:38.000 So this is Pierre Abide, right after lunch, should you want 00:02:38.720 --> 00:02:44.160 to submit any remarks concerns concerning the shape of the director. 00:02:44.240 --> 00:02:48.680 Mr. Pierce will be collecting these remarks and then drafting the final 00:02:49.240 --> 00:02:50.440 shape of the declaration. 00:02:50.520 --> 00:02:57.240 I'm very happy that it is possible for us to be hosting 00:02:59.880 --> 00:03:01.880 awards for best architecture. 00:03:01.960 --> 00:03:04.200 And even Blaz is with us here. 00:03:04.840 --> 00:03:08.280 He is the president of that body. 00:03:08.440 --> 00:03:10.800 And we'll see the exhibition upstairs. 00:03:11.120 --> 00:03:14.720 Even agreed to give you a guided tour. 00:03:15.040 --> 00:03:20.560 Those of you who are interested will be guided by even the display is available. 00:03:22.880 --> 00:03:26.880 This exhibition will be available to you till the end of the conference, 00:03:27.280 --> 00:03:31.800 during each of the breaks for the Polish speakers. 00:03:31.880 --> 00:03:37.440 We've also prepared a little booklet that you'll be able to take with you 00:03:39.480 --> 00:03:40.520 within the conference. 00:03:42.120 --> 00:03:47.240 We also cooperated closely with our colleagues from the European Commission. 00:03:47.640 --> 00:03:52.440 I would like to extend particular words of gratitude to Jutta Kasner. 00:03:52.600 --> 00:03:53.720 Please show up. 00:03:55.080 --> 00:03:59.080 Since October last year has been working with us 00:03:59.160 --> 00:04:01.120 on the shape of the conference, its scope. 00:04:01.200 --> 00:04:04.880 It is owing to her efforts we managed to collect such 00:04:04.960 --> 00:04:06.640 an impressive group of speakers. 00:04:12.120 --> 00:04:14.800 And now, ladies and gentlemen, if I may, I would like to open 00:04:14.880 --> 00:04:16.880 the first plenary session. 00:04:17.000 --> 00:04:19.640 And we shall start with three plenary speeches. 00:04:19.720 --> 00:04:23.040 The first will be delivered by Mr. Ruth Shagerman, head 00:04:23.120 --> 00:04:24.960 of the Architecture Council of Europe. 00:04:38.160 --> 00:04:39.280 Ladies and gentlemen. 00:04:39.520 --> 00:04:42.400 Dear Pietro, dear colleagues and friends, 00:04:43.840 --> 00:04:46.560 as an architect, as A mother. 00:04:47.120 --> 00:04:50.960 And as someone who has the privilege of working with colleagues across 00:04:51.040 --> 00:04:52.960 every corner of our continent. 00:04:53.760 --> 00:04:58.880 I stand before you not only in the role as the President of the Architects Council 00:04:58.960 --> 00:05:01.640 of Europe, but as a European. 00:05:02.200 --> 00:05:04.120 From the bottom of my heart. 00:05:05.560 --> 00:05:09.880 I was born and raised with the deep conviction that Europe 00:05:09.960 --> 00:05:11.240 is more than a market. 00:05:12.280 --> 00:05:17.320 It is a promise of peace, of solidarity, 00:05:18.600 --> 00:05:19.960 of shared culture. 00:05:21.760 --> 00:05:26.240 And for me, that promise has always taken form in the built 00:05:26.320 --> 00:05:31.200 environment, the places we shape, the homes we inhabit, 00:05:31.520 --> 00:05:33.600 the neighborhoods we nurture. 00:05:36.400 --> 00:05:38.320 Good morning, ladies and gentlemen. 00:05:38.800 --> 00:05:44.640 It is a deep honor to stand here before you in Danzig, in Gdansk. 00:05:45.120 --> 00:05:51.600 A city where history whispers from every brick and where change has always begun, 00:05:51.840 --> 00:05:54.400 not with walls, but with ideas. 00:05:56.000 --> 00:06:00.320 Before I take you on a journey I have prepared, let me say this. 00:06:00.800 --> 00:06:06.040 I'm deeply impressed by how quick and with what energy this conference 00:06:06.120 --> 00:06:09.680 has come to life in such a short time. 00:06:09.760 --> 00:06:12.240 Institutions and partners came together. 00:06:13.200 --> 00:06:16.560 The Ministry of Economic Development and Technology, 00:06:17.520 --> 00:06:20.400 the European Commission and many others. 00:06:20.480 --> 00:06:25.200 Pietro mentioned at the beginning, but let's be honest, 00:06:26.240 --> 00:06:29.600 it wasn't the institutions alone that made this possible. 00:06:30.480 --> 00:06:32.640 It was the people behind him. 00:06:33.520 --> 00:06:38.480 People who committed their time, their passion, and their belief 00:06:38.800 --> 00:06:40.880 that architecture matters. 00:06:42.240 --> 00:06:47.120 People who stood united across roles, across sectors, across borders 00:06:47.680 --> 00:06:49.360 to make this gathering happen. 00:06:51.280 --> 00:06:58.240 And to them, to you who are here today, I have to say thank you very much. 00:07:00.640 --> 00:07:06.080 Today I want to take you on a journey, not just across Europe, but into a vision. 00:07:06.400 --> 00:07:12.480 A vision for the future of our cities, our homes, our shared spaces 00:07:12.640 --> 00:07:15.280 and the policies that shape them. 00:07:16.640 --> 00:07:19.200 Because how we build is how we live. 00:07:20.400 --> 00:07:24.240 And how we live determines how we thrive 00:07:25.280 --> 00:07:27.920 as individuals, as communities 00:07:28.480 --> 00:07:29.840 and as society. 00:07:31.520 --> 00:07:36.800 Let me begin with a what kind of world 00:07:36.880 --> 00:07:38.960 do we want to live in tomorrow? 00:07:40.320 --> 00:07:44.000 And what are we doing today to build it? 00:07:45.680 --> 00:07:47.440 We are at crossroads. 00:07:48.080 --> 00:07:49.320 Across our continent. 00:07:49.400 --> 00:07:52.000 The geopolitical landscape is shifting. 00:07:52.960 --> 00:07:56.760 Security, defense, and the need for energy, 00:07:56.880 --> 00:08:02.640 resilience and economic stability have returned to the core of Europeans agenda. 00:08:03.680 --> 00:08:09.360 As architects, it might seem that our role in this complex matrix is small. 00:08:10.800 --> 00:08:13.600 But I assure you it is not. 00:08:14.960 --> 00:08:19.440 Because every resilient society is built on a foundation of trust. 00:08:19.760 --> 00:08:23.840 And architecture is one of the few professions that physically 00:08:24.320 --> 00:08:26.240 manifest that trust. 00:08:28.800 --> 00:08:32.720 Our cities are spaces of democracy, of solidarity, 00:08:33.280 --> 00:08:35.840 and a time when cohesion is tested. 00:08:36.240 --> 00:08:40.560 The work we do, creating places that foster belonging, 00:08:40.640 --> 00:08:44.920 safety and community, is more vital than ever. 00:08:46.920 --> 00:08:52.040 Europe's strength does not only lie in treaties or military alliances. 00:08:52.920 --> 00:08:57.520 It lies in its ability to offer its citizens a decent life. 00:08:58.840 --> 00:09:04.760 A life in which public space, housing, education and and sustainability 00:09:05.560 --> 00:09:08.920 are not afterthoughts, but priorities. 00:09:11.240 --> 00:09:15.000 Architecture policy is a tool of strategic autonomy. 00:09:15.400 --> 00:09:18.600 It builds Europe from the inside out. 00:09:20.600 --> 00:09:24.840 In parallel, the European Commission is reshaping the single market to be 00:09:24.920 --> 00:09:27.640 more competitive, green and digital. 00:09:29.800 --> 00:09:34.760 But let us ask ourselves, what kind of competition do we want? 00:09:36.520 --> 00:09:42.200 Do we want a race to the bottom where buildings are reduced to commodities 00:09:42.280 --> 00:09:45.880 and public contracts are awarded on cost alone? 00:09:47.320 --> 00:09:51.960 Or do we want a market that values innovation, long term impact 00:09:52.280 --> 00:09:54.120 and cultural sustainability? 00:09:56.120 --> 00:10:00.120 A truly competitive Europe is one that nurtures creativity, 00:10:00.760 --> 00:10:06.760 empowers professionals and delivers environments that enhance well being. 00:10:09.080 --> 00:10:13.000 Architecture is not, and I strongly believe in that, 00:10:13.400 --> 00:10:15.960 is not an obstacle of efficiency. 00:10:16.920 --> 00:10:20.120 It is a driver and multiplier of value. 00:10:22.160 --> 00:10:26.960 And the architectural profession, especially small and medium sized offices, 00:10:27.200 --> 00:10:32.960 is the vehicle throughout which this value is distributed across Europe. 00:10:34.240 --> 00:10:37.520 And that is why ace, the Architects Council of Europe, 00:10:37.760 --> 00:10:44.400 advocates for a fair and open competitive single market for architectural services. 00:10:45.440 --> 00:10:48.960 The highest standards of academic and professional education, 00:10:50.560 --> 00:10:56.320 stronger enforcement of intellectual services and EU public procurement law. 00:10:57.360 --> 00:11:03.600 Digital tools that empower, not replace creative expertise. 00:11:05.840 --> 00:11:12.560 Because competitiveness without quality is short term, Quality without 00:11:12.640 --> 00:11:15.360 competitiveness is unsustainable. 00:11:16.200 --> 00:11:20.680 But together they define European excellence. 00:11:23.480 --> 00:11:27.880 Architecture is more than a response to need, it is an expression of care 00:11:28.360 --> 00:11:32.920 for people, places and the future we want to build together. 00:11:34.200 --> 00:11:36.280 That is the essence of Baukultur. 00:11:36.520 --> 00:11:42.920 A culture of building that places enhanced quality, identity, 00:11:43.480 --> 00:11:45.800 long term value at its heart. 00:11:46.440 --> 00:11:50.600 In 2018, the Davos Declaration gave us a compass. 00:11:51.000 --> 00:11:56.120 And with that quality tool, it translated ambition into action 00:11:56.840 --> 00:12:03.240 through eight very clear governance, functionality, 00:12:04.280 --> 00:12:11.240 environment, economy, diversity, context, sense of place and beauty. 00:12:13.400 --> 00:12:15.720 These are not abstract ideals. 00:12:16.360 --> 00:12:21.720 They are everyday decisions in planning, in procurement and in design. 00:12:23.240 --> 00:12:25.880 They are the foundation of a transformation. 00:12:26.440 --> 00:12:29.680 Because green, digital and social transitions are not 00:12:29.760 --> 00:12:33.160 technical projects, they are cultural ones. 00:12:34.680 --> 00:12:37.400 And this is where the new European Bauhaus comes in. 00:12:37.960 --> 00:12:41.400 Bring the cultural mission to the heart of the green deal. 00:12:42.280 --> 00:12:47.400 It links sustainability, beauty and inclusion. 00:12:48.200 --> 00:12:50.200 It makes values visible. 00:12:51.320 --> 00:12:55.640 And it empowers architects not just as service providers, 00:12:55.880 --> 00:12:59.800 but as co creators of a future that is 00:12:59.880 --> 00:13:02.920 both innovative and rooted in meaning. 00:13:03.720 --> 00:13:09.080 Through the new European Bauhaus, we show that tradition and progress can 00:13:09.160 --> 00:13:14.040 walk hand in hand, shaping places that are not only 00:13:14.120 --> 00:13:17.640 efficient, but truly worth living in. 00:13:19.880 --> 00:13:23.280 And when we speak about quality and culture, we must also speak 00:13:23.360 --> 00:13:26.840 about continuity of what we pass on. 00:13:27.800 --> 00:13:31.800 Together with Europa, Nostra and icomos, ACE has made a clear 00:13:33.080 --> 00:13:38.120 what we build or retrofit today must be worthy of the becoming 00:13:38.360 --> 00:13:40.840 and becoming the heritage of tomorrow. 00:13:41.720 --> 00:13:47.560 That means prioritizing reuse over demolition and integrating identity 00:13:47.640 --> 00:13:52.400 and memory into housing, energy, climate, storage strategies. 00:13:53.920 --> 00:13:56.800 Our environment is not Just a background. 00:13:57.680 --> 00:14:03.680 It's a living archive of who we are and who we aspire to be. 00:14:05.840 --> 00:14:07.760 Let us look around us. 00:14:08.640 --> 00:14:13.600 Gdansk is not only a symbol of history, it is a living laboratory 00:14:13.760 --> 00:14:15.440 of urban transformation. 00:14:16.400 --> 00:14:21.400 From the revitalization of the lone miestro to the adaptive reuse 00:14:21.480 --> 00:14:26.480 of the De Ganz shipyard and the European Solidarity center, 00:14:26.960 --> 00:14:30.480 this city shows what happens when 00:14:30.560 --> 00:14:34.080 architectural vision meets civic will. 00:14:35.360 --> 00:14:40.880 Here we see how public spaces, culture and heritage become tools for renewal. 00:14:42.800 --> 00:14:45.440 This is what quality looks like in practice. 00:14:46.080 --> 00:14:50.400 A city tells its story throughout its buildings. 00:14:51.040 --> 00:14:54.720 That includes its citizens in shaping its future. 00:14:56.400 --> 00:14:59.600 In the Solidarity center, we see more than steel and glass. 00:14:59.680 --> 00:15:04.160 We see the echo of courage, of voices that refuse to be silenced. 00:15:05.120 --> 00:15:08.480 Architecture here is not a shell. 00:15:08.880 --> 00:15:10.080 It is a memory. 00:15:10.720 --> 00:15:12.000 It is identity. 00:15:12.920 --> 00:15:14.280 It is commitment. 00:15:17.320 --> 00:15:22.760 And it reminds us that spatial quality is not just a luxury, it is a right. 00:15:24.680 --> 00:15:27.480 Architects are not just designers of buildings. 00:15:27.560 --> 00:15:30.440 We are facilitators of transformation. 00:15:31.480 --> 00:15:35.320 Architectural offices across Europe are economic actors, 00:15:35.880 --> 00:15:38.920 knowledge hubs and innovation labs. 00:15:39.600 --> 00:15:43.680 They generate employment, stimulate local economies and are central 00:15:43.760 --> 00:15:47.360 to delivering the green and digital transition. 00:15:48.320 --> 00:15:51.840 According to the Architects Council of Europe's latest study, 00:15:52.480 --> 00:15:59.200 Europe's 600,000 Architects, spread across tens of thousands of small 00:15:59.280 --> 00:16:04.720 and medium sized offices, contribute significantly to the gdp, 00:16:05.280 --> 00:16:07.120 job creation and innovation. 00:16:09.280 --> 00:16:13.360 And most importantly, they are rooted in communities 00:16:14.240 --> 00:16:19.040 working closely with local authorities, citizens and experts. 00:16:20.320 --> 00:16:24.960 These offices, and we strongly have to believe in it, these offices are 00:16:25.040 --> 00:16:27.600 bridges between ambition and reality. 00:16:28.240 --> 00:16:32.480 Their presence ensures that quality is embedded from the earliest 00:16:32.560 --> 00:16:34.480 concept to the final brick. 00:16:35.360 --> 00:16:40.400 And this is why the Architects Council of Europe emphasizes clear frameworks 00:16:40.480 --> 00:16:44.440 that protect and elevate the rule of architects. 00:16:44.520 --> 00:16:48.160 And not the rule, but more the role of architects in all 00:16:48.240 --> 00:16:53.280 procedures from urban planning to post occupancy evaluation. 00:16:53.360 --> 00:16:56.000 Their expertise must shape the outcomes. 00:16:56.560 --> 00:17:02.520 And let's not forget, design is not a phase, it is a process. 00:17:03.320 --> 00:17:09.560 And that process needs trust, collaboration and fair conditions. 00:17:11.720 --> 00:17:15.840 Public procurement is not just a legal process, it is a cultural 00:17:15.920 --> 00:17:17.400 choice of every day. 00:17:17.600 --> 00:17:21.840 And the Luxembourg Declaration on Public Procurement adopted this May, 00:17:22.080 --> 00:17:26.280 calls for the end of lowest price criteria for architectural services. 00:17:27.120 --> 00:17:28.080 You ask why? 00:17:29.440 --> 00:17:33.280 Because quality procedures mean quality outcomes. 00:17:34.080 --> 00:17:39.120 We call for mandatory quality based selection for design services. 00:17:39.920 --> 00:17:44.080 A dedicated chapter in the EU Directive for Intellectual Services. 00:17:45.280 --> 00:17:48.880 Simplified access for SMEs and emerging talent. 00:17:49.600 --> 00:17:53.840 Recognition of architectural design competition as tools for quality 00:17:54.000 --> 00:17:56.400 and innovation driven outcomes. 00:17:58.600 --> 00:18:03.560 Architectural design competitions, if done well, ensure transparency, 00:18:03.720 --> 00:18:06.360 public debate and creative excellence. 00:18:07.080 --> 00:18:12.360 They allow young architects to enter the field and public institutions 00:18:12.520 --> 00:18:14.520 to access the best ideas. 00:18:16.520 --> 00:18:21.600 The Architects Council of Europe and its member organizations have long advocated 00:18:21.680 --> 00:18:25.440 this throughout policy papers and knowledge sharing events, 00:18:25.680 --> 00:18:27.440 for example, like today. 00:18:28.720 --> 00:18:30.720 And these are not technical details. 00:18:30.800 --> 00:18:34.640 They are matters of fairness, inclusion and efficiency. 00:18:35.200 --> 00:18:39.520 Because when procurement supports quality, democracy thrives. 00:18:41.680 --> 00:18:44.160 We must also tell the story of quality. 00:18:44.800 --> 00:18:48.240 That is why the Architects Council of Europe has launched a call 00:18:48.320 --> 00:18:53.200 for contribution to create an exhibition on high quality architecture. 00:18:53.920 --> 00:18:57.920 We are gathering exemplary projects until the end of June. 00:18:58.240 --> 00:19:01.040 So I call every one of you to participate. 00:19:01.360 --> 00:19:04.800 Throughout the Polish Chamber of Architects. 00:19:06.720 --> 00:19:10.080 This exhibition is going to be more than a display. 00:19:10.400 --> 00:19:17.280 It is a message that we know how to build better and that we are already doing it. 00:19:18.240 --> 00:19:22.480 And let's use this exhibition as a tool to encourage parliamentarians, 00:19:22.560 --> 00:19:27.400 member states, European commissioners and the public in a new conversation about 00:19:27.480 --> 00:19:29.600 what kind of Europe we want to live in. 00:19:31.120 --> 00:19:32.720 Let's talk about housing. 00:19:33.440 --> 00:19:37.080 Across Europe, access to quality, affordable housing has 00:19:37.160 --> 00:19:42.480 become one of the greatest challenges of our time, especially for young people. 00:19:44.720 --> 00:19:50.160 But we must refuse the false choice between affordability and quality. 00:19:51.280 --> 00:19:53.920 We can and must do both. 00:19:55.440 --> 00:19:59.840 The AICE research shows that high quality architecture is not a cost, 00:20:00.240 --> 00:20:01.280 it's an investment. 00:20:02.000 --> 00:20:05.840 It's an investment in health, in inclusion, in climate 00:20:05.920 --> 00:20:07.600 mitigation and in community. 00:20:08.880 --> 00:20:12.920 Architectural policies help to make this visible to finance ministers, 00:20:13.000 --> 00:20:15.520 mayors and ministries of infrastructure. 00:20:16.320 --> 00:20:17.680 But we must go further. 00:20:19.000 --> 00:20:21.960 An architecture policy is not just about housing. 00:20:22.040 --> 00:20:25.880 It's about urban planning, about landscape, about the city 00:20:25.960 --> 00:20:27.600 fabric and the rural areas. 00:20:28.440 --> 00:20:33.160 It's about how neighborhoods grow, how villages sustain, 00:20:33.960 --> 00:20:36.520 how cities and towns heal. 00:20:38.200 --> 00:20:42.080 Architecture policy matters now more than ever. 00:20:42.920 --> 00:20:48.320 Artificial intelligence, digitalization, industrialized construction, robotics, 00:20:48.520 --> 00:20:52.080 they are not going to away, they are picking up speed. 00:20:52.960 --> 00:20:58.800 And that's exactly why we need strong architectural policies and empowered city 00:20:58.960 --> 00:21:04.400 architects to make sure we don't repeat the mistakes of the past. 00:21:04.800 --> 00:21:07.520 Rolling out one solution everywhere. 00:21:08.480 --> 00:21:14.480 Because when we build fast and at scale, we have a duty to build wisely, 00:21:15.520 --> 00:21:17.760 not just for function, but for people. 00:21:19.440 --> 00:21:23.360 We need architecture policies that are rooted in place but aligned 00:21:23.440 --> 00:21:24.880 with European principles. 00:21:25.360 --> 00:21:29.800 We need policies that empower city architects, support local innovation 00:21:29.880 --> 00:21:31.600 and elevate public debate. 00:21:32.800 --> 00:21:34.720 We need to involve young people. 00:21:35.200 --> 00:21:39.280 We need to integrate architecture and spatial awareness in education 00:21:40.240 --> 00:21:42.920 from primary school to to universities. 00:21:43.720 --> 00:21:48.440 We need to train the next generation of stewards for our built environment. 00:21:50.280 --> 00:21:54.720 We also need continuous education and capacity building at administrative 00:21:54.800 --> 00:21:59.320 level, so that public servants understand the value of design and can act 00:21:59.400 --> 00:22:01.400 as partners in achieving it. 00:22:03.800 --> 00:22:07.920 And we need to support the professionals, architects, 00:22:08.480 --> 00:22:12.800 planners, landscape architects, engineers with a legal, 00:22:13.280 --> 00:22:19.840 financial and institutional framework that allow them to work for the public good. 00:22:20.560 --> 00:22:22.320 And that's what we fight for. 00:22:23.280 --> 00:22:26.880 Let's bring in new energy New voices, new leadership. 00:22:27.040 --> 00:22:31.200 Let's open competitions, support young professionals and nurture 00:22:31.280 --> 00:22:34.480 a design culture that includes rather than excludes. 00:22:35.000 --> 00:22:37.880 Because architecture is not a technical exercise. 00:22:38.040 --> 00:22:43.000 It is a cultural project, a political act, a human right. 00:22:44.200 --> 00:22:49.560 Dear friends, dear ladies and gentlemen, we are not designing buildings, 00:22:49.640 --> 00:22:51.000 we are designing a future. 00:22:51.480 --> 00:22:55.320 And that means defending architecture as a public good. 00:22:55.800 --> 00:23:01.640 It means engaging with policymakers not as lobbyists, but as visionaries. 00:23:03.000 --> 00:23:08.520 It means leading with courage and with hope as we look ahead. 00:23:08.680 --> 00:23:14.040 Let us Europe is not only a political 00:23:14.520 --> 00:23:18.600 and economical project, it is a cultural project, 00:23:19.720 --> 00:23:23.160 a spatial project, a human project. 00:23:23.960 --> 00:23:26.280 And let us build it together. 00:23:27.480 --> 00:23:28.360 Thank you very much. 00:23:42.760 --> 00:23:43.840 Thank you very much, Ruth. 00:23:43.920 --> 00:23:46.840 It's an opportunity for the rest of the people to move into the room. 00:23:47.080 --> 00:23:51.400 And now let me invite our colleague representing the European 00:23:52.840 --> 00:23:55.960 Council of Spatial Planners, Markus Hadorfer, who is 00:23:56.040 --> 00:23:58.240 the president of the society. 00:23:58.320 --> 00:23:59.520 Marcus, floor is yours. 00:24:01.600 --> 00:24:03.440 Thank you very much for this invitation. 00:24:03.920 --> 00:24:06.240 I'm very grateful for this. 00:24:08.240 --> 00:24:11.680 Despite being the fourth time that I'm speaking here at this cycle 00:24:11.760 --> 00:24:16.720 of international conferences, which are usually on planning, 00:24:16.800 --> 00:24:18.800 spatial planning here in gdask. 00:24:18.960 --> 00:24:25.280 This is the first time that the spatial planners that the ECBCU 00:24:25.360 --> 00:24:31.280 has been invited to speak at this cycle of conferences on architecture policies. 00:24:31.920 --> 00:24:33.760 And I think this is very important. 00:24:33.920 --> 00:24:38.160 And I want to thank the GDANG City administration, 00:24:38.880 --> 00:24:41.760 Pyotr Lawrence, for this invitation and all the staff 00:24:42.160 --> 00:24:45.760 standing aside and behind him for this, because this is. 00:24:45.840 --> 00:24:49.640 I think this is due to our good connections, our good relationships we 00:24:49.720 --> 00:24:52.440 have built over the last few years, four years now. 00:24:53.800 --> 00:24:56.680 And I think that this discussion 00:24:57.160 --> 00:25:01.640 about the architecture policies needs also 00:25:02.600 --> 00:25:06.280 a contribution from the spatial planners. 00:25:06.520 --> 00:25:12.040 And I hope I will be able to explain why and how. 00:25:12.600 --> 00:25:17.960 Anyhow, I must say that the initial speech from Ruth was very interesting, 00:25:18.040 --> 00:25:23.160 very inspiring, and if we were at a simple roundtable, 00:25:23.480 --> 00:25:30.200 would prefer beginning just the dialog and so on. 00:25:30.280 --> 00:25:36.440 But now I have a prepared presentation, so I will follow this presentation. 00:25:40.280 --> 00:25:45.240 Well, in this presentation I will talk about the relationship, 00:25:45.400 --> 00:25:48.280 as I have announced, between spatial planning and architecture 00:25:48.360 --> 00:25:51.560 policies, with three main points, 00:25:51.880 --> 00:25:56.280 Principles, regulation and practice. 00:25:56.520 --> 00:26:00.360 And you see, there are some strange opposite. 00:26:00.520 --> 00:26:03.280 Architecture planning, Planning and architecture and spatial 00:26:03.360 --> 00:26:04.920 planning and architecture policies. 00:26:05.000 --> 00:26:08.360 And now we will go on starting with the principles. 00:26:10.280 --> 00:26:15.640 Please forgive me, I think probably here in the public 00:26:16.120 --> 00:26:18.600 there are many architects who have studied 00:26:19.240 --> 00:26:23.600 very deeply all that, all what is 00:26:23.680 --> 00:26:25.480 involving architecture and so on. 00:26:26.120 --> 00:26:30.040 So please forgive me this extreme simplification here in the diagram, 00:26:30.120 --> 00:26:35.080 but it helps me, it helps me then to come to the next point. 00:26:35.560 --> 00:26:39.240 So let's conceptually start from architecture. 00:26:39.320 --> 00:26:40.400 What is architecture? 00:26:40.480 --> 00:26:44.520 Architecture Deals with buildings and something more, of course. 00:26:44.600 --> 00:26:49.320 So this is why I have put that plus sign after, after buildings. 00:26:50.040 --> 00:26:55.560 This is an iconic building, you probably all know it, it's the Bauhaus. 00:26:58.360 --> 00:27:02.040 Then we have the concept of Baukultur, which is very important. 00:27:02.200 --> 00:27:07.640 It's a concept coming out from the German architectural scene, 00:27:07.720 --> 00:27:13.000 let's say, and it deals with all that, what has to do with the built environment. 00:27:13.320 --> 00:27:16.800 And there is also a plus sign behind the 00:27:16.880 --> 00:27:20.880 word because it' simplified, of course. 00:27:20.960 --> 00:27:27.160 And here we have a very nice picture of a new quarter neighborhood in Vienna, 00:27:27.240 --> 00:27:31.680 the Aspern Seestadt, which is a very interesting thing. 00:27:32.160 --> 00:27:37.360 And then we come to the next stage, which is the architecture policies. 00:27:37.840 --> 00:27:41.840 And of course you all know this picture here because it's on the COVID page 00:27:41.920 --> 00:27:44.320 of the study prepared by the ace. 00:27:44.640 --> 00:27:50.560 And so I just to make things quite simple, I use this one. 00:27:51.160 --> 00:27:55.000 So Architecture policies is something a bit more complicated, 00:27:55.080 --> 00:28:01.040 but I recognize of course it's still quite simplified, but it introduces 00:28:01.120 --> 00:28:02.920 the concept of human oriented. 00:28:03.000 --> 00:28:08.280 So everything that has to do with the humans, with men and women 00:28:08.760 --> 00:28:12.680 and persons and so on, it is sustainable. 00:28:13.640 --> 00:28:18.360 It introduces the concept of beautiful, of beauty, it is participatory. 00:28:20.480 --> 00:28:24.400 Another technique that is applied are the nbs, the nature based solutions. 00:28:25.200 --> 00:28:31.200 And then another thing, it wants to create regulations on how 00:28:31.280 --> 00:28:34.160 to implement at the different levels 00:28:34.240 --> 00:28:38.720 from the European Union to the national level, to the sub national, 00:28:38.800 --> 00:28:42.720 regional and local level, how to implement architecture policies. 00:28:43.200 --> 00:28:49.120 But Ruth has already told it, so it is quite useless to. 00:28:50.640 --> 00:28:56.320 This works together with the concept of the European Green Deal, the EU next 00:28:56.400 --> 00:28:58.560 generation and the new European Power. 00:28:58.720 --> 00:29:05.640 So no need now to explain why and how, but I want also to mention 00:29:05.720 --> 00:29:10.560 the Davos Power Culture Quality System which comes out from all these 00:29:11.280 --> 00:29:16.480 approaches and is in a very close relationship with, 00:29:16.600 --> 00:29:19.160 with the architecture policies. 00:29:19.880 --> 00:29:25.080 So now we have spatial planning. 00:29:25.640 --> 00:29:28.520 What is the relationship of spatial planning to all this? 00:29:29.240 --> 00:29:33.200 Well, we all know that spatial planning stands 00:29:33.280 --> 00:29:37.600 in the close relationship to architecture, of course to bioculture and also 00:29:37.680 --> 00:29:39.880 to architecture policies. But how? 00:29:40.040 --> 00:29:40.920 This is the question. 00:29:41.000 --> 00:29:45.240 So now don't be afraid what you're seeing now because architecture is becoming 00:29:46.000 --> 00:29:47.920 small and spatial planning very big. 00:29:48.240 --> 00:29:53.440 But this is, this is my, my bias. 00:29:55.520 --> 00:29:56.400 So what is special? 00:29:56.720 --> 00:30:00.600 Spatial planning is a, is a, is a complex procedure, is a complex thing. 00:30:01.040 --> 00:30:05.840 So no need now to study this diagram, but I invite you all to read our 00:30:06.240 --> 00:30:10.160 guidelines on professional competences in spatial planning, 00:30:10.240 --> 00:30:13.360 which we have published in, in 2017. 00:30:13.440 --> 00:30:17.240 And everything is very, very well explained just to they just 00:30:17.320 --> 00:30:22.200 recall with their colors the various elements and so on. 00:30:22.280 --> 00:30:27.080 So architecture and spatial planning, what is architecture for? 00:30:27.160 --> 00:30:27.920 Spatial planning. 00:30:28.000 --> 00:30:31.920 So now, of course, architecture is a very important. 00:30:32.960 --> 00:30:37.760 Spatial planning is in a very close relationship, as I already 00:30:37.840 --> 00:30:39.480 have said, to spatial planning. 00:30:39.560 --> 00:30:43.680 But it's not the only field spatial planning is dealing. 00:30:44.160 --> 00:30:47.400 We have many other fields around spatial planning we are dealing with. 00:30:47.480 --> 00:30:51.280 I have already shown this diagram also here in gdask. 00:30:51.760 --> 00:30:54.760 So we have statistics, economics, political sciences, 00:30:54.840 --> 00:30:56.520 social sciences and so on. 00:30:56.600 --> 00:31:02.400 This is not a comprehensive list of fields spatial planning is dealing with, 00:31:02.880 --> 00:31:06.880 but most of them we usually have. 00:31:06.960 --> 00:31:13.600 So this gives you a bit an idea about how spatial planners look at architecture. 00:31:14.640 --> 00:31:20.480 They look at architecture more or less, as they look at all these other fields. 00:31:20.640 --> 00:31:22.280 So this is a bit. 00:31:22.360 --> 00:31:25.760 And all these other fields, of course, are related, 00:31:26.480 --> 00:31:28.480 are in a relationship with this. 00:31:29.440 --> 00:31:33.560 So this means, coming back to spatial planning 00:31:33.640 --> 00:31:37.520 and architecture policies, that we have 00:31:39.920 --> 00:31:42.200 exclusive competencies in both fields 00:31:42.280 --> 00:31:44.720 in planning, in spatial planning and in architecture, 00:31:44.800 --> 00:31:47.520 or in architecture, exclusive competences. 00:31:48.080 --> 00:31:52.720 And then we have a big field, a big area 00:31:52.880 --> 00:31:55.520 of shared competences between the both. 00:31:57.200 --> 00:31:58.640 Between the both fields. 00:31:58.720 --> 00:32:02.480 And of course also with several other fields. 00:32:02.640 --> 00:32:06.960 And this applies of course to both to spatial planning and also to. 00:32:07.640 --> 00:32:10.920 To architecture or architecture policies. 00:32:11.160 --> 00:32:15.480 So this is a conceptual approach to how 00:32:16.200 --> 00:32:18.600 I think spatial planners look at 00:32:19.080 --> 00:32:21.080 architecture and architecture policies. 00:32:21.560 --> 00:32:27.880 And with this I try to explain to architects who maybe 00:32:27.960 --> 00:32:34.080 are not very deep inside these 00:32:34.160 --> 00:32:36.720 reasonings to conceive this. 00:32:37.520 --> 00:32:39.200 Now let's move on to regulation. 00:32:40.480 --> 00:32:44.240 Just an example here, the proposed Italian policy. 00:32:45.280 --> 00:32:46.720 Just a question to the public. 00:32:46.800 --> 00:32:48.720 Is there anybody from Italy here? 00:32:51.280 --> 00:32:55.760 Yes, and from Italy and somebody 00:32:55.840 --> 00:33:00.160 who knows this law proposal. 00:33:02.240 --> 00:33:03.360 Very good, excellent. 00:33:05.080 --> 00:33:08.960 So this is the boring part of this presentation, because when we talk about 00:33:09.040 --> 00:33:14.320 regulations, about law propositions and so on, there's just to say it's. 00:33:14.400 --> 00:33:20.200 This proposal is commonly referred to as the Law on Architectural Quality. 00:33:20.280 --> 00:33:23.320 Then it has a very long official name. 00:33:23.600 --> 00:33:27.520 It has been presented in April of the last year. 00:33:27.600 --> 00:33:30.360 So it's more than a year that it's in the Parliament. 00:33:31.000 --> 00:33:34.520 But the plenary and commission reading has not started yet. 00:33:35.160 --> 00:33:37.720 And so we are all waiting for 00:33:39.400 --> 00:33:42.520 the procedure to come on stage. 00:33:44.520 --> 00:33:47.160 And in addition to this, I must also say that 00:33:49.320 --> 00:33:55.320 in Italy the legislative stages are quite complex because we have two chambers 00:33:55.960 --> 00:33:57.240 with the same roles. 00:33:57.600 --> 00:34:01.840 So it comes to the first chamber and where it is analyzed in the commissions, 00:34:01.920 --> 00:34:04.320 and it goes to the plenary, and sometimes it goes back 00:34:04.400 --> 00:34:07.360 to the commissions, and then once it is approved and it goes 00:34:07.440 --> 00:34:10.360 to the other chamber, and the other chamber does the same thing. 00:34:10.520 --> 00:34:14.800 And if the other chamber approves something else than the first chamber so 00:34:14.880 --> 00:34:17.360 then it goes back to the First Chamber, which has. 00:34:17.440 --> 00:34:19.640 Which has the final word on it. 00:34:20.440 --> 00:34:25.480 Now, this regulation, this proposal has 16 articles. 00:34:25.800 --> 00:34:30.520 Not many articles, to be honest, but they are quite dense. 00:34:32.200 --> 00:34:36.240 And in Article 1, there is an important definition saying 00:34:36.320 --> 00:34:41.960 that attributing to architecture high cultural and social value. 00:34:42.360 --> 00:34:48.600 This also refers to some elements 00:34:48.680 --> 00:34:50.440 in the Italian constitution, and so on. 00:34:50.520 --> 00:34:52.000 And then there are two definitions. 00:34:52.080 --> 00:34:57.760 One about architecture, simply, and we all can agree on this. 00:34:58.080 --> 00:35:00.880 And then there is a new definition, a new term, 00:35:01.280 --> 00:35:03.920 which they call new urban renaissance. 00:35:05.280 --> 00:35:08.840 The question is if it's not a bit too pretentious to call this 00:35:08.920 --> 00:35:10.160 new urban renaissance. 00:35:10.320 --> 00:35:14.240 A new urban renaissance defined by law. 00:35:14.320 --> 00:35:20.840 This is maybe, I think, a renaissance process must be established after it 00:35:20.920 --> 00:35:23.280 happens, not before it's happening. It's a bit. 00:35:23.680 --> 00:35:25.560 But it's a matter of discussion. 00:35:25.640 --> 00:35:28.240 Of course, there are many, many things inside this. 00:35:30.400 --> 00:35:32.480 Some of them are very interesting. 00:35:32.800 --> 00:35:37.760 Some of them are, I think, quite pretentious. 00:35:38.160 --> 00:35:41.360 For example, job creation. 00:35:41.440 --> 00:35:47.040 Job creation is one of the elements of the new urban renaissance defined 00:35:47.440 --> 00:35:49.520 by this law, by this regulation. 00:35:50.560 --> 00:35:53.840 And I see some problems in this, 00:35:54.320 --> 00:35:57.840 but it's a matter of discussion and so on. 00:35:58.000 --> 00:36:03.520 What I see is that there is absolutely no definition of urban or spatial 00:36:03.600 --> 00:36:05.920 planning in this law proposal. 00:36:06.240 --> 00:36:09.760 While on the other side, there are several points in the law 00:36:10.480 --> 00:36:13.000 proposition where town planning is mentioned. 00:36:13.080 --> 00:36:16.800 For example, promotion of architecture and town planning. 00:36:17.600 --> 00:36:20.520 Architecture is defined in Article 2, but town planning isn't 00:36:20.600 --> 00:36:22.000 defined anywhere in the law. 00:36:22.640 --> 00:36:28.120 Then also there is the idea of a plan for architecture, which is a national plan 00:36:28.200 --> 00:36:33.120 for architecture pushed forward by the national government 00:36:33.280 --> 00:36:37.120 to implement the goals, and so on, including town planning, but without 00:36:37.200 --> 00:36:38.960 defining what town planning is. 00:36:39.040 --> 00:36:41.120 Is it just the urban part? 00:36:45.680 --> 00:36:47.760 I didn't want to do. Can I go back? 00:36:48.000 --> 00:36:50.440 I pushed it by chance. Oh, no. 00:36:50.520 --> 00:36:51.520 Okay, let's go. 00:36:53.120 --> 00:36:54.000 Sorry for this. 00:36:57.280 --> 00:36:57.840 Okay. 00:37:00.800 --> 00:37:01.800 No. Okay, so I. 00:37:01.880 --> 00:37:05.400 I don't go through all these 16 articles. If you want, you can. 00:37:05.480 --> 00:37:10.240 You can then look at the presentation or even go on the 00:37:10.720 --> 00:37:12.240 website of the Italian government. 00:37:12.320 --> 00:37:16.120 And so there are several other things. 00:37:16.200 --> 00:37:21.160 The competition, supervision, juries and scoring systems and so on. 00:37:21.320 --> 00:37:24.800 The promotion of education and research in the field of town planning 00:37:24.880 --> 00:37:27.880 and architecture, once again, town planning without defining it. 00:37:28.200 --> 00:37:29.640 So this is an issue. 00:37:29.720 --> 00:37:34.280 I think this is a big problem and I think there are two possibilities 00:37:34.520 --> 00:37:39.480 now, or we define in this law proposal 00:37:40.160 --> 00:37:43.280 more exactly what town planning is in this 00:37:43.360 --> 00:37:45.880 context, what town planning, spatial planning and how it 00:37:45.960 --> 00:37:47.600 relates to architecture, and so on. 00:37:48.720 --> 00:37:54.800 Or we say, no, this regulation should only deal with architecture and 00:37:55.360 --> 00:37:56.920 we cancel the word town planning. 00:37:57.000 --> 00:38:00.160 From it, it's quite different because if we want 00:38:00.240 --> 00:38:04.400 to do the first thing, include town planning in a better way. 00:38:04.960 --> 00:38:11.600 So we would of course have to rethink about the whole structure. 00:38:11.880 --> 00:38:17.560 This law proposal, then another couple of points is 00:38:19.560 --> 00:38:24.200 that some rules are very stringent, for example, about competitions, that 00:38:25.480 --> 00:38:28.920 there are very strict rules and thresholds and so on. 00:38:29.160 --> 00:38:35.160 And if these are not respected, a project is immediately deferred. 00:38:35.560 --> 00:38:41.240 National Anti Corruption Authority, which is quite a strong matter. 00:38:41.480 --> 00:38:48.120 And then of course, the thing I feel a big issue is that 00:38:49.400 --> 00:38:53.200 it is clear that in this proposal town planning is conceived as 00:38:53.280 --> 00:38:54.600 a part of architecture. 00:38:54.680 --> 00:39:00.280 And as I have tried to explain, we, the town planners with the spatial 00:39:00.360 --> 00:39:04.600 planners, we don't agree with this vision. 00:39:06.440 --> 00:39:12.120 So now another. Another question. 00:39:12.360 --> 00:39:14.440 Evolution over time of practice. 00:39:15.480 --> 00:39:17.400 I don't enter in the. 00:39:17.560 --> 00:39:22.920 I have already, two or three years ago, I have shown these pieces, 00:39:23.240 --> 00:39:25.720 these pictures here in Gdaska. 00:39:25.800 --> 00:39:28.920 This is an idea, a conceptualization. 00:39:29.240 --> 00:39:35.400 Conceptualization, Conceptualization about the evolution over time of planning from. 00:39:36.000 --> 00:39:42.320 From urban planning to regional planning and then urban 00:39:42.400 --> 00:39:48.560 regional planning, including participatory processes and so on. 00:39:50.560 --> 00:39:55.920 And at the end we come to another point, and this is a very crucial point. 00:40:00.080 --> 00:40:04.080 Two years ago I participated in one of these European project workshops 00:40:05.840 --> 00:40:06.480 on nature. 00:40:07.440 --> 00:40:10.480 And I was the only spatial planner in this workshop. 00:40:10.560 --> 00:40:16.240 Many ecologists, many people dealing with forestry and so on. 00:40:18.880 --> 00:40:22.720 And there I learned that we have to 00:40:23.760 --> 00:40:26.000 change our minds on this and on how 00:40:26.080 --> 00:40:30.240 to deal with nature, not just in terms of nature based 00:40:30.320 --> 00:40:33.920 solutions, but in a completely different way. 00:40:34.720 --> 00:40:41.520 So until now, planning for humans was key, was crucial, 00:40:42.240 --> 00:40:44.320 taking into account the needs of nature. 00:40:44.480 --> 00:40:50.160 So this was the conceptual approach, and this is also the conceptual approach, 00:40:50.240 --> 00:40:52.880 I think, in the architecture policies. 00:40:53.040 --> 00:40:57.840 So the human being is at the center of the attention. 00:40:58.480 --> 00:41:00.600 But now things have to change somehow. 00:41:00.680 --> 00:41:04.200 And I have learned this in that Leipzig workshop two years ago. 00:41:04.280 --> 00:41:07.520 It was a three day, very well organized workshop, 00:41:08.400 --> 00:41:12.640 planning for nature, taking into account the needs of humans. 00:41:12.720 --> 00:41:18.560 So performing a kind of Copernican revolution in spatial planning. 00:41:18.720 --> 00:41:19.440 So putting. 00:41:19.520 --> 00:41:25.760 Putting humans out of the center of attention of spatial planning. 00:41:26.080 --> 00:41:28.240 So this is a very important thing. 00:41:30.720 --> 00:41:32.920 Now this is, I think, the last. 00:41:33.560 --> 00:41:35.960 Is it the last? The last slide? 00:41:36.360 --> 00:41:37.960 Now another example. 00:41:39.720 --> 00:41:42.440 I am very committed to rebuilding Ukraine. 00:41:43.880 --> 00:41:46.120 I have participated in many discussions. 00:41:46.200 --> 00:41:50.640 I am participating in the Rebuilding Ukraine focus group 00:41:50.720 --> 00:41:52.440 of the Davos Paucultur Alliance. 00:41:55.080 --> 00:41:59.960 And in all these situations, in all these discussions, 00:42:00.120 --> 00:42:04.520 we always stress the importance of spatial planning and the process of rebuilding, 00:42:04.600 --> 00:42:08.600 and not just the reconstruction of what has been damaged and so on, 00:42:08.960 --> 00:42:15.480 but a more comprehensive approach and I think slowly we are getting into it. 00:42:15.560 --> 00:42:15.920 And. 00:42:17.600 --> 00:42:23.920 Well, Ruth has said that architecture is a process and not another project. 00:42:24.120 --> 00:42:28.200 So this destabilizes me 00:42:28.880 --> 00:42:32.920 a bit because I always said that the big difference between architecture 00:42:33.240 --> 00:42:37.080 and planning is that quality in architecture is referred to the object, 00:42:37.320 --> 00:42:41.000 more to the object, while quality in planning is referred to the process. 00:42:41.560 --> 00:42:43.400 Well, I still think that. 00:42:43.480 --> 00:42:49.680 But of course I recognize that it's not only a black and white, but there 00:42:49.760 --> 00:42:57.320 are many, many, many intermediate things. So. 00:42:57.960 --> 00:43:00.160 But anyhow, here is a. 00:43:01.200 --> 00:43:03.200 I have taken this from a project 00:43:06.160 --> 00:43:11.200 created by a German Swiss planning firm, 00:43:11.280 --> 00:43:14.960 Drees and Sommer, with Harris Piplas, 00:43:15.040 --> 00:43:20.480 Michael Beckt and Lidia Chizhevska, some of you maybe know these names. 00:43:20.560 --> 00:43:23.200 They are contributing actively 00:43:23.280 --> 00:43:26.800 to the Davos Bakultur alliance, to the rebuilding Ukraine. 00:43:27.360 --> 00:43:33.720 And here the process is really at the center of everything through 00:43:35.160 --> 00:43:40.880 preparatory and research work, scenario building and actions, planning and. 00:43:40.960 --> 00:43:42.600 And then the. The physical. 00:43:42.680 --> 00:43:44.000 The physical implementation. 00:43:44.080 --> 00:43:47.360 And this process of course continues. It's. 00:43:48.960 --> 00:43:49.840 Well, here it. 00:43:49.920 --> 00:43:55.160 It is difficult to represent, but it should also be 00:43:55.240 --> 00:43:56.880 conceived a bit as a circle. 00:43:56.960 --> 00:44:01.960 So at the end there is not a stop, a final point of the process. 00:44:02.200 --> 00:44:08.120 But the process then goes to the end, to the beginning once again and restarts. 00:44:09.320 --> 00:44:12.760 So I didn't. 00:44:13.320 --> 00:44:14.720 Yes, okay, I'm there. 00:44:14.800 --> 00:44:16.120 I didn't look at the time. 00:44:18.680 --> 00:44:19.920 Yes, that's all. 00:44:20.000 --> 00:44:22.040 So I hope you enjoyed it a bit. 00:44:26.760 --> 00:44:27.640 Thank you very much. 00:44:27.800 --> 00:44:30.760 Ladies and gentlemen, the third introductory presentation 00:44:31.320 --> 00:44:37.160 is going to be delivered by Mr. Head of the national 00:44:39.480 --> 00:44:44.800 major Polish institution actually dealing with the issues concerning architecture. 00:44:44.880 --> 00:44:45.400 If my. 00:44:45.960 --> 00:44:49.320 I ask professor to take the floor now. 00:44:56.840 --> 00:45:02.440 Guests of this outstanding colleagues, friends. 00:45:10.360 --> 00:45:15.760 Pretty challenging issue that is Polish architectural policy that is non existent. 00:45:15.920 --> 00:45:17.720 It is difficult to discuss something 00:45:17.800 --> 00:45:28.320 that doesn't exist ever since 1980s. 00:45:30.480 --> 00:45:31.520 Certain thoughts. 00:45:33.280 --> 00:45:36.800 I had an honor to be a colleague to Andrzej 00:45:37.360 --> 00:45:39.680 for many years was 00:45:43.560 --> 00:45:47.000 I inherited his catching board 00:45:47.080 --> 00:45:49.720 in the company that we both worked at. 00:45:50.280 --> 00:45:54.280 I had the privilege of paying frequent visits to Gdansk. 00:45:55.320 --> 00:45:58.840 Dansk shows that it is possible 00:46:01.880 --> 00:46:05.000 local urban policy. 00:46:05.160 --> 00:46:12.280 Even if it is not, it's not written down. 00:46:13.880 --> 00:46:18.960 The nightmare of the city Herv Gansk, Mr. Pavel Adamovich and a group 00:46:19.040 --> 00:46:23.320 of outstanding urban planners and architects that we've always 00:46:23.960 --> 00:46:26.040 enjoyed a great relationship with 00:46:27.800 --> 00:46:31.000 can actually implement this policy. 00:46:31.720 --> 00:46:37.440 It's words of gratitude that we hear recurring. 00:46:39.440 --> 00:46:45.280 The development of Gdansk and the evolution of the city ever since 1980s 00:46:45.680 --> 00:46:51.120 proves that this policy can be implemented, carried out even 00:46:52.640 --> 00:46:59.120 it is not set in any kind of documents, resolutions or acts. 00:47:00.160 --> 00:47:03.840 Certainly there is a need to have Polish architectural parts 00:47:03.920 --> 00:47:06.240 Architecture is the art of transforming. 00:47:07.720 --> 00:47:13.240 Always adds that this is the art of transforming the space to sustain life. 00:47:15.560 --> 00:47:19.720 In the past it appeared to be of little 00:47:19.800 --> 00:47:28.440 significance, but today, to sustain life. 00:47:31.400 --> 00:47:36.280 Many meanings, new dimensions that some 20 00:47:36.360 --> 00:47:38.840 or 30 years ago we were not aware of it. 00:47:41.520 --> 00:47:47.280 Architecture is the image of the degree of advancement of the world 00:47:47.360 --> 00:47:48.720 and the culture of building. 00:47:48.800 --> 00:47:52.200 Poland, apart from the other European countries, 00:47:52.280 --> 00:47:56.640 or next to those countries assigned the Davos Declaration, 00:47:58.000 --> 00:48:00.960 which points at the exceptional role of the culture of building 00:48:06.480 --> 00:48:11.280 itself to run a responsible sustainable architectural policy 00:48:12.480 --> 00:48:15.920 that committed by Article 5 of our Constitutions to just this 00:48:18.560 --> 00:48:22.240 backdrop of the other countries of Western Europe, but also Baltic states, 00:48:25.520 --> 00:48:29.280 however, does not have national architectural policy. 00:48:30.160 --> 00:48:34.640 The profession is not regulated and there is treason. 00:48:34.960 --> 00:48:41.280 Spatial chaos stemming from poor quality of law and poor implementation thereof. 00:48:41.920 --> 00:48:47.120 Or as some prefer to put it, law not being executed. 00:48:47.680 --> 00:48:51.960 Urban planners and architects for decades have alarmed about high social 00:48:52.040 --> 00:48:54.960 and economic costs of this situation. 00:48:55.920 --> 00:48:57.280 It is a catastrophe. 00:48:58.720 --> 00:49:03.960 The glance keyboard urban sprawl. 00:49:06.920 --> 00:49:11.840 It is enough to mention Report of the Polish Academy 00:49:11.920 --> 00:49:14.360 of Sciences study on spatial chaos. 00:49:15.480 --> 00:49:17.160 The additions from 2013. 00:49:21.960 --> 00:49:24.120 There are certainly legislative gaps. 00:49:24.200 --> 00:49:28.600 There is no architecture, there's no legal framing. 00:49:31.560 --> 00:49:37.720 Ongoing declaration of the profession and it gets ever more impoverished. 00:49:37.800 --> 00:49:42.600 We all know what issues that brings. 00:49:47.240 --> 00:49:51.720 The category of quality is not the determining criterion 00:49:51.800 --> 00:49:53.160 in public procurement. 00:49:57.720 --> 00:49:58.960 Architects are in planners. 00:49:59.040 --> 00:50:04.320 For years they have the so called free profession 00:50:05.200 --> 00:50:07.360 rather than public trust profession. 00:50:11.440 --> 00:50:17.760 Lawyers administration actually got stuck on the construction division. 00:50:18.000 --> 00:50:23.640 This is a hard legacy of communist Poland, in which architecture was 00:50:23.720 --> 00:50:26.720 just one of the sub domains. 00:50:33.440 --> 00:50:39.840 It was about to generate as many chambers to be inhabited by people. 00:50:41.520 --> 00:50:47.120 Factories, prefabricating buildings. 00:50:49.040 --> 00:50:53.920 Introduces silver bullet to produce houses. 00:50:54.800 --> 00:50:55.920 1945. 00:50:58.720 --> 00:50:59.840 Not much has changed. 00:50:59.920 --> 00:51:03.840 When we liberated ourselves from the Soviet Union in 1989. 00:51:04.160 --> 00:51:09.600 The culture division in 2018 we still talked about the act 00:51:12.320 --> 00:51:15.040 on the branches of public administration. 00:51:15.200 --> 00:51:18.640 It was possible to negotiate with the tegafras back then. 00:51:19.280 --> 00:51:23.440 The provisions about the esthetics of space, although architects know 00:51:23.920 --> 00:51:28.960 these were the voices of the New Year at the meetings of the association, 00:51:29.040 --> 00:51:35.920 that these are just minor activities 00:51:37.920 --> 00:51:39.920 dressing up the wound rather than healing. 00:51:40.240 --> 00:51:43.200 This is certainly not an expression of wise architectural policy. 00:51:43.280 --> 00:51:48.840 Governments in Poland do not resolve in France or Finland issues 00:51:49.400 --> 00:51:54.520 on urban planning architecture because they do not treat this as a humanist 00:51:54.600 --> 00:51:59.160 approach to enhancing the quality of space, rather treat it as 00:51:59.240 --> 00:52:00.600 construction related issues. 00:52:01.080 --> 00:52:04.280 There is no Polish architectural policy adopted by the government. 00:52:04.360 --> 00:52:09.040 So there is no act about the profession and about the domain 00:52:09.120 --> 00:52:16.960 of architecture, which is actually law. 00:52:20.000 --> 00:52:22.480 The bill on architecture has been frozen. 00:52:22.560 --> 00:52:27.520 It was frozen in 2018 before it was passed by the government and it has stuck 00:52:30.240 --> 00:52:30.960 ever since. 00:52:35.920 --> 00:52:37.760 Being carried out by the publisher 00:52:43.720 --> 00:52:45.240 recently chaired by 00:52:47.720 --> 00:52:52.680 who is with us here today and who is going to moderate our discussion. 00:52:53.560 --> 00:52:58.520 I believe that will have a chance to tell 00:52:58.600 --> 00:53:00.920 us more about this aspect of policy. 00:53:02.680 --> 00:53:08.200 Now we have the fifth edition of this Polish architectural policy. 00:53:08.600 --> 00:53:11.400 But this is a non governmental initiative. 00:53:12.360 --> 00:53:15.080 The initiative of the media of Polish Architecture 00:53:20.200 --> 00:53:23.320 Institute of Architecture and the Polish Chamber of Architecture. 00:53:28.680 --> 00:53:34.600 Possible pieces, necessary pieces that should find their way. 00:53:41.800 --> 00:53:43.800 When the Minister of Culture and National Legacy 00:53:44.760 --> 00:53:48.600 established a new institution of culture in 2017 the National Architecture 00:53:48.680 --> 00:53:51.720 and Urban Planning Institute Things would change. 00:53:51.800 --> 00:53:55.400 I have the honor to represent this very institution. 00:53:58.040 --> 00:54:03.480 Had this institution to be established for decades. 00:54:04.520 --> 00:54:09.520 It preserves the legacy the outstanding 00:54:10.800 --> 00:54:17.280 works we are catching up trying to make. 00:54:36.480 --> 00:54:40.160 The communist Polish Workers Party believed 00:54:40.240 --> 00:54:45.720 that the issue is the number of rooms 00:54:45.800 --> 00:54:49.960 that were to be built as prefabricated. 00:54:50.040 --> 00:54:54.240 They did not even consider architecture to be part of humanities. 00:54:54.400 --> 00:54:58.520 And it is wonderful that there is an institute with this agenda. 00:54:58.600 --> 00:55:00.600 But a very small budget and. 00:55:00.680 --> 00:55:05.640 And this is but a fraction of what we actually need to see any change 00:55:06.360 --> 00:55:09.240 going on the status of the institute. 00:55:10.440 --> 00:55:12.840 There are no legislative issues which actually 00:55:13.480 --> 00:55:15.480 limits the scope of our competences. 00:55:16.520 --> 00:55:19.600 We cannot propose any legislative initiatives. 00:55:19.680 --> 00:55:23.000 We cannot issue opinions on legislative acts prepared 00:55:27.440 --> 00:55:33.360 made by new governments concerning spatial planning and construction law. 00:55:34.800 --> 00:55:36.880 But appears obvious 00:55:39.120 --> 00:55:41.920 capacity to change anything. 00:55:43.920 --> 00:55:46.960 There are exception exceptions everywhere. 00:55:47.040 --> 00:55:48.160 But no common sense. 00:55:48.240 --> 00:55:49.520 Unlike in Anglo Saxon. 00:55:56.000 --> 00:56:02.960 The instinct, the survival instinct in the red reality seem to be in the foreground. 00:56:05.120 --> 00:56:07.600 Is taken as law to actually develop 00:56:18.640 --> 00:56:21.360 limited public awareness. 00:56:26.240 --> 00:56:31.520 Political elites neglect this area of human activity. 00:56:39.040 --> 00:56:41.600 Preserving the rules of competitiveness 00:56:46.120 --> 00:56:46.680 organized. 00:56:47.320 --> 00:56:49.480 I've heard about the category of quality. 00:56:50.840 --> 00:56:54.440 Speakers also mentioned quality as the main competitive factor. 00:56:54.520 --> 00:57:01.000 But actually such competitions constitute less than 1% 00:57:01.080 --> 00:57:02.680 of all the proceedings within 00:57:07.960 --> 00:57:09.480 actions of institute. And 00:57:17.840 --> 00:57:20.240 we wanted the competitions to be organized 00:57:20.320 --> 00:57:25.920 as procedures obligatory in preceding public procurement. 00:57:27.120 --> 00:57:33.880 But as mentioned, 99% of the entities actually neglect the law. 00:57:33.960 --> 00:57:38.320 For example, dividing procedures into smaller ones. 00:57:39.120 --> 00:57:42.840 They change it into design and build procedure which is now a favorite 00:57:42.920 --> 00:57:47.520 procedure used by all the investors Public buildings 00:57:48.560 --> 00:57:50.000 they say in the mountainous area. 00:57:50.080 --> 00:57:55.120 The quality of space is not something that is generally highly regarded. 00:57:55.760 --> 00:58:00.160 We want to change this catastrophe into a success. 00:58:00.240 --> 00:58:04.000 And I believe that our meeting devoted to European architectural policies 00:58:04.080 --> 00:58:08.920 policies is a very good platform towards changing the situation for the better. 00:58:09.000 --> 00:58:12.080 We should discuss it as often and as loud as possible. 00:58:13.760 --> 00:58:17.200 In order to educate the society and political elites. 00:58:18.640 --> 00:58:23.280 We need to bring together all the forces towards changing the status quo. 00:58:24.320 --> 00:58:28.560 Outstanding points of Polish contemporary architecture. 00:58:29.280 --> 00:58:32.640 While creating against the reality of today, 00:58:32.800 --> 00:58:37.440 it seems that the area of technology, of building and the quality of outstanding 00:58:37.520 --> 00:58:42.480 space within European categories, 00:58:43.360 --> 00:58:46.080 there are numerous examples of such works. 00:58:46.160 --> 00:58:50.880 Gdansk stands out as a city, 00:58:50.960 --> 00:58:54.080 rich and abundant in such outstanding 00:58:54.160 --> 00:59:00.800 examples of architecture, quality of city spaces and landscape, 00:59:01.120 --> 00:59:05.200 of this quality that you experience passing Poland makes 00:59:05.280 --> 00:59:09.080 us the ugliest European state with the most dysfunctional space 00:59:09.160 --> 00:59:10.720 of cities, towns and villages. 00:59:12.320 --> 00:59:13.720 Let us try to change that together. 00:59:13.800 --> 00:59:26.840 Thank you very much, ladies and gentlemen. 00:59:26.920 --> 00:59:30.480 Thank you very much for the introductory speeches. 00:59:30.560 --> 00:59:35.360 And now, without further ado, we are moving on to the first plenary session, 00:59:35.440 --> 00:59:39.640 which will be chaired by the Chair 00:59:39.720 --> 00:59:43.680 of the Polish Chamber of Architecture. 00:59:43.760 --> 00:59:44.880 The floor is yours. 00:59:44.960 --> 00:59:47.280 Ladies and gentlemen, colleagues and friends, 00:59:48.640 --> 00:59:52.680 welcome to our first plenary session of the day. 00:59:52.760 --> 00:59:59.360 It's my great honor to guide this important conversation under the title 00:59:59.680 --> 01:00:04.320 Architectural Policy in the context of national specifics. 01:00:05.760 --> 01:00:09.840 In the face of globalization, standardized investments, 01:00:09.920 --> 01:00:14.320 climate adaptation requirements and digital replication, 01:00:14.880 --> 01:00:18.240 we return to a fundamental question. 01:00:19.760 --> 01:00:23.600 What makes our architecture ours? 01:00:25.360 --> 01:00:31.360 As the built environment becomes increasingly uniform across continents, 01:00:32.160 --> 01:00:37.200 the role of national identity, memory and culture has never 01:00:37.920 --> 01:00:42.480 been more urgent, not as nostalgia, 01:00:42.560 --> 01:00:45.040 but as an anchor of meaning. 01:00:45.920 --> 01:00:50.960 Today we ask, can architecture still reflect national 01:00:51.760 --> 01:00:54.640 character in the 21st century? 01:00:56.240 --> 01:01:01.600 How can policy support this reflection without falling into 01:01:01.680 --> 01:01:04.160 formalism or exclusion? 01:01:05.280 --> 01:01:11.120 Can cultural distinctiveness coexist with innovation, 01:01:11.840 --> 01:01:15.040 sustainability and global relevance? 01:01:16.960 --> 01:01:18.480 Architectural policies. 01:01:18.720 --> 01:01:23.120 One of the few instruments capable of addressing 01:01:24.400 --> 01:01:27.120 these questions across scales, 01:01:27.840 --> 01:01:32.240 from national law to municipal planning, 01:01:32.320 --> 01:01:35.720 from public awareness to building procurement, 01:01:37.600 --> 01:01:42.720 today's session brings together experts who not only study these questions, 01:01:42.800 --> 01:01:49.280 but implement and negotiate them daily across ministries, municipalities, 01:01:49.720 --> 01:01:53.920 design offices and cultural institutions. 01:01:56.320 --> 01:02:00.560 We are privileged to begin with three keynote presentations 01:02:01.240 --> 01:02:06.200 that will offer a broad, yet grounded view of architectural policy today. 01:02:07.640 --> 01:02:14.360 Let me briefly introduce our first distinguished speaker, 01:02:15.480 --> 01:02:20.760 Joao Bento from Portugal, researcher at the National Laboratory 01:02:21.160 --> 01:02:27.720 for Civil Engineering and co author of the European Review of Architectural Policies. 01:02:34.880 --> 01:02:39.600 He will share findings from the Urban Maestro and ACE studies 01:02:39.680 --> 01:02:45.200 highlighting common pattern gaps and opportunities across national policies. 01:02:48.560 --> 01:02:53.560 The second speaker will be Elizabeth Belpierre, 01:02:53.640 --> 01:02:57.680 president of International Society of City and Regional Planners. 01:02:58.240 --> 01:03:03.520 Issacarp, an experienced urban planner working between Belgium and France, 01:03:03.600 --> 01:03:08.240 will offer insight into how special planning can be integrated 01:03:08.320 --> 01:03:12.240 with the architectural policy, particularly in the relation 01:03:12.720 --> 01:03:15.120 to health, equality and resilience. 01:03:16.000 --> 01:03:18.000 And finally, Stepan Meyer 01:03:18.080 --> 01:03:20.600 from the German Federal Ministry for Housing, 01:03:20.680 --> 01:03:26.120 Urban Development and Building will present how the German Baukultur approach 01:03:27.320 --> 01:03:31.000 embeds architectural quality as a part of state policy, 01:03:31.800 --> 01:03:37.000 placing the built environment at the heart of the common good. 01:03:38.120 --> 01:03:42.600 Following their remarks, we will invite five leading figures 01:03:42.680 --> 01:03:47.960 to share their experiences and reflection in the panel discussion to bring together 01:03:48.120 --> 01:03:51.240 architectural thought, public administration, 01:03:52.280 --> 01:03:55.640 curatorial practice and regional planning. 01:03:57.240 --> 01:04:02.280 This session invites all of us, not only professional, but policymakers, 01:04:02.360 --> 01:04:07.880 educators and citizens, to think of architecture as a cultural 01:04:07.960 --> 01:04:12.200 and political act capable of addressing 01:04:12.280 --> 01:04:15.880 who we are and where we come from. 01:04:17.320 --> 01:04:21.080 Let us now begin. Joo, the floor is yours. 01:04:23.720 --> 01:04:24.600 Well, good morning. 01:04:25.400 --> 01:04:29.960 I'd like to start by thanking the kind invitation to be here this 01:04:30.040 --> 01:04:34.280 morning to present some of my research findings on architectural 01:04:34.360 --> 01:04:35.320 policies in Europe. 01:04:36.760 --> 01:04:40.680 My presentation will be based on a recent publication 01:04:41.320 --> 01:04:45.320 that was published last year that provides a panorama of the actors, 01:04:45.760 --> 01:04:49.360 policies and tools promoting high quality and architecture 01:04:49.440 --> 01:04:51.200 and Baukultur across Europe. 01:04:52.480 --> 01:04:55.360 This study was commissioned by Architectural Council of Europe 01:04:55.760 --> 01:04:59.360 and has the finance of the Creative Europe program. 01:04:59.840 --> 01:05:00.640 Thank you for that. 01:05:01.600 --> 01:05:07.280 Recently, ACE decided to promote a second edition of the publication, 01:05:07.840 --> 01:05:11.440 so there was an opportunity to update some of the data and information, 01:05:12.240 --> 01:05:17.560 including some recent changes in the Member states up to 2025. 01:05:18.840 --> 01:05:21.160 So I've prepared a short presentation of the findings. 01:05:21.240 --> 01:05:22.840 I will not go into many details. 01:05:23.000 --> 01:05:27.080 You can read all about this on the free PDF available to download 01:05:27.160 --> 01:05:28.840 on the ICE website. 01:05:29.720 --> 01:05:33.880 As an overview, the study is divided in eight chapters 01:05:34.120 --> 01:05:36.840 which I will use to structure my presentation. 01:05:37.640 --> 01:05:42.200 So to set the scene, the first part, the first chapter introduce the research 01:05:42.280 --> 01:05:45.000 aims and scopes of the research. 01:05:46.040 --> 01:05:48.440 I would not have time to go into many details. 01:05:48.520 --> 01:05:54.560 I would just highlight that at European scale as normal, the names of the policies 01:05:54.640 --> 01:05:58.760 vary depending on the specific context where they were developed, 01:05:59.080 --> 01:06:03.080 using different keywords such as architecture, placemaking, 01:06:03.160 --> 01:06:05.400 design, environment or bioculture. 01:06:06.920 --> 01:06:11.240 But all of them has the same focus, the quality of the built environment. 01:06:12.480 --> 01:06:16.480 So jumping on to the second chapter, it provides an overview of the European 01:06:16.560 --> 01:06:19.840 architectural policy, covering the EU policy documents, 01:06:19.920 --> 01:06:24.400 the European Commission initiatives and the pan European bioculture process 01:06:24.480 --> 01:06:30.480 that is ongoing and some of the policy networks that are being promoted. 01:06:31.920 --> 01:06:37.600 Just to say that a European policy emerged with the Ms. Vanderhoe awards 01:06:38.040 --> 01:06:40.680 and the EU Council resolution around 2000. 01:06:41.400 --> 01:06:45.400 All of these were recently reinforced with the Bao Kaltu process 01:06:45.800 --> 01:06:49.640 and the European Commission new European Bauhaus Initiative. 01:06:50.680 --> 01:06:55.000 Both of these are focused on promoting high quality architecture and built 01:06:55.080 --> 01:06:56.360 environment across Europe. 01:06:57.480 --> 01:07:00.680 So the third chapter describes the research approach and methodology. 01:07:01.080 --> 01:07:03.080 So I will just jump this chapter. 01:07:04.200 --> 01:07:07.840 The fourth chapter looks at institutional actors responsible 01:07:07.920 --> 01:07:09.240 for the architectural policy. 01:07:09.800 --> 01:07:14.480 Within this scope, the study mapped also other relevant actors that are 01:07:14.560 --> 01:07:17.960 involved in the policy implementation on the Member States. 01:07:18.520 --> 01:07:22.280 The first sections identify the governmental departments that are 01:07:22.360 --> 01:07:25.160 responsible for each government policy and architecture. 01:07:25.400 --> 01:07:27.800 It is possible to observe that the majorities 01:07:28.280 --> 01:07:31.800 are within the remit of the Ministry of Culture or within the Ministry 01:07:31.880 --> 01:07:33.400 of Environment or Urban Development. 01:07:35.240 --> 01:07:38.600 It's interesting to notice that several countries have set up the position 01:07:38.680 --> 01:07:42.200 of State architect or Chief Government architect to provide 01:07:42.600 --> 01:07:47.120 design leadership and strategic advice to government to improve public buildings 01:07:47.200 --> 01:07:49.160 and foster a place making culture. 01:07:49.480 --> 01:07:52.120 So this was a situation back in 2023. 01:07:52.680 --> 01:07:54.760 Recently there were some changes. 01:07:55.320 --> 01:08:00.520 Estonia appointed its first ever state architect last April, making a key 01:08:00.600 --> 01:08:03.000 milestone in its architectural governance. 01:08:03.640 --> 01:08:04.640 Also some changes. 01:08:04.720 --> 01:08:08.840 Sienna o' Connor has just retired and we have a new Irish State architect. 01:08:10.520 --> 01:08:13.160 Brenegard also left office. So this is normal. 01:08:13.560 --> 01:08:15.000 Things are moving on. 01:08:16.120 --> 01:08:20.440 One of the main outputs of the policies has been actually the establishment 01:08:20.600 --> 01:08:22.680 of dedicated cultural institutions. 01:08:23.320 --> 01:08:27.640 Since the 90s, a growing number of new architectural institutions have been 01:08:27.720 --> 01:08:31.120 established all over Europe, disseminating the cultural value 01:08:31.200 --> 01:08:33.320 of architecture to wider audiences. 01:08:33.800 --> 01:08:37.680 There is also of course, a wide range of other actors as non profit 01:08:37.760 --> 01:08:41.960 associations or civil movements with an active role in design governance 01:08:42.040 --> 01:08:47.720 processes, promoting and campaigning for design quality nationally and locally. 01:08:48.920 --> 01:08:54.000 Finally, the chapter also includes inter parliamental committees or platforms or 01:08:54.080 --> 01:08:58.520 councils on architectural quality established to improve cross sectional 01:08:58.600 --> 01:09:02.040 coordination and cooperation between the different administrative 01:09:02.760 --> 01:09:04.040 sectors across the government. 01:09:04.760 --> 01:09:09.320 Also conducting policy monitoring, sharing knowledge and improving 01:09:09.400 --> 01:09:11.480 the communication between sectors. 01:09:11.960 --> 01:09:15.400 So, passing on to chapter five, I have to be quite brief. 01:09:16.760 --> 01:09:21.000 The second goal of the survey was to identify the existence of policy 01:09:21.080 --> 01:09:26.400 documents on architecture that could be adopted in the form of a law, a memorandum 01:09:26.480 --> 01:09:29.640 or a strategy in terms of policy. 01:09:30.200 --> 01:09:33.240 So this was the European landscape in 2023. 01:09:33.880 --> 01:09:37.560 So when the first edition of the publication was published, 01:09:38.120 --> 01:09:42.680 we can see that already with a good coverage, several regional governments 01:09:42.760 --> 01:09:45.640 also started to adopt architectural policies. 01:09:45.720 --> 01:09:50.040 As for example Campania in Italy or Catalonia in Spain. 01:09:50.840 --> 01:09:57.160 This is the updated map we can see if you just go back and then 01:09:57.240 --> 01:10:02.760 forward then now we have Germany that also has adopted its first ever 01:10:03.320 --> 01:10:06.520 federal guidelines for Baukultur. 01:10:06.840 --> 01:10:11.720 Setting a federal framework to promote cultural values in the built environment. 01:10:12.040 --> 01:10:18.360 So Stefan will present us that shortly, so it will be good to know about that work. 01:10:19.240 --> 01:10:21.720 It is possible to observe that in the following years, 01:10:21.800 --> 01:10:26.520 almost all European Union will be covered with this type of policies outlining 01:10:26.600 --> 01:10:30.040 the government aspirations on architecture and built environment design. 01:10:30.760 --> 01:10:34.920 However, after analyzing the different policy documents, it was identified 01:10:35.080 --> 01:10:36.920 three main types of approaches. 01:10:37.160 --> 01:10:41.400 We have legislation, comprehensive or strategic policy 01:10:41.480 --> 01:10:44.200 documents and a sectoral policy approach. 01:10:45.000 --> 01:10:48.200 If you look at the geographic distribution of these different types, 01:10:48.360 --> 01:10:51.640 of course this typology can have other type of classification. 01:10:52.840 --> 01:10:58.040 This was the European map in 23 and now the updated map where 01:10:58.120 --> 01:10:59.320 Germany joined the group. 01:10:59.400 --> 01:11:03.320 And it is possible to Observe that a comprehensive strategic policy 01:11:03.400 --> 01:11:07.480 approach, type 2 has been adopted by the majority of the member states. 01:11:08.920 --> 01:11:13.520 In terms of the policy budget, the study also included this question. 01:11:13.920 --> 01:11:18.560 Only nine countries have mentioned to have an associated annual budget 01:11:18.640 --> 01:11:19.760 for its implementation. 01:11:20.240 --> 01:11:23.920 France, of course here has a much higher budget compared with the other countries. 01:11:24.240 --> 01:11:28.400 But this figure includes also the restoration, architectural heritage 01:11:28.480 --> 01:11:34.160 and architectural promotion, so it was not broken in different fields. 01:11:34.480 --> 01:11:36.960 So, looking at the progression of the architectural policies, 01:11:37.120 --> 01:11:41.800 it is possible to confirm the growing tendency of the number of administrations 01:11:41.880 --> 01:11:43.200 with this type of policies. 01:11:44.760 --> 01:11:47.880 Now also Germany as the most recent interest, 01:11:48.720 --> 01:11:53.520 but also other countries that have renewed its policies, such as Denmark recently or 01:11:53.600 --> 01:11:56.720 Czech Republic or Ireland in 22 and Finland. 01:11:57.120 --> 01:12:01.280 They are making an effort to renew and give a new impetus to their policies 01:12:01.520 --> 01:12:05.200 that sometimes have 10 years or 7 years old. 01:12:06.000 --> 01:12:10.000 So despite local administrations are not being part of this research scope, 01:12:10.160 --> 01:12:14.480 it's important and it's worth mentioning that an increasing number of European 01:12:14.560 --> 01:12:19.040 cities have adopted municipal architectural policies with a higher 01:12:19.120 --> 01:12:20.560 prevalence in the Nordic countries. 01:12:21.120 --> 01:12:26.160 There are almost 100 cities already with a municipal architectural policy. 01:12:26.640 --> 01:12:30.000 Of course some of them are more specific, other are more strategic, 01:12:30.080 --> 01:12:34.600 but this could be be something that could not be left apart. 01:12:35.080 --> 01:12:39.960 So finally, chapter six focus on the last part of the survey that was dedicated 01:12:40.040 --> 01:12:44.600 to instruments and specific initiatives that could be in delivering the European 01:12:44.680 --> 01:12:50.200 policy objectives, such as improving knowledge awareness or 01:12:50.280 --> 01:12:53.400 fostering a culture of best practice or promoting education. 01:12:54.120 --> 01:12:57.000 Unfortunately, the replies were quite empty. 01:12:57.560 --> 01:12:58.920 The survey was quite brief. 01:12:59.440 --> 01:13:03.720 So I have organizing the answers using the Urban Maestro 01:13:03.800 --> 01:13:06.720 typology of urban design governance tools. 01:13:07.680 --> 01:13:13.200 The aim was to showcase the wide range of possible tools of intervention. 01:13:13.840 --> 01:13:16.360 So it complements and deliver the policy aims. 01:13:16.440 --> 01:13:21.120 I don't have time here to review the typology and all of the instruments, 01:13:21.600 --> 01:13:25.560 so I would just say that it distinguish tools by whether they are formal 01:13:26.040 --> 01:13:27.400 or informal in nature. 01:13:27.920 --> 01:13:33.560 So the formal tools are legally defined as required roles of the state 01:13:34.120 --> 01:13:40.000 has the soft or informal non regulatory tools are discretionary and the 01:13:40.080 --> 01:13:41.920 drawings on the state soft power. 01:13:42.600 --> 01:13:46.280 So it is possible to observe that the majority of the EU policy 01:13:46.360 --> 01:13:50.200 recommendations actually fit into the informal tools category. 01:13:50.440 --> 01:13:54.440 So focus on enhancing the capacity and promoting a culture of design quality. 01:13:55.240 --> 01:13:57.680 I do not have time here to go through all the different types. 01:13:57.760 --> 01:13:59.960 You can read all about that in the report. 01:14:00.760 --> 01:14:03.600 So finally, just to mention the chapter seven 01:14:03.680 --> 01:14:06.040 that addresses the question of the policy impact. 01:14:06.920 --> 01:14:10.120 So it was divided in three level of analysis. 01:14:10.520 --> 01:14:14.840 So first, the impact of the EU policies on the development of national or regional 01:14:15.480 --> 01:14:17.880 architectural policies by the EU member states. 01:14:18.840 --> 01:14:23.360 Of course this cannot be quantified in a mathematical way. 01:14:23.520 --> 01:14:27.120 But we can see that since the first European resolutions 01:14:27.600 --> 01:14:33.480 that there has been a positive impact by setting an agenda and legitimizing 01:14:33.560 --> 01:14:37.640 and encouraging the policy developments within the member states to promote 01:14:37.720 --> 01:14:40.240 and adopt this type of policy domains. 01:14:40.720 --> 01:14:44.640 Of course, the chapter also tried to explore the impacts of the policies 01:14:44.720 --> 01:14:48.200 on process of design governance and its main limitations, 01:14:48.360 --> 01:14:53.840 revealing its policy red lines and long term impact of most of its tools. 01:14:54.040 --> 01:14:56.480 So I don't have time here, so I will just jump for a brief 01:14:56.560 --> 01:14:58.120 conclusion and then finishing. 01:14:59.480 --> 01:15:03.240 So first, although it acts with and among other 01:15:03.320 --> 01:15:08.800 actors, the public sector has a key role of leadership for creating the conditions 01:15:08.880 --> 01:15:12.360 within which a high quality built environment can flourish. 01:15:13.720 --> 01:15:17.480 Architectural policies are having substantial impacts across Europe 01:15:17.560 --> 01:15:21.960 on design governance processes, but also enabling a diversity 01:15:22.040 --> 01:15:26.440 of initiatives, promoting best practices and fostering a place making culture 01:15:26.520 --> 01:15:29.320 that was not before the policy existence. 01:15:29.760 --> 01:15:34.360 Of course there is still a need of better policy integration, so sectors keep having 01:15:34.440 --> 01:15:39.040 difficulties in leaving behind their own silos and making these concerns 01:15:39.400 --> 01:15:42.440 transversal to the different governmental sectors. 01:15:42.840 --> 01:15:47.320 There is also most of the policies a lack of dedicated funding. 01:15:48.040 --> 01:15:52.000 So it limits and it will reduce this impact extent if there is 01:15:52.080 --> 01:15:53.320 no budget attached. 01:15:53.640 --> 01:15:58.240 And finally, of course there's with this type of lack of budget there are some 01:15:58.320 --> 01:16:02.360 difficulties in implementing its initiatives and its action plans if 01:16:02.440 --> 01:16:06.280 there is not allocated appropriately level of resources. 01:16:06.920 --> 01:16:10.720 So if you may be interested, you can download this PDF at the ACE 01:16:10.800 --> 01:16:16.040 website or you can ask for a hard copy ACE is willing to send you by post 01:16:17.000 --> 01:16:21.480 and of course there are some copies on the table outside that you can grab 01:16:21.880 --> 01:16:26.120 and I just leave my contacts and I'm available to develop further research 01:16:26.200 --> 01:16:29.040 on these topics and I wish you a successful conference. 01:16:29.120 --> 01:16:29.640 Thank you. 01:16:30.200 --> 01:16:32.680 Now I will invite Elisabeth. 01:16:34.080 --> 01:16:34.480 Yes. 01:16:35.520 --> 01:16:39.400 Good morning everyone and many thanks to Piotr for the invitation 01:16:39.480 --> 01:16:41.280 and for a continued collaboration. 01:16:42.400 --> 01:16:46.160 It's the fourth time that we are here as ISOCARP and myself personally it's 01:16:46.240 --> 01:16:50.280 the third time that I'm here and it's wonderful to keep this debate 01:16:50.360 --> 01:16:55.600 alive and the exchange as well because it allows us to share knowledge 01:16:55.680 --> 01:16:57.600 for better cities and communities. 01:16:58.080 --> 01:16:59.560 And that is our motto. 01:17:00.200 --> 01:17:02.560 It's the motto of isocarp, the International Society 01:17:02.640 --> 01:17:04.280 of City and Regional Planners. 01:17:04.600 --> 01:17:09.560 We are a global nonprofit member led society with professional planners 01:17:09.640 --> 01:17:14.080 from over 90 countries, around 750 individuals 01:17:14.160 --> 01:17:17.400 and institutional members among others. 01:17:17.640 --> 01:17:21.640 Royal Thorn Planning Institute that by itself has 27,000 members. 01:17:22.520 --> 01:17:27.000 We have a consultative status with UN and that allows us to contribute 01:17:27.080 --> 01:17:30.040 to the global policies such as the New Urban Agenda. 01:17:30.440 --> 01:17:33.320 And we Bring as isocarp a triple perspective. 01:17:33.720 --> 01:17:37.480 So our activities bring theory, practice and policy together. 01:17:37.720 --> 01:17:39.640 We connect people and perspectives. 01:17:40.520 --> 01:17:45.080 And it's actually very interesting to see that today the two worlds are brought 01:17:45.160 --> 01:17:51.400 together of architectural policy and planning, because on a global scale 01:17:51.480 --> 01:17:53.960 it doesn't often happen like this. 01:17:55.000 --> 01:17:57.560 And therefore, rather than a list of solutions 01:17:58.200 --> 01:18:02.680 on the how, I want to make some reflections on the how and the why. 01:18:04.920 --> 01:18:08.920 City ARCHITECT we like the concept of city architect, 01:18:09.000 --> 01:18:12.040 Government architect, state architect Baumeister. 01:18:12.600 --> 01:18:15.800 Although it sounds very architecture, we see that there is some 01:18:15.880 --> 01:18:17.560 planning aspects involved. 01:18:17.960 --> 01:18:20.680 Place making, as just mentioned by the previous speaker, 01:18:21.960 --> 01:18:26.240 either part of mandate or the focus areas, be it buildings, public space, 01:18:26.320 --> 01:18:27.720 infrastructure and landscape. 01:18:27.960 --> 01:18:31.640 So it's a very good bridge between planning and architectural policy. 01:18:32.360 --> 01:18:35.880 And it's also why we are here, because we believe that planners need 01:18:36.040 --> 01:18:40.360 to contribute to architectural policy and vice versa. 01:18:41.240 --> 01:18:44.760 We think that the way forward to the how on city architects 01:18:45.560 --> 01:18:49.560 could be fulfilled by multidisciplinary city architect teams, 01:18:50.360 --> 01:18:53.080 encompassing the different skills and competencies, 01:18:54.040 --> 01:18:57.720 including those of qualified planners, to address the complex demands 01:18:57.800 --> 01:19:01.280 of the built environment, be it urban regeneration, a shrinking 01:19:01.360 --> 01:19:03.880 city, a post conflict area, a new town. 01:19:06.280 --> 01:19:06.680 2. 01:19:07.640 --> 01:19:14.360 Form follows what architects all know the phrase form follows function. 01:19:15.000 --> 01:19:18.560 Myself, I had an own journey that started with architectures and then 01:19:18.640 --> 01:19:20.360 went on with engineering. 01:19:20.440 --> 01:19:22.840 Architecture went on to urban and spatial planning. 01:19:23.480 --> 01:19:27.520 As we heard also previously, architectural policies in Europe over 01:19:27.600 --> 01:19:31.840 the past decades have been extending this principle to the recognition 01:19:31.920 --> 01:19:34.680 and the promotion of culture and architectural quality 01:19:34.920 --> 01:19:36.760 and quality of the built environment. 01:19:38.360 --> 01:19:42.440 But in today's world, again from a global perspective, form and 01:19:42.520 --> 01:19:45.960 quality follows far more than function. 01:19:46.040 --> 01:19:51.240 It follows finance, politics, power, the developer regulations, 01:19:51.320 --> 01:19:53.480 planning, and often the lack of it. 01:19:54.360 --> 01:19:59.440 So a conference, as today is a good moment to pause and ask what value systems or 01:19:59.520 --> 01:20:03.640 needs are architectural policies really responding to? 01:20:04.720 --> 01:20:08.320 If policy is shaping form and quality of the built environment, 01:20:08.960 --> 01:20:10.880 shouldn't we shape policy together 01:20:16.080 --> 01:20:18.240 as we are addressing what can go where, 01:20:18.320 --> 01:20:21.440 how dense, how connected, where is the flow and how green. 01:20:21.760 --> 01:20:25.440 And architects are also focusing on how it feels, how it performs, 01:20:25.520 --> 01:20:27.120 how it expresses identity. 01:20:27.600 --> 01:20:32.800 We are not just two parallel professions, we are part of the same spatial 01:20:32.880 --> 01:20:35.840 authorship, but we each have our qualifications 01:20:36.080 --> 01:20:38.960 and one plus one is more than two. 01:20:40.480 --> 01:20:43.920 So perhaps we have to rewrite the sentence that quality follows the future. 01:20:44.560 --> 01:20:45.680 But what is the future? 01:20:48.160 --> 01:20:52.800 A shared global brief Architects often start with a brief, 01:20:52.880 --> 01:20:55.520 and today we share a global brief. 01:20:55.840 --> 01:20:58.720 It's non negotiable, it has deadlines. 01:20:59.360 --> 01:21:00.960 So the future is now. 01:21:01.440 --> 01:21:06.720 We all know that the climate crisis is one of the main crises, but it Is 01:21:06.800 --> 01:21:09.560 not all we having poly crisis. 01:21:09.640 --> 01:21:13.320 There is biodiversity loss, health crisis, 01:21:13.400 --> 01:21:17.840 raising inequity and recently also affordable housing crisis has been put on 01:21:17.920 --> 01:21:20.080 the agenda both globally and also the EU. 01:21:21.120 --> 01:21:24.840 We for instance know that 9 out of 10 people live in areas with unhealthy 01:21:24.920 --> 01:21:26.400 levels of air pollution. 01:21:26.720 --> 01:21:29.640 Seven out of nine planetary boundaries are crossed. 01:21:29.720 --> 01:21:32.400 The previous time I spoke it was 6. 01:21:32.680 --> 01:21:36.240 70% of energy and product waste in cities. 01:21:36.640 --> 01:21:41.040 Public space is increasingly privatized, but also can exclude and include 01:21:42.400 --> 01:21:44.880 conflicts and increasing inequity. 01:21:45.360 --> 01:21:48.240 So cities are on the front line of response to multiple 01:21:48.320 --> 01:21:50.320 crises that the world faces. 01:21:51.200 --> 01:21:55.680 And if managed, planned and governed well, it also opens up tremendous 01:21:55.760 --> 01:21:57.840 opportunities and possible futures. 01:21:58.080 --> 01:22:02.960 So the shared brief is one of net zero affordability, climate and health 01:22:03.040 --> 01:22:05.360 and well being of our one planet. 01:22:06.160 --> 01:22:09.440 And again, a conference like this, an opportunity to rethink 01:22:09.600 --> 01:22:14.640 for whom and what our cities and the quality of the built environment is for. 01:22:16.240 --> 01:22:21.960 For example, we know that 70% of people will live in cities by 2050. 01:22:22.280 --> 01:22:27.240 But also that still 60% of built in environment yet has to be built. 01:22:27.480 --> 01:22:29.320 So there are opportunities there. 01:22:29.640 --> 01:22:32.960 And a few months ago we organized the first international conference 01:22:33.040 --> 01:22:35.000 on new regenerative cities. 01:22:35.400 --> 01:22:39.320 Because we all deal with mitigation, adaptation, resilience, planning. 01:22:39.400 --> 01:22:45.320 But should we not go to the next level to regenerative built environments? 01:22:48.360 --> 01:22:52.360 Some of our members, they developed and co created a manifesto 01:22:52.520 --> 01:22:54.040 on the new regenerative city. 01:22:54.120 --> 01:22:56.400 And I invite you to contribute to that. 01:22:56.480 --> 01:22:58.040 You can find it on our website. 01:23:00.360 --> 01:23:02.680 So we have a shared brief, but who is the client? 01:23:03.400 --> 01:23:07.160 Policies, city architects or in the public sector sphere. 01:23:07.560 --> 01:23:10.280 The client might be seen as the government or the eu. 01:23:11.160 --> 01:23:14.280 But who are we planning and developing for and with? 01:23:15.160 --> 01:23:17.320 It's not just cities on the front line. 01:23:17.400 --> 01:23:22.960 It's health and well being of human health and well being on the front line. 01:23:23.320 --> 01:23:25.400 Are we making the world better for our children? 01:23:26.440 --> 01:23:29.080 People are at the center or not? 01:23:29.160 --> 01:23:34.120 Only we had an opportunity two years ago to hear an indigenous planner 01:23:34.200 --> 01:23:36.160 in our congress in Toronto. 01:23:36.720 --> 01:23:41.360 And they use the seven generation principle, looking seven times 20 years 01:23:41.440 --> 01:23:44.480 ahead and seven times 20 years back. 01:23:45.520 --> 01:23:50.560 It's about establishing a new relation with the land based on reciprocity, 01:23:50.640 --> 01:23:52.080 respect, responsibility. 01:23:52.880 --> 01:23:55.360 It might be different than what we heard so far. 01:23:55.920 --> 01:23:58.800 It puts biodiversity at the heart, for instance. 01:23:59.040 --> 01:24:03.680 And it has a relation with land and a web of life more than human species. 01:24:04.320 --> 01:24:07.160 So this principle, which is hiding in plain sight, 01:24:07.240 --> 01:24:08.720 it exists for thousands of years. 01:24:09.120 --> 01:24:12.320 The seventh generation principle goes beyond bricks and mortar. 01:24:12.400 --> 01:24:16.000 And it challenges us to rethink how we use resources, how we 01:24:16.080 --> 01:24:17.760 consume and how we waste. 01:24:19.680 --> 01:24:23.440 But these faraway concepts, we also have to get it 01:24:23.520 --> 01:24:25.120 right on our doorstep. 01:24:27.200 --> 01:24:30.480 The human scale of systems, the neighborhood, 01:24:31.360 --> 01:24:35.120 the built environment in which we live, we move, we play, we work. 01:24:35.360 --> 01:24:38.320 It affects our health and well being and of other species. 01:24:39.280 --> 01:24:42.800 It can enable healthy lifestyles, it can prevent diseases. 01:24:43.120 --> 01:24:44.800 Again, it can exclude, include. 01:24:45.280 --> 01:24:51.040 It can provide equitable places in our city or inequitable ones. 01:24:51.600 --> 01:24:53.920 So the neighborhood unit is extremely important. 01:24:54.160 --> 01:24:58.400 It's a key enabling environment to support this on a daily basis. 01:24:59.600 --> 01:25:02.880 A critical resource for health and resilient people and the environment. 01:25:03.920 --> 01:25:06.400 So we need to dive into people's daily life. 01:25:07.280 --> 01:25:08.640 And there are multiple lives. 01:25:09.120 --> 01:25:11.200 It requires the engagement of the community. 01:25:11.680 --> 01:25:15.360 And again, the neighborhood scale or the community scale is a critical 01:25:15.440 --> 01:25:17.200 and important skill to do so. 01:25:17.600 --> 01:25:21.800 And planners, when planned well, do this on the neighborhood scale. 01:25:21.880 --> 01:25:28.000 And this would be also an added value to add the community participation for 01:25:28.080 --> 01:25:30.480 the development of architectural policies. 01:25:31.600 --> 01:25:34.560 Apart from that, the city region is another very important 01:25:35.200 --> 01:25:40.640 skill often missed because city also city architect relates to cities. 01:25:40.720 --> 01:25:43.120 The governance systems relate to cities. 01:25:43.520 --> 01:25:47.840 But the city region is the place of systems, ecological networks, 01:25:47.920 --> 01:25:49.440 mobility, food, water. 01:25:50.080 --> 01:25:51.120 Ever more important. 01:26:02.720 --> 01:26:07.440 Sixth point in between is actually back to number one, the city architect. 01:26:09.440 --> 01:26:12.480 As we said, we see that the city architect could develop, 01:26:13.360 --> 01:26:17.760 which is already done in some countries, I think in a multidisciplinary team 01:26:17.840 --> 01:26:20.480 in which planning and qualified planners could take place. 01:26:22.240 --> 01:26:25.680 And as we have our World Planning Congress in Riyadh in December, 01:26:26.080 --> 01:26:29.840 a city which is going through an enormous transformation and very keen to learn 01:26:30.160 --> 01:26:35.680 on planning pathways to quality of life and resilience and discuss the role 01:26:36.560 --> 01:26:37.800 of city architects. 01:26:37.880 --> 01:26:43.120 We invite PIOTR to take that opportunity and take ISOCARP as a springboard 01:26:43.360 --> 01:26:47.040 to organize and discuss the role of city architects 01:26:47.120 --> 01:26:48.800 and teams in a global perspective. 01:26:49.240 --> 01:26:50.280 So you're welcome there. 01:26:51.800 --> 01:26:57.560 And then finally chartering new ground as isocarp, we represent planners 01:26:57.640 --> 01:27:00.760 from many regions, countries, systems and cultures. 01:27:01.480 --> 01:27:02.440 We connect them. 01:27:03.720 --> 01:27:08.040 It's planners that have very diverse journeys as a background and also 01:27:08.120 --> 01:27:09.480 through different disciplines. 01:27:09.640 --> 01:27:14.480 In fact, you could say we are different disciplines and we are connected through 01:27:14.560 --> 01:27:18.360 our passion and experience or education in urban and spatial planning. 01:27:19.320 --> 01:27:23.320 And I believe this gives us a unique opportunity and also a responsibility 01:27:23.720 --> 01:27:26.440 to shape a global charter for planning. 01:27:27.400 --> 01:27:31.560 And I plan to start such a charter in my current term as president. 01:27:32.920 --> 01:27:36.760 A planning charter helps define who we are as planners, 01:27:37.640 --> 01:27:41.720 why planning matters and what good planning looks like, 01:27:42.280 --> 01:27:46.400 what values and purposes are long term thinking, 01:27:46.800 --> 01:27:51.680 place based system approaches, community engagement and public interest. 01:27:52.880 --> 01:27:56.680 So it clarifies the difference and the synergy between Planning 01:27:56.760 --> 01:27:58.480 and architectural policies. 01:27:59.600 --> 01:28:02.640 It will strengthen interdisciplinary collaboration, 01:28:03.360 --> 01:28:08.560 it supports a better policy alignment and it offers a reference for 01:28:08.640 --> 01:28:12.440 architectural policies aligning quality. 01:28:14.120 --> 01:28:20.520 So a charter helps planning plug into architectural policies and vice versa. 01:28:20.600 --> 01:28:26.080 So we are not working in silos and not overlapping because we 01:28:26.160 --> 01:28:28.120 do have specific qualifications. 01:28:29.400 --> 01:28:32.760 So we are building better places that are inclusive, qualitative, 01:28:33.080 --> 01:28:35.960 resilient and equitable together. Thank you. 01:28:38.200 --> 01:28:39.640 Thank you very much, Elizabeth. 01:28:39.720 --> 01:28:45.880 And now I will invite Stefan to the stage. Good morning. 01:28:46.040 --> 01:28:47.600 Thank you very much for the invitation. 01:28:47.680 --> 01:28:48.840 My name is Stefan Meyer. 01:28:49.080 --> 01:28:54.600 I'm a policy officer in the German Federal Ministry for Housing, Urban Development 01:28:55.400 --> 01:29:01.400 and Building and I'm a trained urban planner and I take the opportunity to 01:29:02.040 --> 01:29:05.760 tell you a little bit about the German Federal Government's 01:29:05.840 --> 01:29:07.560 guidelines for Baukultur. 01:29:07.720 --> 01:29:11.200 We're happy they're newly adopted and I'm glad. 01:29:11.280 --> 01:29:18.120 Joao, you told us with the map that the flashlights now turn from yellow to green. 01:29:18.600 --> 01:29:19.800 So we go for it. 01:29:20.600 --> 01:29:25.480 I'm briefly taking into what I will be talking about about the content. 01:29:26.280 --> 01:29:28.160 So we start the presentation. 01:29:28.240 --> 01:29:29.360 Presentation, I hope. 01:29:30.080 --> 01:29:32.240 Just show you. What was the title slide. 01:29:32.560 --> 01:29:34.040 This is it. This is the brochure. 01:29:34.120 --> 01:29:35.920 This is like. These are the guidelines. 01:29:37.200 --> 01:29:41.280 The advertisement block may be put in it first. 01:29:41.600 --> 01:29:44.640 You can see a sample at the entrance. 01:29:44.720 --> 01:29:46.560 I've got one here for you to see. 01:29:46.640 --> 01:29:49.520 And of course I've got some flyers for you. 01:29:49.680 --> 01:29:51.440 You can order it, don't worry. 01:29:51.520 --> 01:29:55.160 These are in German, but you can order of course an English 01:29:55.240 --> 01:30:01.200 speaking copy if you want to, as printed version or as well as a digital download. 01:30:01.920 --> 01:30:02.880 Yes, no problem. 01:30:02.960 --> 01:30:07.680 I just tell you what I will be talking about in the brief given time. 01:30:08.080 --> 01:30:13.560 I'll take you a short introduction about the German framework because we're talking 01:30:13.640 --> 01:30:19.120 about in this session also about federal concepts on promoting 01:30:19.200 --> 01:30:21.040 architectural or Bakurtur policy. 01:30:21.120 --> 01:30:26.360 So I'll take you into a short introduction about the Federal Framework 01:30:26.440 --> 01:30:27.840 for Planning in Germany. 01:30:28.080 --> 01:30:31.920 I'm going to take you through the development process of the guidelines, 01:30:32.240 --> 01:30:38.760 the guidelines themselves and the focal points and give you a brief outlook how we 01:30:38.840 --> 01:30:44.080 do work with the guidelines and with what we do want to achieve with this policy. 01:30:53.200 --> 01:30:54.960 We're not quite there yet, probably 01:31:01.360 --> 01:31:02.960 okay, but I think it's no problem. 01:31:03.040 --> 01:31:04.160 I just go on. 01:31:05.440 --> 01:31:09.760 In Germany we have a federal system consisting of three levels. 01:31:10.000 --> 01:31:15.280 The federal State, the federal states, the so called lender 01:31:16.080 --> 01:31:18.000 and the municipalities of course. 01:31:18.240 --> 01:31:24.720 So on the top level for the federal government has got the competence 01:31:25.280 --> 01:31:27.000 for the national building code. 01:31:27.080 --> 01:31:30.000 And here within the paragraph 1 of the building code, 01:31:30.800 --> 01:31:34.240 there's mentioned the term of Baukultur 01:31:34.400 --> 01:31:38.320 which is one task or one 01:31:41.040 --> 01:31:46.240 interest to be considered in construction planning, of course, among many others. 01:31:48.040 --> 01:31:52.760 And the basis also for federal funding programs which we have are 01:31:52.840 --> 01:31:54.360 legislative competences. 01:31:54.600 --> 01:31:58.320 That means on the federal state there's the competence, for instance for climate 01:31:58.400 --> 01:32:03.640 protection and there are constitutional regulations on the state 01:32:04.600 --> 01:32:05.880 for the state competence. 01:32:06.360 --> 01:32:11.040 And this gives us the possibility to support the federal states. 01:32:11.120 --> 01:32:14.840 The lender for urban development and social housing 01:32:15.400 --> 01:32:20.200 on the so called lender Ebene, you know, in Germany we have 16 federal states. 01:32:20.520 --> 01:32:24.800 There's the sovereignty over building regulation law and they have 01:32:24.880 --> 01:32:28.840 the competence in general housing construction. 01:32:29.240 --> 01:32:35.320 And finally the municipalities, they have municipal planning authority. 01:32:36.440 --> 01:32:39.800 And so they're responsible for the implementation on site 01:32:40.560 --> 01:32:42.240 through land use planning. 01:32:46.480 --> 01:32:49.200 I just may try again if something happens here. 01:32:50.640 --> 01:32:53.040 No, looks like we still have the same. 01:32:54.400 --> 01:33:01.360 Okay, that's a little pity, but not to lose any time, I just go on because 01:33:02.080 --> 01:33:06.880 I suppose as we have all experts, architects, planners, 01:33:07.360 --> 01:33:11.840 people who are related to spatial questions, you probably know 01:33:12.720 --> 01:33:17.120 or are related with the terms that I mention right here. 01:33:17.680 --> 01:33:21.120 So what about Baukultur policy in Germany in 2000? 01:33:21.200 --> 01:33:27.440 So 25 years ago there was the foundation of the initiative architecture. 01:33:28.240 --> 01:33:29.680 Great, thank you so much. 01:33:30.400 --> 01:33:32.640 Okay, now I have to find the right slide. 01:33:33.160 --> 01:33:39.400 Here you see it again. You see we sort of attached a slogan 01:33:39.640 --> 01:33:43.560 or headline to our Barcode 2 policy. 01:33:43.720 --> 01:33:47.320 We call it Co designing spaces for the common good. 01:33:47.640 --> 01:33:49.360 I left out the spaces here. 01:33:49.440 --> 01:33:51.080 It's just a space by now. 01:33:51.400 --> 01:33:53.800 But yeah, we'll work on this. 01:33:54.040 --> 01:33:55.400 Maybe still lacking. 01:33:58.360 --> 01:34:00.880 Already showed you this. 01:34:01.600 --> 01:34:04.160 The split responsibilities on the federal level. 01:34:05.680 --> 01:34:07.120 And there we are. 01:34:08.800 --> 01:34:13.920 So on the left you see the initiative architecture in Balkurtur. 01:34:14.000 --> 01:34:19.200 So we have a Jubilee this year, 25 years of this, of the initiation 01:34:19.280 --> 01:34:21.200 of a Balkutur policy in Germany. 01:34:21.280 --> 01:34:26.640 In 2006, our federal foundation of Baukultur was established by law 01:34:27.360 --> 01:34:32.000 as a communication platform to transport the knowledge, disseminate the knowledge 01:34:32.080 --> 01:34:33.840 of planning a building to the public. 01:34:34.480 --> 01:34:38.720 And very important for the development of the 01:34:39.840 --> 01:34:44.320 Baukultur guidelines is the adoption of the Davos Declaration, of course 01:34:44.880 --> 01:34:48.240 by the German federal government in 2018. 01:34:48.480 --> 01:34:52.400 And this of course serves as the basis for the development 01:34:53.480 --> 01:34:56.360 of the guidelines for biocoulture. 01:34:56.440 --> 01:34:59.560 And of course it's also the legitimation 01:35:01.880 --> 01:35:04.360 why we started out with this process. 01:35:05.960 --> 01:35:10.920 So we started out in 2022 01:35:11.960 --> 01:35:14.440 and putting up a research project 01:35:15.160 --> 01:35:18.040 to have more resources for this process. 01:35:18.680 --> 01:35:23.280 We had an advisory board of experts, focus groups who were advising us. 01:35:23.360 --> 01:35:29.640 We had an inter ministerial working groups where 11 federal ministries were involved 01:35:29.720 --> 01:35:34.120 in the process of setting up the guidelines and we had more partners 01:35:35.400 --> 01:35:37.080 involved in this whole process. 01:35:37.720 --> 01:35:39.000 Why did we do that? 01:35:39.240 --> 01:35:44.200 We wanted to promote acceptance for this Federal Bakutur policy 01:35:45.000 --> 01:35:49.320 enlarged the public get more opinions to support the guidelines. 01:35:49.640 --> 01:35:52.040 So to cause more impact on the ground. 01:35:53.000 --> 01:35:57.080 And luckily, in November last year, 01:35:57.320 --> 01:36:00.960 the BOT guidelines were adopted 01:36:01.040 --> 01:36:06.520 by the cabinet and there was also a briefing of the German Bundestag. 01:36:13.200 --> 01:36:15.200 So what are the guidelines? 01:36:15.280 --> 01:36:18.960 And maybe before I shortly take you through these eight 01:36:19.840 --> 01:36:23.760 guidelines, I'm going to give you a definition about our understanding 01:36:24.160 --> 01:36:25.920 of Balkultur in Germany. 01:36:26.080 --> 01:36:30.400 So the guidelines represent the federal government's understanding of Baukultur 01:36:30.480 --> 01:36:33.440 based on the new Leipzigarte and as mentioned 01:36:33.520 --> 01:36:37.560 on the Davos Bakultur Declaration for Green, equitable 01:36:37.720 --> 01:36:39.560 and productive Urban Development. 01:36:40.120 --> 01:36:44.440 In our understanding, Balkutour encompasses the sum of human 01:36:44.520 --> 01:36:47.880 activities that further change our designed environment. 01:36:48.680 --> 01:36:53.560 And what is the binding effect or the scope of the guidelines? 01:36:53.880 --> 01:36:57.080 Well, they underline the federal government's 01:36:57.160 --> 01:37:02.680 commitment to align the built environment with a high quality of design, 01:37:03.480 --> 01:37:04.600 use and process. 01:37:06.360 --> 01:37:09.520 You have to understand that the Federal State in Germany 01:37:09.600 --> 01:37:11.480 is the largest public builder. 01:37:12.200 --> 01:37:17.720 He promotes Baukultur by legislation, by research and promotion. 01:37:18.600 --> 01:37:21.960 And these guidelines, they're only legally binding 01:37:22.040 --> 01:37:26.440 for the federal state itself, of course, not for the 16 lenders and not 01:37:26.520 --> 01:37:28.120 for the municipalities. 01:37:28.280 --> 01:37:30.600 But I'll shortly talk about this. 01:37:31.080 --> 01:37:35.640 So I'm not going to show you the whole guidelines which are formulated as 01:37:35.720 --> 01:37:39.840 sentences, but should give you just some spotlights on that. 01:37:39.920 --> 01:37:44.400 You see on the right side, three stage model 01:37:45.360 --> 01:37:48.320 which has an internal level for values. 01:37:48.720 --> 01:37:54.000 Then in the middle, the level of the spaces and on the margin 01:37:54.080 --> 01:37:55.840 on the frame, the processes. 01:37:56.720 --> 01:38:00.720 The internal level is the central value driven fields of action. 01:38:01.360 --> 01:38:04.240 So at the first guideline we address climate and research 01:38:05.280 --> 01:38:09.840 and resource protection objective, especially with the preservation 01:38:10.160 --> 01:38:11.600 of the building stock. 01:38:12.800 --> 01:38:17.200 Second guideline is about the identity creating effect of the built environment. 01:38:17.760 --> 01:38:22.240 And third, knowledge and skills are to be promoted 01:38:23.760 --> 01:38:26.320 as well as cross sectional cooperation. 01:38:27.360 --> 01:38:32.240 Coming to the middle level of the three stage model, this is the spatial areas 01:38:32.320 --> 01:38:36.000 of action with guidelines 4 to 6 01:38:36.880 --> 01:38:39.480 spatial frameworks for well being, 01:38:39.560 --> 01:38:43.760 oriented soil and land development and a healthy life 01:38:44.560 --> 01:38:48.880 by conversion and expansion of green areas are to be addressed. 01:38:49.280 --> 01:38:54.520 And sixth, the focus is on the quarters essential level of action. 01:38:54.840 --> 01:39:01.280 And this means not only of course city quarters, but also the rural areas which 01:39:01.360 --> 01:39:03.400 are addressed within these guidelines. 01:39:03.640 --> 01:39:07.640 Coming to the outer level about the processes, 01:39:07.960 --> 01:39:14.080 experimental spaces and development projects aimed at transforming the built 01:39:14.160 --> 01:39:17.440 environment are to be expanded and to bring 01:39:17.520 --> 01:39:20.440 innovation and translation into practice. 01:39:22.040 --> 01:39:27.720 And finally, cooperation oriented participation processes are supported. 01:39:34.040 --> 01:39:38.360 So what impulses do the guidelines want to send out? 01:39:39.240 --> 01:39:44.040 They serve as discourse for design of the built space with the society. 01:39:44.120 --> 01:39:48.080 We want to promote training and bioculture education. 01:39:48.640 --> 01:39:52.560 We want to disseminate knowledge of good design and promote research 01:39:53.440 --> 01:39:57.680 and dissemination of innovation as basis for sustainable biocorture. 01:39:58.720 --> 01:40:03.200 Moreover, we want to contribute to strengthening quality instruments, 01:40:03.360 --> 01:40:08.880 as we also talked about yesterday in our meeting for the Directors of Architecture. 01:40:09.200 --> 01:40:14.200 And we want to adapt framework conditions under federal law to initiate changes 01:40:14.280 --> 01:40:18.440 to European regulations and to further develop funding programs. 01:40:19.320 --> 01:40:22.920 So what we did was to combine these eight guidelines. 01:40:23.160 --> 01:40:28.760 I just briefly talked you through with measures and recommendations. 01:40:28.840 --> 01:40:35.480 The measures are meant for the federal state itself and the recommendations 01:40:36.040 --> 01:40:38.120 are for public and private builders. 01:40:40.440 --> 01:40:41.480 Why did we do that? 01:40:41.640 --> 01:40:46.280 We hope that these measures will help evaluate 01:40:46.360 --> 01:40:50.600 the implementation of the guidelines through the level of execution. 01:40:56.280 --> 01:41:00.760 Coming to the end of my presentation, what is sort of the outlook? 01:41:00.840 --> 01:41:06.840 What do we want to achieve when working with the Balkutur Guidelines? 01:41:07.400 --> 01:41:14.040 We want to build and deepen partnerships on Bo Kurtur with the federal states, 01:41:14.120 --> 01:41:15.560 with the municipalities. 01:41:16.360 --> 01:41:22.120 We want them to take on these poor two guidelines and probably develop 01:41:22.520 --> 01:41:26.760 their own PO2 strategies within their realm of competence 01:41:27.320 --> 01:41:33.000 and with the dissemination of the knowledge they take out of the the 01:41:33.320 --> 01:41:35.720 Bakurto guidelines of the Federal State. 01:41:36.840 --> 01:41:42.440 Moreover, we want to address companies Elisabeth just mentioned in her 01:41:42.600 --> 01:41:45.400 presentation about form follows what? 01:41:45.560 --> 01:41:47.920 And this is exactly what we're talking about here. 01:41:48.000 --> 01:41:53.320 Also, in international networks like the Davos Baukotu alliance, 01:41:53.480 --> 01:41:58.040 we want to bring in private companies for them to make responsible use 01:41:58.120 --> 01:42:02.640 of the built space and use Baucourtur as a quality feature 01:42:03.600 --> 01:42:05.760 that benchmarks their own actions. 01:42:05.920 --> 01:42:08.720 We want to cooperate with Balkurtur institutions 01:42:09.360 --> 01:42:14.880 such as the planning associations and the Chambers, and support our 01:42:14.960 --> 01:42:16.880 Federal foundation of Baukultur. 01:42:16.960 --> 01:42:23.880 They make a biannual report on the current situation of Baukultur and planning 01:42:23.960 --> 01:42:25.120 and building in Germany. 01:42:25.200 --> 01:42:29.000 This is something that we can't do without the Bowkur 2 guidelines. 01:42:29.080 --> 01:42:35.680 But they can pick on the guidelines and show the stages of implementation. 01:42:35.840 --> 01:42:40.160 So that's a part of forthcoming evaluation. 01:42:40.720 --> 01:42:42.960 We want to create exchange and encounters. 01:42:43.360 --> 01:42:48.400 I've been Talking about the 25 Jubilee of our initiative of Architecten Boukartur. 01:42:48.480 --> 01:42:53.720 You're happily invited to join us on September 9th in Bonnie. 01:42:54.760 --> 01:42:58.640 And we have another Congress coming up in September where we will 01:42:58.720 --> 01:43:00.760 promote the Balkurtur guidelines. 01:43:00.840 --> 01:43:04.360 And finally, we are active in international 01:43:04.680 --> 01:43:06.200 networking and memberships. 01:43:06.360 --> 01:43:10.600 We're here with you, working actively with the European Directors 01:43:10.680 --> 01:43:14.400 of Architecture, of course, and we're active members and part 01:43:14.480 --> 01:43:19.200 of the Davos Bakurtur alliance and want to strengthen these formats. 01:43:19.280 --> 01:43:22.960 Of course, we're aiming for a focus on core concerns 01:43:23.040 --> 01:43:27.040 of baukotur and architectural issues with strong social, 01:43:27.120 --> 01:43:32.480 ecological and cultural dimension to attract political and public attention. 01:43:33.280 --> 01:43:34.880 So this brings me to the end. 01:43:36.720 --> 01:43:38.800 I thank you very much for your attention. 01:43:46.400 --> 01:43:49.040 And now turning to our panelists for the discussion, 01:43:49.120 --> 01:43:54.480 I will invite to the stage Martin Dublin from the Netherlands, 01:43:54.800 --> 01:43:59.360 an urban strategist and former president of International Society 01:43:59.440 --> 01:44:01.920 of City and Regional Planners. 01:44:02.000 --> 01:44:06.640 ESOCARP will share the best practices of integrating planning, 01:44:06.720 --> 01:44:10.800 design and governance across local and the regional context. 01:44:13.040 --> 01:44:19.360 Martina Ivara from the uk, former Secretary General of International 01:44:19.840 --> 01:44:23.680 Society of City and Regional Planners, 01:44:24.800 --> 01:44:27.600 who brings the extensive experience 01:44:27.840 --> 01:44:32.240 in climate sensitive planning and international policy advice. 01:44:32.960 --> 01:44:38.680 She will help us reflect on the global dimension of architectural responsibility. 01:44:39.960 --> 01:44:46.200 Anda Kurchista from Latvia, a practicing architect and an active 01:44:46.280 --> 01:44:51.280 member of Architects Council of Europe, will share national level insights 01:44:51.360 --> 01:44:58.240 from Latvia, particularly on how public institutions can sustain long 01:44:58.320 --> 01:45:01.560 term architectural policy implementation. 01:45:02.640 --> 01:45:05.040 Pet Leszek from Czech Republic. 01:45:07.760 --> 01:45:09.960 I didn't. Oh, okay, okay. 01:45:10.040 --> 01:45:10.400 Yes. 01:45:11.680 --> 01:45:15.440 An architect and advocate for participatory planning. 01:45:15.760 --> 01:45:19.760 Participatory planning will reflect on the opportunities 01:45:19.840 --> 01:45:25.520 and limitation of architectural policy when viewed from the perspective of 01:45:26.080 --> 01:45:28.520 practitioners and local initiative. 01:45:28.600 --> 01:45:33.560 And last but not least, Ruth Schageman from Germany, 01:45:33.640 --> 01:45:38.240 president of the Architects Council of Europe, who will provide 01:45:39.760 --> 01:45:44.160 a European overview outlining how ACE 01:45:44.240 --> 01:45:47.000 supports member states in aligning 01:45:47.080 --> 01:45:51.760 national policies with shared European values and priorities. 01:45:53.920 --> 01:45:57.120 I have the first question for all of you 01:45:57.200 --> 01:46:01.040 about how is for you the architectural 01:46:01.120 --> 01:46:04.080 policy and do you see any 01:46:07.520 --> 01:46:10.320 presence in the architectural 01:46:11.520 --> 01:46:13.840 realization and urban planning? 01:46:14.720 --> 01:46:18.080 Maybe we can start like that from root or. 01:46:22.880 --> 01:46:27.440 Yes, I think Joel Bento really showed really nicely how the development 01:46:28.160 --> 01:46:34.240 in the past has been and we started very small altogether and now more 01:46:34.320 --> 01:46:37.120 and more are joining in the process. 01:46:37.360 --> 01:46:40.800 So I strongly believe that this is a very 01:46:42.720 --> 01:46:44.960 inspiring journey 01:46:45.920 --> 01:46:51.400 and I strongly believe it takes time, it takes initiative of people 01:46:51.880 --> 01:46:52.920 to bring it forward. 01:46:53.720 --> 01:46:58.440 It needs a strong belief that it is the right direction. 01:46:59.080 --> 01:47:04.720 And I also believe that only if we are convinced ourselves that this is 01:47:04.800 --> 01:47:07.320 the right way, we can convince others. 01:47:07.400 --> 01:47:11.320 And others is always very difficult to convince because amongst 01:47:11.400 --> 01:47:12.680 us we can preach a lot. 01:47:13.560 --> 01:47:18.080 But the question is, how do we convince politicians? 01:47:18.160 --> 01:47:19.760 How do we convince mayors? 01:47:19.840 --> 01:47:24.880 How do we convince the construction industry to follow this lead? 01:47:24.960 --> 01:47:28.920 And therefore also the Davos alliance is a very important 01:47:30.360 --> 01:47:34.360 network because there we really try to bring together all the different 01:47:34.920 --> 01:47:40.640 actors, also those who might in the first sight not be in favor 01:47:40.720 --> 01:47:41.880 of these developments. 01:47:42.520 --> 01:47:44.120 Thank you very much, Pet. 01:47:45.000 --> 01:47:51.480 Okay, so I'm happy that attention policies existed so that's the first point. 01:47:51.720 --> 01:47:56.200 But on the other hand, now it's time to really promote them and to be. 01:47:56.840 --> 01:48:01.640 To show all of those involved, as for the builders and so 01:48:01.720 --> 01:48:04.840 on and politicians, that it exists and have some value in it. 01:48:05.160 --> 01:48:09.480 Because at the moment we are at the point that everybody knows it's kind of like 01:48:09.560 --> 01:48:13.560 text, it's kind of like general agreement in all the countries, 01:48:13.640 --> 01:48:19.560 or almost all of them, but the implementation, it's almost non existent. 01:48:20.280 --> 01:48:23.400 So the cities doesn't know it in the ministry, doesn't 01:48:23.480 --> 01:48:24.680 know it in Czech Republic. 01:48:25.160 --> 01:48:29.640 So it's time to promote it and to show that it's really something, 01:48:30.600 --> 01:48:34.360 what brings to everybody something beneficial. 01:48:34.440 --> 01:48:37.920 Because at the moment nobody thinks that is something more than 01:48:38.000 --> 01:48:39.400 just like some piece of paper. 01:48:40.200 --> 01:48:46.440 Thank you. So you don't see this presence in. 01:48:46.920 --> 01:48:51.160 That's what we have on the papers in the urban planning. 01:48:51.240 --> 01:48:54.920 Yeah, exactly, exactly. Okay. 01:48:55.000 --> 01:48:59.440 And to be honest, just to mention it, in Czech Republic, 01:48:59.520 --> 01:49:02.400 the planners, architects and landscape architects are together 01:49:02.560 --> 01:49:04.560 in just one chamber. 01:49:04.720 --> 01:49:07.680 So I'm speaking in the name of all of them. 01:49:08.160 --> 01:49:10.160 There are no distinctions. 01:49:10.560 --> 01:49:13.440 The good point is the room for improvement. 01:49:14.080 --> 01:49:14.800 Anda? 01:49:15.360 --> 01:49:21.000 Yes, I would admit that policies are very important, not just as a document, 01:49:21.080 --> 01:49:25.440 but also as a dialog for all the stakeholders and parties involved. 01:49:26.320 --> 01:49:32.080 And what we see, we are still in the phase of policies as advisory 01:49:32.240 --> 01:49:34.160 or guidelining documents. 01:49:34.560 --> 01:49:41.040 There is a huge step ahead to bring this to legislation and it takes a lot of 01:49:41.680 --> 01:49:44.600 understanding and coordination between all 01:49:44.680 --> 01:49:49.120 the parties and it will be never ending 01:49:49.200 --> 01:49:52.400 dialog after when it comes to law. 01:49:54.280 --> 01:49:56.040 Okay, Martina? 01:49:56.360 --> 01:50:01.960 And for me, I would say we are in times of really rapid change and radical change. 01:50:02.280 --> 01:50:07.040 So having an anchor, a foundation that talks about quality 01:50:07.120 --> 01:50:09.720 and a shared understanding of what quality is about, 01:50:10.360 --> 01:50:13.000 and focusing on quality rather than 01:50:15.480 --> 01:50:17.800 price or other crisis, you know, we are 01:50:17.880 --> 01:50:20.800 all in this middle of multiple crises. 01:50:21.040 --> 01:50:24.800 So having that anchor, that foundation, is very, very important. 01:50:24.960 --> 01:50:29.200 And I am delighted that this is happening, even if the implementation 01:50:29.280 --> 01:50:30.880 on the ground is still not evident. 01:50:31.120 --> 01:50:36.880 But the fact that the discussion is ongoing and that shared understanding 01:50:36.960 --> 01:50:38.400 is developing is very important. 01:50:39.360 --> 01:50:41.200 Thank you, Marta. 01:50:42.960 --> 01:50:43.680 Yeah, I. 01:50:47.560 --> 01:50:50.040 Working together in making cities better. 01:50:51.080 --> 01:50:55.400 It is very complicated, but it's also very time consuming. 01:50:57.640 --> 01:51:01.400 You do not invent that behind the desk or behind the screen. 01:51:03.480 --> 01:51:06.960 What I very much liked in the presentations of both 01:51:07.040 --> 01:51:12.040 Elizabeth and Stefan, it is the. 01:51:13.680 --> 01:51:17.360 The call for cooperation, networking, 01:51:17.840 --> 01:51:21.280 partnerships, co design, and getting 01:51:21.360 --> 01:51:25.680 inspired meetings like this in places you. 01:51:27.840 --> 01:51:34.080 In very inspirational places like Gdansk is very much important for this. 01:51:36.400 --> 01:51:41.680 And although we are in a time where everything changes, 01:51:42.640 --> 01:51:46.200 we also need to go Back to our roots. 01:51:46.280 --> 01:51:48.080 And this is also the Bauko tour. 01:51:49.040 --> 01:51:52.560 As I've understood, we as a profession of planners 01:51:52.640 --> 01:51:56.640 and landscape architects and architects, we are often. 01:51:58.640 --> 01:52:02.080 We are often acting over actively. 01:52:02.320 --> 01:52:08.400 We are high on sugar, we are sponges absorbing all kinds of. 01:52:08.560 --> 01:52:12.480 Of new themes and topics almost every two, three years. 01:52:12.960 --> 01:52:16.160 But I think that this, what we're talking about, 01:52:16.240 --> 01:52:22.080 our architectural policies will also take us back to the roots of our 01:52:22.560 --> 01:52:28.520 profession and not being taken away by all kinds of very active 01:52:28.600 --> 01:52:30.400 themes like the smart city. 01:52:30.480 --> 01:52:33.040 Who talks about the smart city nowadays? 01:52:33.360 --> 01:52:38.560 Or the sustainable city very much now are new things coming up, 01:52:38.640 --> 01:52:40.440 nature based solution, et cetera. 01:52:40.520 --> 01:52:47.160 We need to absorb it, but we don't need to overact on it to put it that way. 01:52:47.240 --> 01:52:53.480 And we have to make sure that every city is unique, but also they have 01:52:53.880 --> 01:52:55.800 shared characteristics. 01:52:56.520 --> 01:53:02.080 Like Danzig very much like is similar to Lubeck, to Hamburg, etc. 01:53:02.160 --> 01:53:06.120 Etc. We all need to study that more and we all 01:53:06.200 --> 01:53:11.720 need to travel to a city more than once. 01:53:13.160 --> 01:53:14.600 That's what I would like to add. 01:53:15.000 --> 01:53:16.040 Thank you very much. 01:53:16.840 --> 01:53:20.440 So let's start with the particular questions. 01:53:20.680 --> 01:53:21.240 Ruth, 01:53:24.760 --> 01:53:27.720 should every European member state adopt a 01:53:28.360 --> 01:53:30.120 national architectural policy? 01:53:31.480 --> 01:53:33.960 Yes, it was short, but maybe. 01:53:34.360 --> 01:53:35.480 Yes, I can explain. 01:53:35.560 --> 01:53:38.440 Okay, no, yes, absolutely. 01:53:38.520 --> 01:53:42.840 And because you mentioned at the beginning that I'm bringing up the perspective of. 01:53:43.080 --> 01:53:44.760 Of maybe the European. 01:53:44.920 --> 01:53:49.280 And often it's confused that Brussels says something or the European Union 01:53:49.360 --> 01:53:52.080 says something. But here I have to say it's really. 01:53:52.160 --> 01:53:56.280 Yes, member, member states and not only member states. 01:53:56.360 --> 01:54:00.280 We, we are discussing since this morning that it really goes down to 01:54:01.560 --> 01:54:05.080 city, regional, town level. 01:54:05.240 --> 01:54:07.560 So I think that's really important. 01:54:07.640 --> 01:54:14.440 It does not only have to be a national policy, it can also be more regional. 01:54:14.840 --> 01:54:19.280 But nevertheless, I strongly believe that member states have 01:54:19.360 --> 01:54:24.360 to implement it because it is a responsibility and the responsibility 01:54:24.680 --> 01:54:27.880 lies in that space matters. 01:54:28.360 --> 01:54:32.680 So maybe we still have countries where it does not exist. 01:54:32.760 --> 01:54:36.320 But I'm very sure that you have a very supportive. 01:54:36.400 --> 01:54:42.120 That we are hopefully a supportive community to really further develop. 01:54:42.360 --> 01:54:46.440 And I hope that maybe already in the next half year, 01:54:46.520 --> 01:54:50.840 or maybe in one year on the map of Joao Bento, we don't only see Germany 01:54:50.920 --> 01:54:54.360 appearing, but a few other of the yellow countries. 01:54:54.520 --> 01:54:58.120 And maybe our Czech colleagues would also be part of it. 01:54:58.920 --> 01:54:59.960 Thank you very much. 01:55:00.040 --> 01:55:01.960 So goes to the Petre. 01:55:02.760 --> 01:55:07.240 How do countries treat national architectural policies and what 01:55:07.400 --> 01:55:09.560 are the actual outcomes? 01:55:09.640 --> 01:55:15.360 You said something about the Czech situation, but you can maybe you can say 01:55:15.440 --> 01:55:20.840 something more related to the architectural policy in Czech Republic. 01:55:20.920 --> 01:55:25.080 Okay, so we do have architecture policy for the last 10 years. 01:55:25.800 --> 01:55:30.000 But there are no outcomes, to be honest, because it's very abstract, 01:55:30.080 --> 01:55:36.200 it's on the state level and the state is not able to use it somehow. 01:55:36.520 --> 01:55:38.680 So in the end it's everything like button up. 01:55:38.760 --> 01:55:42.760 It's up the cities, up the architects to deal with the situation 01:55:43.400 --> 01:55:46.040 and to make the best they can do. 01:55:46.440 --> 01:55:47.480 So I'm sorry for that. 01:55:47.560 --> 01:55:52.040 That even though we have also like the second edition of the architecture policy. 01:55:52.920 --> 01:55:56.520 So every time when I'm talking to ministries, 01:55:57.000 --> 01:55:59.720 they say, no, no, it's not now, it's not time. 01:55:59.960 --> 01:56:01.960 Now we are dealing with COVID crisis. 01:56:02.040 --> 01:56:06.120 The next year it's, you know, now it's Ukraine war. 01:56:06.200 --> 01:56:10.840 So every time it's something much more important at the moment to deal with than 01:56:10.920 --> 01:56:14.520 something with what will be important for the future. 01:56:14.920 --> 01:56:21.160 So that's the problem that everybody looks somehow the next day, so there is no 01:56:21.960 --> 01:56:26.880 proper planning and they don't see any benefits. 01:56:26.960 --> 01:56:33.560 To look forward to five, 10 or 20 years somehow or it's 01:56:33.960 --> 01:56:38.240 very maybe complicated issue because every time 01:56:38.320 --> 01:56:41.600 I'm saying it's a complex and it's 01:56:42.800 --> 01:56:45.360 holistic approach and everybody is scared, 01:56:45.920 --> 01:56:50.200 everybody's running away because they are trying 01:56:50.280 --> 01:56:55.600 to solve problems and somebody will 01:56:56.560 --> 01:56:57.920 come and say it should be 01:56:59.520 --> 01:57:02.240 things together, because that's the point. 01:57:02.560 --> 01:57:04.480 Otherwise you will just. 01:57:04.600 --> 01:57:06.920 Just follow some blind road. 01:57:07.240 --> 01:57:09.480 So they are scared of me. So that's the problem. 01:57:09.720 --> 01:57:14.920 So we are trying to persuade the politician that they should really 01:57:15.080 --> 01:57:21.560 think the things in complexity and they will then benefit from it. 01:57:21.640 --> 01:57:27.560 But that's the hard thing to really persuade them that there is some result, 01:57:27.800 --> 01:57:29.960 that it's so much important to care. 01:57:31.360 --> 01:57:36.640 I wanted to say that your speech 01:57:38.160 --> 01:57:41.440 reflect me the situation which we have 01:57:41.760 --> 01:57:45.960 in Poland that all the time is something 01:57:48.800 --> 01:57:51.120 much more important than architecture. 01:57:53.600 --> 01:57:58.640 Maybe this is because the politicians are living in the cadences terms. 01:58:00.000 --> 01:58:04.160 So this is sometimes four, sometimes five years. 01:58:04.720 --> 01:58:09.120 And if the result of the implementation 01:58:09.360 --> 01:58:15.600 of the law will be not seen at this term, 01:58:16.640 --> 01:58:18.160 they are not interested. 01:58:19.520 --> 01:58:23.680 So we can observe this especially 01:58:24.000 --> 01:58:27.680 in the architectural competitions, because 01:58:29.840 --> 01:58:32.000 just before the elections 01:58:33.360 --> 01:58:39.640 the association of Polish Architects are asked to do the competition. 01:58:39.720 --> 01:58:44.640 But the result have to be just two weeks before the election, 01:58:45.360 --> 01:58:49.680 because then we can show what we can build in the future with this. 01:58:50.000 --> 01:58:51.800 Okay, but this is different topic. 01:58:51.880 --> 01:58:57.840 But I think this somehow related to the architectural policy. 01:58:58.800 --> 01:59:04.800 Anda what systemic tools can support architectural policy 01:59:04.880 --> 01:59:06.240 at the national level? 01:59:07.120 --> 01:59:09.840 Yes, I can tell about our country for sure. 01:59:10.560 --> 01:59:14.160 What we have is existing tools. 01:59:14.720 --> 01:59:16.480 More I would say advisory. 01:59:16.960 --> 01:59:20.560 We have nice color in the map as having policy. 01:59:21.440 --> 01:59:24.360 We have Latvian architectural strategy. 01:59:24.440 --> 01:59:28.640 For 2022, 27 it works. 01:59:29.520 --> 01:59:33.520 We have National Architectural Council under the Ministry of Culture, 01:59:33.600 --> 01:59:39.840 which is good as advisory body and can help and support also documents, 01:59:39.920 --> 01:59:41.200 letters, declarations. 01:59:42.160 --> 01:59:44.720 We adopted Davos Declaration 01:59:45.600 --> 01:59:49.600 2018 and we also adopted the 01:59:50.880 --> 01:59:53.440 new European Bauhaus principles for 01:59:54.880 --> 01:59:58.480 implementation in our everyday work. 02:00:00.320 --> 02:00:01.200 What we have. 02:00:01.680 --> 02:00:06.560 Just few days ago our Law on Architecture was submitted 02:00:06.640 --> 02:00:09.120 for interministerial coordination. 02:00:09.840 --> 02:00:15.080 It took I guess more than 15 years, 15 years to arrive there. 02:00:15.320 --> 02:00:18.920 And we are crossing fingers to get the next 02:00:19.000 --> 02:00:25.240 steps because next year, as I heard, we have elections and seems that elections 02:00:25.320 --> 02:00:29.240 might be a threat for smooth procedures. 02:00:30.440 --> 02:00:36.680 We worked one year with 154 objections 02:00:37.720 --> 02:00:39.640 with the law was everyday work. 02:00:39.720 --> 02:00:44.040 Thanks to my colleague Dzaintra here from Ministry Culture with a tough 02:00:44.120 --> 02:00:47.800 everyday work every week and regular meetings. 02:00:48.360 --> 02:00:54.920 And we still we gave for our Architectural association 02:00:55.160 --> 02:00:59.040 the main priority to work with Law on Architecture. 02:00:59.120 --> 02:01:02.560 And we will see ourselves as a competent 02:01:02.640 --> 02:01:06.520 partner for future legal changes. 02:01:06.600 --> 02:01:12.360 And because it's not just law is a never ending and tough work on this. 02:01:12.840 --> 02:01:19.000 And okay, yeah, we see our association, our work as a real institutional 02:01:19.080 --> 02:01:21.160 instrument and we will keep on this. 02:01:22.920 --> 02:01:25.960 Thank you, Martina. 02:01:26.600 --> 02:01:31.320 Can internationally active architects still design with the sensitivity 02:01:31.840 --> 02:01:33.520 to national identity? 02:01:35.840 --> 02:01:40.400 So I personally believe, and this is my own personal opinion 02:01:40.720 --> 02:01:45.680 that is not necessarily true, that one, or at least in this time, 02:01:45.920 --> 02:01:49.760 we don't really have to erect new barriers and say only Polish architects can build 02:01:49.840 --> 02:01:52.880 in Poland, only English architects can build in England. 02:01:53.200 --> 02:01:56.840 First of all, English architects, they have all sorts of nationalities 02:01:56.920 --> 02:01:58.200 within their offices anyway. 02:01:58.840 --> 02:02:05.520 But also cities like Gdansk is proof that loads of people came here and created 02:02:05.600 --> 02:02:10.600 this culture as a trading city with people coming from all over the trading of Europe 02:02:10.680 --> 02:02:14.600 and beyond, that created the architecture that is so special here. 02:02:15.240 --> 02:02:18.560 And in the same way, in the Middle Ages, 02:02:18.640 --> 02:02:22.760 the building masters before, you know, before the term architect was invented, 02:02:22.920 --> 02:02:27.520 were traveling across Europe and delivered very small specific Gothic architecture 02:02:27.680 --> 02:02:31.040 across Europe, where the same builders that were traveling around 02:02:31.600 --> 02:02:38.400 and then their language, the language of the Gothic period, evolved with that. 02:02:38.560 --> 02:02:43.800 So I think that that cross fertilization of culture is 02:02:43.880 --> 02:02:45.280 something that we should cherish. 02:02:45.680 --> 02:02:50.080 What we have to watch out is not the international is what cultural 02:02:50.160 --> 02:02:51.760 architects want to represent. Represent. 02:02:51.840 --> 02:02:55.840 If they want to represent the culture of the exploitative, 02:02:57.280 --> 02:03:01.760 financialized architecture, maybe that is not the culture we want 02:03:03.280 --> 02:03:05.360 and therefore we want to choose another culture. 02:03:05.440 --> 02:03:10.240 But that is not necessarily a national issue. 02:03:10.800 --> 02:03:16.800 And I think architects are trained to look at context and that is what we should 02:03:17.680 --> 02:03:19.040 promote and aim for. 02:03:19.840 --> 02:03:21.440 Thank you. Thank you very much. 02:03:21.680 --> 02:03:24.400 Rather than passports and you know, rather Than the passport. 02:03:24.480 --> 02:03:25.680 Isaac Only credential. 02:03:27.280 --> 02:03:27.920 Martin. 02:03:29.200 --> 02:03:34.720 How can we resist architectural uniformity caused by global trends? 02:03:37.680 --> 02:03:39.200 Yeah, that's a difficult one. 02:03:40.960 --> 02:03:42.880 It's not only through 02:03:45.720 --> 02:03:49.240 regulations of having policies, it is 02:03:50.360 --> 02:03:57.320 mainly of organizing a culture of getting inspired. 02:03:59.640 --> 02:04:04.040 I've noticed personally when I work at cities or 02:04:06.360 --> 02:04:11.160 most of my colleagues did not travel, did not visit other cities, 02:04:11.320 --> 02:04:13.760 did not visit nearby cities, did not. 02:04:14.320 --> 02:04:18.560 That's only a few, I would say. 02:04:21.360 --> 02:04:23.440 Maybe it's only the elite, I don't know. 02:04:23.520 --> 02:04:29.280 But a lot of my colleagues did not travel, didn't go to other cities, 02:04:29.360 --> 02:04:30.640 did not get inspired. 02:04:31.200 --> 02:04:37.960 So it is in order to widen your horizon as a planner or as a politician, etc. 02:04:38.040 --> 02:04:41.400 You need to travel, you need to visit other cities, 02:04:41.480 --> 02:04:47.720 you need to Visit best practices, etc. 02:04:48.680 --> 02:04:53.000 In the past decades we all had magazines, we all had subscriptions, we have 02:04:54.040 --> 02:04:57.240 libraries full of magazines up to date. 02:04:57.480 --> 02:05:01.800 Now it is Internet, et cetera, so you can find your way. 02:05:02.200 --> 02:05:08.120 But it is very much important to visit cities like Gdansk again, 02:05:08.520 --> 02:05:11.480 to go to a city like Lubeck or. 02:05:11.960 --> 02:05:14.120 Or to Hamburg or whatever. 02:05:14.440 --> 02:05:20.680 But go there and be inspired and get in contact with all the planners. 02:05:21.240 --> 02:05:22.920 That is more important than 02:05:26.440 --> 02:05:29.560 how can we make sure that we not building, 02:05:30.200 --> 02:05:36.400 that we're not copying the best successes of other cities in your own city, but. 02:05:37.920 --> 02:05:43.000 But try to get inspired by the process, by the genius of the place, 02:05:43.080 --> 02:05:44.160 et cetera, et cetera. 02:05:45.840 --> 02:05:47.680 And I think that's very much important. 02:05:49.200 --> 02:05:51.280 Thank you, Ruth. 02:05:51.840 --> 02:05:58.160 How does ACE promote architectural quality standards across Europe? 02:05:59.920 --> 02:06:04.320 First of all, I want to say that ACE does not impose standards. 02:06:04.400 --> 02:06:08.280 It's really about connecting them, learning from each other, 02:06:08.360 --> 02:06:10.120 listening to each other. 02:06:10.520 --> 02:06:14.360 And in the Architects Council of Europe, we work through dialog, 02:06:14.600 --> 02:06:15.960 we work through research. 02:06:16.440 --> 02:06:21.280 We saw Joao Bento's publication on which he worked, for example, Exactly. 02:06:21.360 --> 02:06:23.720 To give the overview of the situation. 02:06:24.120 --> 02:06:28.560 And we always have to keep in mind that in the Architects council we have 52 02:06:28.640 --> 02:06:31.320 member organizations covering 36 countries, 02:06:31.920 --> 02:06:35.520 which also means different languages, different cultural background, 02:06:36.000 --> 02:06:40.480 and this is, let's say, the diversity and the power that we have 02:06:40.800 --> 02:06:43.760 in the Architects Council of Europe. 02:06:44.400 --> 02:06:49.600 Myself, I believe that architectural quality is not subjective and can be 02:06:49.680 --> 02:06:53.120 defined, can be promoted and also protected. 02:06:53.840 --> 02:06:59.120 And therefore, I want to reflect also additionally on 02:07:00.240 --> 02:07:04.560 my previous colleague, because we have the incredible chance 02:07:04.640 --> 02:07:07.760 that architecture and urban planning can be experienced. 02:07:08.480 --> 02:07:11.680 It's nothing that remains in a book or 02:07:11.760 --> 02:07:16.160 in legal law, on the desk of a politician. 02:07:16.560 --> 02:07:17.600 We can go out. 02:07:17.680 --> 02:07:21.360 And what I experience in the European context at the moment, 02:07:21.440 --> 02:07:27.240 and which has changed since 2019, is that there is an original interest 02:07:27.880 --> 02:07:31.880 on the side of the Commission, on the side of the European Parliament, 02:07:31.960 --> 02:07:35.480 to experience these great 02:07:37.000 --> 02:07:39.880 development in developments that we have 02:07:40.360 --> 02:07:43.400 in Europe, considering our living space. 02:07:43.480 --> 02:07:46.280 And I think we have to encourage much more, 02:07:48.120 --> 02:07:51.400 everyone, finance people, politicians, 02:07:53.560 --> 02:07:56.760 to go out and to experience what is around 02:07:57.240 --> 02:07:59.400 us, what makes the difference. 02:07:59.720 --> 02:08:02.680 And I think the big challenge is to explain the concept, 02:08:02.760 --> 02:08:05.560 because we have great examples, we know the outcome, 02:08:05.640 --> 02:08:10.200 we know quality can be achieved, but we have to make understandable 02:08:10.760 --> 02:08:13.080 what was the process to get there. 02:08:13.640 --> 02:08:15.800 Was it public participation? 02:08:16.040 --> 02:08:18.440 Was it the holistic approach? 02:08:19.000 --> 02:08:21.720 And these concepts in the background can be different. 02:08:22.360 --> 02:08:27.800 But I'm sure if we look at it closely, we come to the same values and they are 02:08:27.880 --> 02:08:32.200 enshrined in the Davos Declaration, in the new European Bauhaus. 02:08:32.440 --> 02:08:38.600 So there is already so much outside and we try to really promote it and advocate it 02:08:38.920 --> 02:08:43.880 together and not only discuss it, but really show the existing examples. 02:08:44.520 --> 02:08:48.160 Thank you. This is very great role in, in the. 02:08:48.240 --> 02:08:50.440 In the promotion. Thank you very much. 02:08:51.560 --> 02:08:53.320 Petra, maybe something positive. 02:08:53.480 --> 02:08:57.800 Can the adaptation and revitalization of historical. 02:08:59.080 --> 02:08:59.480 Can. 02:08:59.720 --> 02:09:04.320 Can the adaptation and revitalization of historical buildings be a part 02:09:04.400 --> 02:09:07.160 of the national identity Strategy? 02:09:09.080 --> 02:09:11.160 It is, but it should be definitely. 02:09:11.240 --> 02:09:17.440 And that's also the answer towards, say, the regionality in architecture 02:09:18.720 --> 02:09:20.320 as a whole. So definitely. 02:09:20.400 --> 02:09:22.240 And that's what Ruth said. 02:09:22.880 --> 02:09:28.080 The main really goal is the local environment, like the cities, the local 02:09:28.160 --> 02:09:29.840 people, because they are living in it. 02:09:30.080 --> 02:09:32.720 So they in fact are the beneficiaries. 02:09:32.960 --> 02:09:39.120 And they should be aware, okay, we maybe have to help them to know where 02:09:39.200 --> 02:09:41.920 they are living, what are the qualities and what are the. 02:09:45.200 --> 02:09:48.800 What they should be and have to be proud of. 02:09:49.040 --> 02:09:53.440 And that's the core, in fact, because if the locals are 02:09:54.480 --> 02:09:59.600 proud of their local environment, then they are kind of feeling safe, that 02:09:59.840 --> 02:10:06.760 they are really good citizens in the end. 02:10:06.840 --> 02:10:09.040 So that's the main goal, I don't think. 02:10:09.440 --> 02:10:13.440 And everything should go towards that local entity. 02:10:13.680 --> 02:10:19.760 So like the state have to help the cities to get. 02:10:19.840 --> 02:10:22.880 Know where they are living, how they can improve the environment. 02:10:23.360 --> 02:10:27.120 Because if the, because the people are living somewhere, it's not. 02:10:27.600 --> 02:10:31.600 They are not living in Czech Republic, they are living in some special city. 02:10:31.840 --> 02:10:37.440 And that's, that's the main thing really, to help them find out where they are 02:10:37.520 --> 02:10:41.040 living, what are the qualities, and encourage them to really 02:10:41.120 --> 02:10:43.400 care about their own environment. 02:10:43.800 --> 02:10:48.840 And it's my personal feeling that then everything will be much more better. 02:10:49.640 --> 02:10:51.240 Thank you. Thank you very much. 02:10:52.040 --> 02:10:56.320 Anda, what is the role of the stakeholders 02:10:56.400 --> 02:11:00.840 and the Ministry of Culture in initiating policy frameworks? 02:11:01.400 --> 02:11:04.520 Yes, good, Good question for our. 02:11:05.960 --> 02:11:11.480 I will tell now about law on architecture, because I I explained our policies already 02:11:12.440 --> 02:11:14.200 for the law and architecture. 02:11:15.160 --> 02:11:20.320 Basic stakeholders are association of Architects and association 02:11:20.400 --> 02:11:21.960 of Landscape Architects. 02:11:22.200 --> 02:11:28.520 Unfortunately, we didn't came to compromise with urban planners on. 02:11:29.160 --> 02:11:34.040 So we cannot cover content of urban planning in our law of architecture. 02:11:34.840 --> 02:11:36.440 I must recognize this. 02:11:39.880 --> 02:11:42.200 And so we are creating content. 02:11:42.360 --> 02:11:47.680 The basic content of the law and the role of Ministry of Culture is. 02:11:47.760 --> 02:11:52.760 Ministry is responsible for processing the law and gives huge support 02:11:53.480 --> 02:11:57.200 and huge resources for legal work. 02:11:57.440 --> 02:12:01.920 And in some sometimes even the personal support of the Minister. 02:12:02.640 --> 02:12:06.800 When we need more, yes, more support. 02:12:07.600 --> 02:12:12.640 And then we also other involved parties Ministry 02:12:12.720 --> 02:12:17.320 of Economy, because construction sector with all the legislation is 02:12:17.400 --> 02:12:18.640 under Ministry of Economy. 02:12:18.960 --> 02:12:24.760 And the most of objections and discussions is with Ministry of Economy. 02:12:25.000 --> 02:12:28.680 But we found good compromises. 02:12:28.760 --> 02:12:29.800 I hope so. 02:12:30.280 --> 02:12:35.080 And then the more sensitive subjects we 02:12:36.360 --> 02:12:38.640 get, the more involved parties 02:12:38.720 --> 02:12:44.480 and stakeholders arrives like Ministry of Justice to check all the legal 02:12:44.560 --> 02:12:50.360 bases and changes of in other documents, real estate associations. 02:12:50.840 --> 02:12:54.760 And sometimes is a little bit paradox 02:12:54.840 --> 02:13:01.120 to discover that when we talk about self governance in future about architectural 02:13:01.200 --> 02:13:05.800 chamber, we can use much more arguments 02:13:06.600 --> 02:13:09.320 with the law of attorney instead of 02:13:09.960 --> 02:13:13.880 subject of architecture and similar chambers across Europe. 02:13:14.440 --> 02:13:15.960 This is reality. 02:13:16.280 --> 02:13:18.320 So thank you. Naturally. 02:13:18.640 --> 02:13:20.960 Thank you very much, Martina. 02:13:22.720 --> 02:13:29.680 Architecture is responsible for 30% of emissions in Europe. 02:13:31.360 --> 02:13:36.240 Why is not the focus of emission reduction national pleasures? 02:13:37.280 --> 02:13:41.600 Yes, I'm really glad you asked this, because this is a great opportunity. 02:13:41.680 --> 02:13:45.920 The Architects Council of Europe is here, the European Council 02:13:46.000 --> 02:13:48.360 for Town Planning is here. And this is. 02:13:48.600 --> 02:13:55.000 I think this is where we as a profession, or we as professionals are absent. 02:13:55.640 --> 02:13:58.200 Maybe because the architects are part of. 02:13:58.280 --> 02:14:00.880 Or architecture is the domain of the Ministry of Culture. 02:14:00.960 --> 02:14:05.080 Ministry of Culture is not part of the preparation of the national 02:14:06.280 --> 02:14:07.400 determined contribution. 02:14:07.480 --> 02:14:12.120 So the pledges for carbon reduction that the countries have to present every 02:14:12.200 --> 02:14:15.400 few years there is a round being prepared at the moment. 02:14:16.040 --> 02:14:20.680 And the content or the pledges that are made in reducing 02:14:21.800 --> 02:14:26.520 carbon emissions in the built environment are really very vague, very low. 02:14:26.600 --> 02:14:31.240 They talk about partnerships, they are by and large absent 02:14:31.560 --> 02:14:34.520 from many of the European pledges. 02:14:35.880 --> 02:14:40.680 And that despite the fact that in Europe cities are the big emitters, 02:14:40.760 --> 02:14:44.360 because we are advanced economies, we are not big industrial economies. 02:14:44.440 --> 02:14:47.800 We no longer or we are phasing out coal very rapidly. 02:14:48.200 --> 02:14:52.200 So we are cities is the thing that we have to tackle. 02:14:52.680 --> 02:14:56.400 And yet the built environment is by and large 02:14:56.480 --> 02:15:02.320 absent from the contributions the national determine contributions. 02:15:03.840 --> 02:15:07.520 While instead, for example, the transport associations have published 02:15:07.600 --> 02:15:12.400 templates how to put those targets in the national. 02:15:12.480 --> 02:15:16.480 You know, in the NDCs, in the pledges, they have provided templates, 02:15:16.560 --> 02:15:19.600 they have provided examples, they have provided some metrics 02:15:19.680 --> 02:15:21.560 to guide the countries to include that. 02:15:21.640 --> 02:15:24.520 That has not maybe happened, but at least the associations are 02:15:24.600 --> 02:15:26.480 active and they're showing the way. 02:15:26.920 --> 02:15:31.640 And I really think that we here, and the city architects and all of us here 02:15:31.880 --> 02:15:35.600 should really promote that as one of the big things that we have 02:15:35.680 --> 02:15:37.240 to achieve in the next few years. 02:15:38.120 --> 02:15:39.800 Thank you. Thank you very much. 02:15:40.840 --> 02:15:41.480 Martin. 02:15:42.520 --> 02:15:49.160 Can European special planning policies be harmonized with the local identity 02:15:53.000 --> 02:15:53.320 this time? 02:15:53.400 --> 02:15:57.400 A short question, a short answer, a short answer. 02:15:59.000 --> 02:16:04.280 If local identity is excluded from European spatial policies, 02:16:04.360 --> 02:16:10.600 then the spatial policies are non existent, are useless, etc. 02:16:10.680 --> 02:16:16.200 So yes, it should enhance local identity, 02:16:17.240 --> 02:16:21.120 otherwise stuff it nonsense. 02:16:21.360 --> 02:16:23.680 So, so it's simple like that. 02:16:24.640 --> 02:16:26.880 Thank you, Ruth. 02:16:27.120 --> 02:16:32.120 So now, now we started the, the last turn of the questions because we 02:16:32.200 --> 02:16:38.560 have a lack of time, but, but Forgive us this 5 minutes delay. 02:16:39.280 --> 02:16:45.280 Does Inter country dialog lead to unification or promote diversity? 02:16:47.160 --> 02:16:48.040 I will be brief. 02:16:49.000 --> 02:16:51.640 I say yes, it does both. 02:16:52.200 --> 02:16:56.040 And that is the greatest strength that we have in Europe. 02:16:56.600 --> 02:16:59.680 And dialog leads to shared understanding. 02:16:59.760 --> 02:17:02.560 But now we have to think about to whom do we have to. 02:17:02.640 --> 02:17:05.000 With whom do we have to have this dialog? 02:17:05.080 --> 02:17:09.000 The dialog amongst us as professional already exists a long time. 02:17:09.320 --> 02:17:14.520 You mentioned the politicians and you mentioned elections. 02:17:14.840 --> 02:17:19.800 So we have, I think, I believe we have to rethink that we are also voters. 02:17:20.200 --> 02:17:26.920 No, we as architects and many more, we vote and I think this right of voting, 02:17:27.000 --> 02:17:28.520 I know you, you are very. 02:17:29.320 --> 02:17:33.600 I think these architects are not the best target for the politicians. 02:17:33.680 --> 02:17:34.440 Yes, but. 02:17:34.600 --> 02:17:38.320 But here I have to say, I think we are not yet there, 02:17:38.400 --> 02:17:43.600 that our narrative is enshrined in the European citizens. 02:17:43.680 --> 02:17:48.480 I think that is still a huge vessel to move. 02:17:48.880 --> 02:17:53.960 Because if I look at the House Europe, this is a European initiative where we as 02:17:54.040 --> 02:17:57.040 Europeans have a voice towards the European Commission. 02:17:57.520 --> 02:18:02.960 In a half of a year, we have only managed to collect 20,000 signatures. 02:18:03.600 --> 02:18:04.560 What does that mean? 02:18:04.640 --> 02:18:08.480 That means the narrative has not yet arrived to the citizens. 02:18:08.560 --> 02:18:14.000 And I believe the demand has to come from the European citizens towards quality. 02:18:14.080 --> 02:18:20.400 That's the only way how we can, let's say, think about our politicians. 02:18:20.880 --> 02:18:24.320 So that really means, I think we still have a long way to go, 02:18:24.400 --> 02:18:26.320 but we are already on that path. 02:18:26.880 --> 02:18:31.440 And I would like to invite you all, please look at the initiative, 02:18:31.920 --> 02:18:33.360 sign this initiative. 02:18:33.440 --> 02:18:36.640 It is your voice that you may count in Europe. 02:18:37.040 --> 02:18:39.600 Sorry for being so engaged. 02:18:41.600 --> 02:18:45.120 Thank you. Thank you very much, Petra. 02:18:45.760 --> 02:18:51.360 I will ask a little bit about the education, how we can educate about 02:18:52.720 --> 02:18:55.280 society, about the conscious 02:18:55.760 --> 02:19:00.040 spatial design Is a need for that. 02:19:02.120 --> 02:19:06.920 It should be somehow obligatory to go that way. 02:19:07.880 --> 02:19:08.960 It's a broad question. 02:19:09.040 --> 02:19:12.360 We are in fact in the process in Czech Republic at the moment, 02:19:12.440 --> 02:19:15.200 for the last five years, so it's not easy to answer it. 02:19:15.880 --> 02:19:22.200 But anyway, yes, architects should be involved, but they should 02:19:23.600 --> 02:19:25.680 say that there is a need for 02:19:29.840 --> 02:19:31.960 getting known about the local environment, 02:19:32.040 --> 02:19:37.040 as I said beforehand, and encourage the people to 02:19:38.360 --> 02:19:39.920 be responsible for the environment. 02:19:41.040 --> 02:19:45.960 So yes, in fact, we in the Czech Chamber, 02:19:46.040 --> 02:19:49.200 we already have some list of, let's say, 02:19:51.840 --> 02:19:54.440 1 or 200 of architects who are 02:19:54.880 --> 02:19:57.760 prepared to help the schools in education. 02:19:58.960 --> 02:20:03.960 So architects are somehow prepared, but the process is kind of complicated 02:20:04.040 --> 02:20:09.840 because we need to get that the architects are happy to help 02:20:10.360 --> 02:20:13.480 to the schools, to the local teachers. 02:20:13.560 --> 02:20:20.040 And that's kind of a tricky process because how to spread 02:20:20.120 --> 02:20:21.280 information around them. 02:20:21.360 --> 02:20:22.560 So it's not that easy. 02:20:23.280 --> 02:20:26.280 We are trying through Ministry of Education and so on. 02:20:26.800 --> 02:20:30.560 So hopefully we will arrive at the point that every school, every teacher 02:20:31.960 --> 02:20:37.440 knows that architects are prepared to help them in education and. 02:20:37.520 --> 02:20:38.200 Exactly. 02:20:38.280 --> 02:20:42.440 We are not educating architects, we are educating the people to be 02:20:43.000 --> 02:20:48.320 good citizens, to be responsible, to know what is wrong and what is good 02:20:48.400 --> 02:20:53.320 in their local environment and just to encourage the awareness. 02:20:53.720 --> 02:20:57.080 And after that I think it will be much more better. 02:20:57.880 --> 02:20:59.800 Thank you. Thank you very much. 02:20:59.880 --> 02:21:02.360 Our Chamber of Architects has also the program, 02:21:04.760 --> 02:21:09.800 this is the designing of the space for the 02:21:10.920 --> 02:21:15.000 ground school and and secondary school. 02:21:15.080 --> 02:21:22.040 I think that it is great success for teaching the people, the young people, 02:21:22.200 --> 02:21:29.080 how to see the environment around us and what we can do with that. 02:21:30.200 --> 02:21:36.360 Anda, what are the real impacts of architectural policy in Latvia? 02:21:36.440 --> 02:21:40.760 If you see the impact, I would say is a bit scattered. 02:21:41.720 --> 02:21:44.040 I will tell you about several points. 02:21:44.120 --> 02:21:50.960 First, working with law on architecture, we create important dialog and we 02:21:51.040 --> 02:21:53.720 create a network of collaboration. 02:21:53.960 --> 02:22:00.280 We see that we are not alone anymore and we disseminate the knowledge 02:22:00.360 --> 02:22:01.360 about architecture. 02:22:01.440 --> 02:22:07.280 We use this also these conversations as a tool to get people more involved. 02:22:08.000 --> 02:22:12.520 And we get to some recognitions that architecture has 02:22:12.600 --> 02:22:14.720 a value and cultural importance. 02:22:15.200 --> 02:22:20.400 And then, yes, we can get immediate support from Ministry of Culture 02:22:20.480 --> 02:22:25.200 when is needed, is not by chance as a result of policy. 02:22:26.160 --> 02:22:32.800 And we recognize nationally and regionally the importance of architecture 02:22:33.520 --> 02:22:38.200 Architectural design contest, which is not default. 02:22:38.840 --> 02:22:43.960 I heard in many countries there are problems in Latvia is highly recognized. 02:22:45.000 --> 02:22:51.320 And last but not least, we have financial support from 02:22:51.960 --> 02:22:57.960 the Ministry of Culture and other financial tools to talk about 02:22:58.520 --> 02:23:01.400 architecture, to disseminate the knowledge 02:23:01.880 --> 02:23:05.560 and to be competent and contractual 02:23:05.640 --> 02:23:08.440 partner for some institutions as. 02:23:09.240 --> 02:23:09.840 How to say? 02:23:09.920 --> 02:23:13.720 As a concentrate of knowledge for architecture. 02:23:13.880 --> 02:23:14.520 Thank You. 02:23:15.320 --> 02:23:16.240 Thank you very much. 02:23:16.320 --> 02:23:22.120 Martina, do current academic programs support reflection on local specificity? 02:23:25.160 --> 02:23:27.560 Do you see any relation with that? 02:23:29.160 --> 02:23:34.040 I am not entirely sure, sure, because I'm not an academic. 02:23:34.120 --> 02:23:40.120 But what I can say is that there is an element that needs to be considered 02:23:40.200 --> 02:23:44.480 that is the balance between the local specificity and the local 02:23:45.360 --> 02:23:48.480 language, the local system of construction, et cetera, 02:23:48.640 --> 02:23:53.040 that need to be balanced with the international element of we all have 02:23:53.120 --> 02:23:57.520 to go towards net zero, we all will have to have solar panels, 02:23:57.600 --> 02:24:01.280 we all will have to have different systems 02:24:01.360 --> 02:24:04.600 of cooling and heating our buildings. 02:24:04.680 --> 02:24:09.520 And so there will be that international dimension that needs to be learned 02:24:09.600 --> 02:24:13.440 alongside the understanding and the development of local languages 02:24:13.520 --> 02:24:16.680 and how the two come together and how we learn from each other. 02:24:16.760 --> 02:24:19.200 You know, same that Martin was saying. 02:24:19.280 --> 02:24:23.600 How do we learn from these experiments, the new materials that are being developed 02:24:23.680 --> 02:24:25.880 across the world, the recycling, 02:24:25.960 --> 02:24:30.040 the dismantling of buildings, all of that are international themes that 02:24:30.120 --> 02:24:32.520 need to be integrated with the local ones. 02:24:33.120 --> 02:24:34.620 Thank you, sir. According. 02:24:34.920 --> 02:24:37.960 What are the best practices in the international cooperation? 02:24:38.040 --> 02:24:38.680 Martin? 02:24:39.880 --> 02:24:46.520 Yes, I must say that I'm a fan, a big fan of 02:24:48.600 --> 02:24:51.440 the international Bauer or Stellung in Germany, 02:24:52.560 --> 02:24:59.200 the international building exhibitions that they hosted and organized 02:24:59.280 --> 02:25:00.480 in the last decades. 02:25:00.720 --> 02:25:06.040 So that is not a one off international competition for an opera 02:25:06.120 --> 02:25:09.840 house or something like that, but for an urban area. 02:25:11.360 --> 02:25:16.720 I've been there as a student, as a professional, I've been to, 02:25:18.680 --> 02:25:23.800 to Berlin, to the Rugbyte, to Hamburg. 02:25:23.880 --> 02:25:29.440 But I also took my colleagues with me, I also took the elder men of the cities I 02:25:29.520 --> 02:25:32.960 worked for to the Rurugebeat, to get inspired, 02:25:34.960 --> 02:25:41.120 to see the best practices, not copying them one to one, 02:25:41.560 --> 02:25:45.600 but to be inspired of what they're doing at other places. 02:25:45.680 --> 02:25:51.560 So I really hope, I really do hope that the new Bauhaus, 02:25:52.440 --> 02:25:57.720 now promoted by the European Union, European Commission, 02:25:59.040 --> 02:26:01.720 will organize something similar. 02:26:01.960 --> 02:26:07.040 But then on the European level, these are projects that last for 10, 02:26:07.560 --> 02:26:11.120 sometimes 20 years and have a long lasting effect. 02:26:13.240 --> 02:26:17.240 And that was for me, very inspirational 02:26:18.040 --> 02:26:21.320 and I learned a lot from it. Thank you. 02:26:21.400 --> 02:26:22.040 Thank you. 02:26:23.320 --> 02:26:28.440 Let me highlight some points from this first plenary session. 02:26:32.360 --> 02:26:36.680 For me, architectural policy is a cultural act. 02:26:38.440 --> 02:26:39.560 This is first one. 02:26:40.120 --> 02:26:45.480 Heritage and modernity are not opposites, they are allies. 02:26:46.440 --> 02:26:47.320 This is second. 02:26:48.120 --> 02:26:52.600 The state has a vital rule, but so do cities. 02:26:54.440 --> 02:26:57.400 And education is essential. 02:26:59.320 --> 02:27:03.400 And finally, architectural policy must be real. 02:27:04.920 --> 02:27:11.400 Thank you very much and I will invite you for the. 02:27:11.480 --> 02:27:14.280 Or I will give you the. Thank you very much for this. 02:27:14.360 --> 02:27:16.920 If you can just say a few more minutes. 02:27:17.880 --> 02:27:19.400 Please take a seat for a sec. 02:27:21.560 --> 02:27:24.360 Just as we are starting the coffee break in a minute. 02:27:24.760 --> 02:27:28.400 I'd like to inform you that maybe we can make it like five or ten minutes longer 02:27:28.480 --> 02:27:32.360 to give you more time to enjoy coffee after this very busy morning, 02:27:32.840 --> 02:27:36.160 since we have a little of the time buffer within the lunchtime, so there 02:27:36.240 --> 02:27:37.960 shouldn't be any problem about that. 02:27:38.040 --> 02:27:41.120 But as I mentioned before, and as it was mentioned in the program, 02:27:41.200 --> 02:27:45.680 this will be an opportunity for you to also explore the exhibition of the Mies 02:27:45.760 --> 02:27:50.200 van der Rohe Awards, which is on the upper floor in the model room. 02:27:50.280 --> 02:27:53.560 But let me invite Ivan Blasi to say a couple of words about that. 02:27:53.800 --> 02:27:54.800 Just two minutes, please. 02:27:54.880 --> 02:27:57.960 Okay, so thank you very much, Piotr. 02:27:58.040 --> 02:28:01.760 And as you were saying, after the break we will be able to share 02:28:01.840 --> 02:28:03.800 with you about the EU Mies Awards. 02:28:03.880 --> 02:28:07.360 But during the break we have this opportunity of having the exhibition 02:28:07.920 --> 02:28:11.960 upstairs around a fantastic model of the city of dansk. 02:28:12.040 --> 02:28:16.760 There are 40 works of architecture that the jury in the last edition chose 02:28:16.840 --> 02:28:20.040 to show to portray some of the most important discussions. 02:28:20.280 --> 02:28:25.760 So Dansk is sharing with the rest of Europe through these projects. 02:28:25.840 --> 02:28:29.160 And we are also kind of getting to know from Dansk 02:28:31.240 --> 02:28:36.920 in the bigger scale of the EU means Awards and the examples that are presented here. 02:28:37.320 --> 02:28:43.800 Different scales, different discussions, but similar realities throughout Europe. 02:28:44.280 --> 02:28:49.400 And there's also a model that we brought of the Bordeaux project by La Caton, 02:28:49.480 --> 02:28:52.560 Vassal, Dro and Hutin, which also speaks of the importance, 02:28:52.640 --> 02:28:56.080 for example, of collective housing, but also about renovation. 02:28:56.160 --> 02:29:01.120 And it also stands for what Ruth was speaking about, the importance of this 02:29:02.000 --> 02:29:05.840 project or this collection of signatures of house Europe, 02:29:06.960 --> 02:29:11.760 to bring new initiatives on new legislations from Europe 02:29:11.920 --> 02:29:14.480 in order to avoid demolishing. 02:29:14.560 --> 02:29:17.840 So I will be upstairs also if there's any questions. 02:29:18.200 --> 02:29:21.040 And also because apart from the single specific case studies, 02:29:21.120 --> 02:29:26.680 we have worked with many institutions to work on research from these examples, 02:29:26.760 --> 02:29:30.960 to speak about housing or to speak about waterfronts, to speak about topics 02:29:31.040 --> 02:29:34.040 which go beyond the specific case studies. So, thank you very much. 02:29:36.600 --> 02:29:37.960 So now, thank you. 02:29:38.040 --> 02:29:41.600 Let me thank our colleague Bisch Lisowski for putting 02:29:41.680 --> 02:29:44.080 together this panel and our panelists. 02:29:46.720 --> 02:29:51.040 Session number two will be shared by architect Richard Gruda. 02:29:51.120 --> 02:29:55.760 I invite to take and introduce 02:29:55.840 --> 02:29:58.640 us into the topic of the session. 02:30:00.640 --> 02:30:02.360 Good afternoon, ladies and gentlemen. 02:30:02.440 --> 02:30:07.120 It is my pleasure to be chairing the second session entitled Architectural 02:30:07.200 --> 02:30:09.520 Policy as a matter of Public interest. 02:30:10.960 --> 02:30:14.840 Architectural Policy is not just the issue of esthetic or technical quality 02:30:14.920 --> 02:30:18.560 of the buildings designed by architects, teams, 02:30:22.880 --> 02:30:27.600 construction teams, but my thesis is, as already mentioned, 02:30:28.800 --> 02:30:32.640 it is a strategic instrument of a conscious public policy, 02:30:32.880 --> 02:30:36.680 taken into account social Aspects, environmental aspects, aspects 02:30:36.760 --> 02:30:38.880 economic and cultural aspects alike. 02:30:38.960 --> 02:30:40.120 And good architecture. 02:30:40.200 --> 02:30:44.720 As we say, quality architecture certainly has 02:30:44.800 --> 02:30:49.360 a direct impact on the economic development is also important 02:30:51.200 --> 02:30:57.680 in our everyday life, which we do not necessarily realize on a daily basis. 02:30:58.800 --> 02:31:02.280 During the panel we will try to define the notion of occupation, 02:31:02.360 --> 02:31:08.360 architectural policy and public topic and mutual relationships. 02:31:09.560 --> 02:31:14.520 We'll discuss the role that architectural policy should play in the public 02:31:15.160 --> 02:31:18.600 governance implements it with the relationship is 02:31:18.680 --> 02:31:23.960 between government, local governments, public institutions and society. 02:31:24.520 --> 02:31:27.840 What the European Union is and what challenges lie ahead. 02:31:29.280 --> 02:31:34.640 The discussion is going to involve architects for informers, but also 02:31:35.200 --> 02:31:41.200 representatives of local governments, public institutions and academia. 02:31:44.200 --> 02:31:50.800 In the panel we were supposed to have Magdalena Kosicek, an mp 02:31:52.640 --> 02:31:58.440 Republic of Poland, a lawyer by education, who is the head of the subcommittee for 02:31:58.520 --> 02:32:00.880 Construction, Spatial Economy and housing. 02:32:01.520 --> 02:32:08.000 But unfortunately, today there is a sitting of the government 02:32:08.080 --> 02:32:09.680 related to the vote of confidence. 02:32:09.760 --> 02:32:15.120 So the post know how important a day it is and also important to the government. 02:32:15.280 --> 02:32:18.000 That is why the presence of our guest 02:32:18.880 --> 02:32:23.360 in Warsaw is justified and we understand 02:32:24.760 --> 02:32:26.120 that she cannot be with us. 02:32:26.200 --> 02:32:29.880 Before we start discussing, we'll listen to three contributions 02:32:29.960 --> 02:32:35.480 from the experts who, from the perspective of their respective 02:32:35.560 --> 02:32:38.120 new member states, will present the possibility 02:32:38.200 --> 02:32:40.760 of shaping architectural policy. 02:32:40.840 --> 02:32:43.960 We'll hear from Rita Karsten, Ivan Blassi and Diana Sepio. 02:32:44.200 --> 02:32:49.320 Why don't we start from a few words from Nita Kasten? 02:32:50.280 --> 02:32:55.080 She is an expert director General 02:32:55.160 --> 02:32:57.640 Education, Youth, Sport and Culture. 02:32:59.240 --> 02:33:03.640 She has a considerable impact on the shaping of the EU policy, 02:33:05.000 --> 02:33:07.360 within which architecture is one of the areas. 02:33:07.440 --> 02:33:10.840 CITA coordinates multiple initiatives concerning European cities, 02:33:13.480 --> 02:33:18.360 with emphasis on the quality architecture, the impact of architecture 02:33:18.440 --> 02:33:19.960 onto the environment. 02:33:20.840 --> 02:33:21.800 Undoubtedly, 02:33:25.560 --> 02:33:30.360 participation in today's and yesterday's 02:33:30.440 --> 02:33:33.800 conference is an honor to us Utah. 02:33:35.400 --> 02:33:38.720 So thank you very much for the introduction. 02:33:41.040 --> 02:33:41.440 Yeah. 02:33:41.520 --> 02:33:45.360 Ladies and gentlemen, dear colleagues, thank you for the opportunity 02:33:45.440 --> 02:33:50.400 to contribute to this important session and to feed into the discussions 02:33:50.480 --> 02:33:52.320 we will hear later today. 02:33:53.840 --> 02:33:58.320 It is a pleasure to reflect with you on how quality architecture. 02:34:00.480 --> 02:34:02.080 Yeah, how quality. 02:34:02.320 --> 02:34:07.120 It's a pleasure to reflect with you on how quality architecture policy 02:34:07.280 --> 02:34:08.960 serves the public interest. 02:34:09.600 --> 02:34:16.240 A subject that could not be more relevant to the transformations of our societies 02:34:16.640 --> 02:34:21.400 are undergoing architecture, as we know and we have heard 02:34:21.480 --> 02:34:27.480 already a lot this morning, and you might hear some of the keywords 02:34:27.560 --> 02:34:31.680 that guide our policy making again and again. 02:34:31.760 --> 02:34:32.280 But this. 02:34:32.520 --> 02:34:37.800 This means that it reflects our common interests and it reflects also that we 02:34:37.880 --> 02:34:42.920 speak the same languages when we cooperate with our stakeholders or partners, 02:34:43.000 --> 02:34:45.320 like the Architects Council of Europe. 02:34:46.680 --> 02:34:52.280 Architecture, as you know, is not merely a technical or esthetic matter. 02:34:52.840 --> 02:34:57.320 It is a cultural, environmental and democratic issue. 02:34:58.440 --> 02:35:03.040 Our built environment shapes how we live and interact, 02:35:03.680 --> 02:35:10.560 how resilient our communities are, and how we relate to our past and the future. 02:35:11.600 --> 02:35:15.680 Because indeed, architecture is public by nature. 02:35:16.440 --> 02:35:19.200 It shapes the way we live, move, 02:35:19.680 --> 02:35:23.840 interact and feel every single. 02:35:25.520 --> 02:35:31.840 The built environment is not a backdrop somewhere to have and live before. 02:35:32.560 --> 02:35:35.280 No, it is the stage of our lives. 02:35:36.560 --> 02:35:42.560 So when we talk about architectural policy, we are talking about the public 02:35:43.040 --> 02:35:48.480 interest, your interest in its most tangible form. 02:35:50.960 --> 02:35:55.920 So in this spirit, in 2021, the European Commission, 02:35:56.560 --> 02:35:59.120 upon invitation by the member states, 02:35:59.920 --> 02:36:04.160 invited Experts nominated from 23 02:36:04.320 --> 02:36:10.840 countries, Norway and Switzerland, to reflect on high quality architecture 02:36:10.920 --> 02:36:13.040 and built environment for everyone. 02:36:13.680 --> 02:36:19.200 And I'm very pleased that a lot of these experts are here today 02:36:19.280 --> 02:36:24.680 with us, also in the audience, because yesterday we had the meeting 02:36:24.760 --> 02:36:28.520 of European Directors of Architecture policies. 02:36:30.440 --> 02:36:36.040 This expert group issued a landmark report entitled Towards 02:36:36.120 --> 02:36:39.040 a Shared Culture of Architecture. 02:36:40.360 --> 02:36:47.040 It called for a fundamental shift and you see here the title that speaks for itself. 02:36:47.560 --> 02:36:51.560 And by the way, if you're interested, there are outside a few copies, 02:36:51.640 --> 02:36:55.880 but there is also a QR code where you can download this report. 02:36:57.200 --> 02:37:03.640 So it sets out a vision from viewing architecture as a niche issue to embracing 02:37:04.120 --> 02:37:09.880 it as a cross cutting policy concern with societal relevance. 02:37:12.840 --> 02:37:16.520 The report made six clear and ambitious 02:37:16.840 --> 02:37:19.800 recommendations and they resonate a lot. 02:37:19.880 --> 02:37:22.800 What we heard already today, during the day, 02:37:22.880 --> 02:37:27.480 during the various speeches and also during the panel discussions, 02:37:29.000 --> 02:37:30.400 they offer a compass. 02:37:30.480 --> 02:37:36.280 These six recommendations, ambitious recommendations, 02:37:36.440 --> 02:37:40.640 offer a compassion for any country, region or city 02:37:41.200 --> 02:37:46.320 aiming to improve its architectural governance and quality of life. 02:37:47.360 --> 02:37:49.360 Let me briefly recall them. 02:37:50.320 --> 02:37:55.680 First, to promote a culture of quality in the built environment. 02:37:56.880 --> 02:38:00.320 This means valuing not just functionality 02:38:00.560 --> 02:38:04.400 or cost efficiency, but long term quality, 02:38:05.120 --> 02:38:09.040 contextual sensitivity and user well being. 02:38:09.960 --> 02:38:15.440 Secondly, embed architectural quality in public policies. 02:38:16.280 --> 02:38:19.440 Architecture should not be an afterthought. 02:38:19.840 --> 02:38:23.280 It must be integrated into policies for 02:38:23.360 --> 02:38:28.040 housing, mobility, climate and innovation. 02:38:29.120 --> 02:38:34.880 Thirdly, foster transdisciplinary and participatory approaches. 02:38:35.440 --> 02:38:41.040 Architectural processes should involve citizens, should involve all of us, 02:38:41.440 --> 02:38:43.200 should involve voters. 02:38:43.280 --> 02:38:44.640 That's what we heard today. 02:38:45.120 --> 02:38:50.640 Planners, artists, engineers, policymakers alike. 02:38:50.960 --> 02:38:55.280 And not to forget the voices of youth and even children, 02:38:55.920 --> 02:39:00.320 and also of the elderly people we sometimes forget in these processes. 02:39:02.800 --> 02:39:06.560 Fourth, support knowledge creation and dissemination. 02:39:07.520 --> 02:39:12.480 Research, education and knowledge exchange are key to a resilient 02:39:12.560 --> 02:39:14.160 architectural culture. 02:39:15.600 --> 02:39:19.960 Fifth, strengthen international collaboration and peer learning. 02:39:20.040 --> 02:39:25.640 And we had before also architects traveling, having cooperation 02:39:25.720 --> 02:39:27.560 projects with other countries. 02:39:27.800 --> 02:39:31.000 This is what we foster at European level. 02:39:33.400 --> 02:39:36.040 Strengthen international collaboration and peer learning. 02:39:36.120 --> 02:39:39.800 Europe thrives when we learn from each other, when 02:39:39.880 --> 02:39:43.000 we build together and not in parallel. 02:39:44.200 --> 02:39:49.320 And the sixth recommendation is to promote sustainable inclusive 02:39:49.760 --> 02:39:51.520 and beautiful environments. 02:39:52.080 --> 02:39:55.680 This final point echoes the vision of the new 02:39:55.760 --> 02:40:02.320 European Bauhaus that we must build places that are not only green and inclusive, 02:40:02.400 --> 02:40:04.160 but also beautiful. 02:40:05.280 --> 02:40:11.120 These recommendations are not abstract, they are deeply concrete 02:40:11.600 --> 02:40:15.520 and they speak to shared European values, 02:40:16.280 --> 02:40:19.960 our values, sustainability, democracy, 02:40:20.680 --> 02:40:23.640 solidarity and cultural diversity. 02:40:25.480 --> 02:40:29.160 So how have we translated that into action? 02:40:31.640 --> 02:40:36.120 At EU level, several initiatives have taken them forward. 02:40:37.080 --> 02:40:43.480 First, the new European Bauhaus that our President van der leyen launched in 2020. 02:40:44.200 --> 02:40:48.360 It has become a unique laboratory for architectural and design 02:40:48.520 --> 02:40:50.040 led transformation. 02:40:50.920 --> 02:40:55.560 It connects the European grill deal to our everyday spaces, 02:40:56.040 --> 02:41:02.360 bridging the environmental, social and esthetic dimensions of transformation. 02:41:03.480 --> 02:41:05.720 It supports local initiatives. 02:41:06.200 --> 02:41:13.120 It funds pilot projects and fosters cross disciplinary networks of architects, 02:41:13.440 --> 02:41:17.560 designers, citizens and policymakers. 02:41:18.840 --> 02:41:22.440 Second, the EU Work Plan for Culture 02:41:22.520 --> 02:41:26.680 2023-2026 as agreed upon 02:41:27.120 --> 02:41:29.960 by Member States in 2022 02:41:30.680 --> 02:41:34.360 recognizes the importance of baukultur 02:41:34.600 --> 02:41:37.080 and quality in the built environment. 02:41:38.280 --> 02:41:44.440 One of these action focuses specifically on mainstreaming these principles 02:41:45.000 --> 02:41:47.720 across cultural and urban policy. 02:41:49.480 --> 02:41:54.600 Third, several EU programs reflect this integrated approach. 02:41:55.400 --> 02:42:00.000 Creative Europe that CO funds, for example the Architect Council 02:42:00.080 --> 02:42:03.520 of Europe or platforms for Young Architects like 02:42:03.600 --> 02:42:08.080 the Lena Platform funds also projects that use architecture 02:42:08.160 --> 02:42:13.840 to foster social cohesion, accessibility and cultural dialog. 02:42:14.480 --> 02:42:20.240 Horizon Europe, focused on research, supports research into regenerative 02:42:20.320 --> 02:42:23.600 architecture and heritage reuse. 02:42:24.240 --> 02:42:28.960 The interregional program helps regions to learn from each other 02:42:29.640 --> 02:42:32.360 about sustainable urban planning. 02:42:33.320 --> 02:42:37.080 We are also seeing quality based principles gradually 02:42:37.480 --> 02:42:39.720 integrated into other areas. 02:42:40.920 --> 02:42:45.480 Public procurement, cohesion policy and green transition 02:42:45.560 --> 02:42:51.640 strategies are beginning to reflect the importance of quality based selection 02:42:51.720 --> 02:42:56.560 criteria and life cycle thinking in construction. 02:42:57.840 --> 02:43:03.920 These developments confirm a shift from fragmentation to integration, 02:43:04.560 --> 02:43:10.360 a recognition that architectural quality is not a sectoral issue 02:43:10.880 --> 02:43:12.880 but a systemic concern. 02:43:13.960 --> 02:43:17.360 Architecture is no longer on the margins. 02:43:17.600 --> 02:43:23.120 It is increasingly recognized as a driver of systemic change. 02:43:25.680 --> 02:43:32.040 How do member states and local governments respond to the recommendations? 02:43:32.560 --> 02:43:35.040 So what happens at national and local level? 02:43:35.680 --> 02:43:40.280 Many member states and We Heard it Today have responded with tangible 02:43:40.360 --> 02:43:41.520 policy changes. 02:43:41.840 --> 02:43:45.960 As we just heard this morning, Germany has adopted new federal 02:43:46.040 --> 02:43:47.640 guidelines for bauko tortoise. 02:43:48.120 --> 02:43:53.880 Just last year, marking a significant milestone in shaping policy for the built 02:43:53.960 --> 02:43:57.720 environment, France launched a national strategy 02:43:57.800 --> 02:44:02.920 for Architecture with a strong focus on education, public awareness 02:44:03.280 --> 02:44:05.120 and environmental transition. 02:44:06.200 --> 02:44:11.440 Austria continues to pioneer regional baukultur policies that empower 02:44:11.880 --> 02:44:14.760 municipalities and citizens alike. 02:44:15.880 --> 02:44:20.280 Denmark's updated policy encourages climate, responsible design 02:44:20.360 --> 02:44:21.960 and inclusive housing. 02:44:23.080 --> 02:44:25.840 Portugal and Slovenia have launched 02:44:25.920 --> 02:44:30.200 platforms for architectural culture, 02:44:30.600 --> 02:44:34.040 engaging both professionals and the public. 02:44:35.400 --> 02:44:42.040 Cities like Barcelona, Ghent, Warsaw or Helsinki are using architectural 02:44:42.120 --> 02:44:45.680 policy as a lever for democratic design, 02:44:46.320 --> 02:44:50.000 adaptive reuse and social inclusion. 02:44:51.200 --> 02:44:57.680 A common feature across these Examples is the growing emphasis on participatory 02:44:57.920 --> 02:45:01.120 processes, interdisciplinary design 02:45:01.760 --> 02:45:05.280 and design quality in public procurement. 02:45:07.520 --> 02:45:13.040 These developments are reflected in the updated study which Joao Bento 02:45:13.600 --> 02:45:17.120 presented this morning and which the Architect Council of Europe 02:45:17.440 --> 02:45:20.480 has done with the support of Creative Europe. 02:45:21.040 --> 02:45:24.400 And it remaps very well the recent developments. 02:45:26.800 --> 02:45:31.160 Moreover, Member states, regions and cities are 02:45:31.240 --> 02:45:35.520 increasingly exchanging experiences through peer learning, 02:45:35.960 --> 02:45:41.920 which last year we supported at European level through an initiative called 02:45:42.120 --> 02:45:45.600 Living Spaces, which we organized in partnership 02:45:45.680 --> 02:45:49.520 with Euro Cities and the Architects Council of Europe, 02:45:49.960 --> 02:45:53.040 which was also funded by Creative Europe. 02:45:55.120 --> 02:45:59.800 One of the 12 peer learning visits carried out as part of this initiative 02:46:00.240 --> 02:46:06.920 brought us here to the city of Gdansk around the topic of Transforming Gdansk 02:46:07.000 --> 02:46:09.120 through community Engagement. 02:46:10.000 --> 02:46:15.360 This is where, thanks to the fruitful cooperation with the Gdansk city architect 02:46:15.440 --> 02:46:20.480 Piotr Lawrence and his team, the idea for this very 02:46:20.720 --> 02:46:23.360 European conference was born. 02:46:24.320 --> 02:46:31.200 Let me take this opportunity to express my heartfelt thanks and ask for a big 02:46:31.280 --> 02:46:36.960 round of applause for Piotr Lawrence and his team, whose outstanding commitment 02:46:37.040 --> 02:46:40.640 and hard work have made this conference possible. 02:46:49.280 --> 02:46:55.040 Events like this are ideal platforms to foster shared learning. 02:46:56.880 --> 02:47:00.320 Still, there are challenges we must face together. 02:47:01.600 --> 02:47:07.200 First, architecture must be embedded more strongly in other public policies, 02:47:07.680 --> 02:47:13.200 especially those related to energy efficiency, climate resilience, 02:47:13.760 --> 02:47:16.080 health and social inclusion. 02:47:17.040 --> 02:47:23.120 Second, we must ensure that quality based procurement becomes the norm, 02:47:23.440 --> 02:47:28.320 not the exception, moving beyond lowest price criteria. 02:47:29.280 --> 02:47:33.360 Third, we need more support for architectural education 02:47:34.000 --> 02:47:40.560 and public awareness, especially in schools and non specialized settings. 02:47:41.440 --> 02:47:46.280 And finally, for diversity and accessibility in the profession. 02:47:46.360 --> 02:47:52.640 It itself, a shared culture, must also be an inclusive culture. 02:47:53.840 --> 02:47:56.720 So we have the tools and we have the knowledge. 02:47:57.200 --> 02:48:03.680 What we need now is a political will, investment and a continued 02:48:04.320 --> 02:48:06.080 collaborative effort. 02:48:07.680 --> 02:48:13.680 So let me conclude with some a few simple but powerful ideas 02:48:14.160 --> 02:48:15.600 I want to share with you. 02:48:16.480 --> 02:48:19.200 Architecture is a public good. 02:48:20.000 --> 02:48:25.520 We build not only for ourselves, but for future generations. 02:48:26.720 --> 02:48:32.480 Policies that value quality in the built environment are an expression of care 02:48:33.280 --> 02:48:39.280 for our climate, for our societies and for our democracy. 02:48:40.720 --> 02:48:46.800 The report Towards a Shared Culture of Architecture set out a vision. 02:48:47.520 --> 02:48:51.840 The European built environment and architecture of tomorrow 02:48:52.320 --> 02:48:57.200 should be of high quality and to the benefit of everyone. 02:48:58.560 --> 02:49:05.360 Today we are seeing that vision is taking root, but continued action is needed. 02:49:06.320 --> 02:49:10.400 We must continue translating principles into practice, 02:49:10.960 --> 02:49:15.360 recommendation into policies and policies 02:49:15.600 --> 02:49:18.640 into places where people can thrive. 02:49:19.360 --> 02:49:20.080 Thank you. 02:49:29.920 --> 02:49:31.140 Thank you very much. 02:49:33.680 --> 02:49:36.000 We've met Ivan before 02:49:47.040 --> 02:49:48.360 in the Bazaaronia foundation 02:49:48.440 --> 02:49:49.480 of Miles van der Rohe. 02:49:49.560 --> 02:49:53.920 He is the director of the foundation, coordinator of the EU Prize 02:49:54.000 --> 02:49:56.480 for the Best European project. 02:49:56.640 --> 02:50:00.640 Ivan, so we can start the video and. 02:50:00.720 --> 02:50:01.760 Well, good morning everyone. 02:50:01.840 --> 02:50:05.960 It's a true pleasure to participate in this European 02:50:06.040 --> 02:50:07.800 conference today here in Dansk. 02:50:07.880 --> 02:50:11.840 Thank you very much for the invitation because Poland has also become a very 02:50:11.920 --> 02:50:15.440 important reference point for architecture and for the EU MIES Awards. 02:50:15.520 --> 02:50:19.120 Since 2013, we've had the opportunity to engage 02:50:19.200 --> 02:50:24.040 in very meaningful conversations with many Polish architects, some friends which are 02:50:24.120 --> 02:50:27.760 around, and critics, and to observe a remarkable evolution in the way 02:50:27.840 --> 02:50:31.080 architecture is practiced, shared and embraced by the public. 02:50:31.640 --> 02:50:36.360 This was made visible through the EU MIES Awards 2024 02:50:36.440 --> 02:50:41.400 exhibition at the Museum of Architecture in Wrocaw that finished some weeks ago, 02:50:41.560 --> 02:50:45.400 which featured, for example, the Plateau Gallery by KWK Pros 02:50:46.040 --> 02:50:49.000 from an office in Katowice, one of the five panelists, 02:50:49.080 --> 02:50:50.440 but also the Blogny Market. 02:50:50.680 --> 02:50:53.640 These projects are also featured upstairs in the exhibition. 02:50:54.680 --> 02:50:57.000 So I'm especially grateful to Michal Duda, the director 02:50:57.080 --> 02:51:00.760 of the Wroclaw Architecture Museum, but also the chief architect of Wrochev 02:51:00.840 --> 02:51:04.440 that made that exhibition possible, and also to Piotr Lorenz for making 02:51:04.520 --> 02:51:08.320 the exhibition here also possible and to present it so. 02:51:08.400 --> 02:51:13.480 Since their creation in 1988 as a European public initiative, the EU MIRS Awards have 02:51:13.560 --> 02:51:16.640 consistently demonstrated that architecture is not just 02:51:16.720 --> 02:51:19.800 a technical or an artistic practice. 02:51:20.120 --> 02:51:21.720 It is a matter of public policy. 02:51:22.280 --> 02:51:25.920 It shapes the environments we live in, it affects how we interact with one 02:51:26.000 --> 02:51:30.280 another, and it plays a vital role in addressing shared societal challenges. 02:51:30.520 --> 02:51:33.360 The origins of the awards are deeply rooted in the legacy 02:51:33.440 --> 02:51:38.200 of the Barcelona Pavilion, designed by Ludwig Mies van de Royal lilly 02:51:38.280 --> 02:51:43.640 Reich in 1929, reconstructed in the 1980s, but not simply as a monument then, 02:51:43.720 --> 02:51:45.080 but as a public platform. 02:51:45.240 --> 02:51:48.320 Since then, it has served as a living space 02:51:48.400 --> 02:51:51.080 for architectural discourse and experimentation, drawing 02:51:51.160 --> 02:51:53.000 connection across disciplines. 02:51:53.080 --> 02:51:57.280 As we were seeing, this spirit of interdisciplinary exchange 02:51:57.360 --> 02:52:00.080 aligns with the goals of the Davos Declaration of Baucultur 02:52:00.160 --> 02:52:03.800 that we have been listening about, which calls for this holistic 02:52:03.880 --> 02:52:05.040 approach to the built environment. 02:52:05.120 --> 02:52:08.240 It invites us to consider not only how buildings look, 02:52:08.400 --> 02:52:12.120 but how they perform socially, environmentally, and how they 02:52:12.200 --> 02:52:13.700 contribute to collection. 02:52:14.960 --> 02:52:18.640 Over the years, the EU MIES Awards have become a key instrument in promoting 02:52:18.720 --> 02:52:22.880 architectural quality, not as a luxury, but as a necessity. 02:52:23.120 --> 02:52:27.280 They serve to highlight and advance projects that embody sustainability, 02:52:27.360 --> 02:52:29.280 inclusion and cultural relevance. 02:52:29.600 --> 02:52:34.400 Their importance was officially recognized in the EU Member State Experts Group 02:52:34.480 --> 02:52:38.960 report towards a Shared Culture of Architecture that Jutta Kasner just 02:52:39.200 --> 02:52:42.880 mentioned Right now, Now, which positions the price as one 02:52:42.960 --> 02:52:46.080 of the two pillars of European architectural policy. 02:52:46.720 --> 02:52:50.360 As seen in the video with the jury, the price becomes a space for reflection, 02:52:50.440 --> 02:52:54.200 a place where architecture reminds us of its deeper purpose, which is care. 02:52:54.280 --> 02:52:59.240 Care for people and their needs and beyond human beings care for the environments 02:52:59.320 --> 02:53:02.200 that we inhabit, for the materials and resources, 02:53:02.280 --> 02:53:04.480 and for those that will come after us. 02:53:04.560 --> 02:53:07.280 Care in this context is not something abstract. 02:53:07.360 --> 02:53:10.960 It is a political and cultural stance rooted in empathy, 02:53:11.040 --> 02:53:12.360 responsibility and respect. 02:53:12.720 --> 02:53:13.840 Also for difference. 02:53:14.560 --> 02:53:16.880 Listening to the reflections of the juries, 02:53:17.040 --> 02:53:20.360 it becomes evident that the definition of excellence in architecture 02:53:20.560 --> 02:53:22.120 has been changing over the years. 02:53:22.200 --> 02:53:25.840 It is no longer based solely on visual or technical achievement. 02:53:26.120 --> 02:53:30.760 It means the ability to respond to urgent realities climate change, 02:53:30.840 --> 02:53:33.800 social fragmentation, research, scarcity, and the erosion of public 02:53:33.880 --> 02:53:35.040 space, among many others. 02:53:35.560 --> 02:53:39.160 And in this involving landscape, a representative project is one that is 02:53:39.240 --> 02:53:42.520 thoughtful in its processes and generous in its impact. 02:53:42.680 --> 02:53:45.600 It connects to its local context, it involves communities, 02:53:45.680 --> 02:53:47.560 it strengthens the social fabric. 02:53:47.720 --> 02:53:50.040 It might reuse what already is there. 02:53:50.360 --> 02:53:53.800 It reinterprets local traditions or realities, 02:53:53.880 --> 02:53:58.280 or offers new ways of thinking about belonging and cultural essence. 02:53:58.600 --> 02:54:02.320 Crucially, excellence is about relevance to people's lives, 02:54:02.400 --> 02:54:06.640 to the cities in transformation, and to broader societal debates. 02:54:06.800 --> 02:54:08.080 It is not isolated. 02:54:08.320 --> 02:54:12.960 Every architectural act is a response to and a reflection of the broader world. 02:54:13.280 --> 02:54:16.160 What the EU MIES awards highlight is a particular European 02:54:16.240 --> 02:54:17.440 approach to architecture. 02:54:17.520 --> 02:54:22.640 When grounded in attitudes and values rather than style, it embraces diversity 02:54:22.720 --> 02:54:25.600 of geography or scale or purpose and authorship. 02:54:25.680 --> 02:54:30.120 And it celebrates collective intelligence, not just individual talent, 02:54:30.600 --> 02:54:34.440 whether it's a careful transformation of a post industrial space into a civic 02:54:34.520 --> 02:54:38.280 hub, or a modest intervention in a rural village or a public housing project. 02:54:38.600 --> 02:54:42.320 With dignity and sensitivity, the awards reveal that architecture can be 02:54:42.400 --> 02:54:47.880 a transformative force, one that forces cohesion, resilience and imagination. 02:54:48.760 --> 02:54:51.080 So why is the prize important to the field? 02:54:51.480 --> 02:54:55.440 The UME's awards are especially relevant to our field because they do more 02:54:55.520 --> 02:54:57.160 than simply recognize excellence. 02:54:57.440 --> 02:55:00.480 They help save the present and future of European architecture. 02:55:00.720 --> 02:55:04.120 The prize offers a clear lens into the most pressing challenges 02:55:04.200 --> 02:55:08.720 and emerging opportunities we face today, whether it's adapting to the climate 02:55:08.800 --> 02:55:12.880 crisis, rethinking public spaces, or addressing social inequality through 02:55:12.960 --> 02:55:16.080 design, all these nominated works reflect where 02:55:16.160 --> 02:55:19.040 architecture is heading and what it must respond to. 02:55:19.440 --> 02:55:24.040 It also serves as a vital platform for emerging voices and new ideas. 02:55:24.120 --> 02:55:28.400 By giving visibility to younger professionals and experimental approaches, 02:55:28.560 --> 02:55:33.560 the prize helps energize the discipline and expand the conversations we're 02:55:33.640 --> 02:55:36.480 having about what architecture can be. 02:55:37.040 --> 02:55:40.560 Finally, the ume's awards play a key role in strengthening the architectural 02:55:40.640 --> 02:55:41.760 ecosystem itself. 02:55:41.840 --> 02:55:45.920 They encourage collaborations across borders, highlight architecture's economic 02:55:46.000 --> 02:55:49.720 and social impact, and help build a more connected and supportive 02:55:49.800 --> 02:55:52.360 professional community across Europe. 02:55:53.080 --> 02:55:57.960 In this way, the price doesn't just reward good architecture, 02:55:58.120 --> 02:56:01.320 but it helps make good architecture more possible. 02:56:01.880 --> 02:56:02.960 And why is it valuable? 02:56:03.040 --> 02:56:04.040 Beyond the discipline. 02:56:04.120 --> 02:56:07.560 So for people, for institutions, governments, the price 02:56:07.720 --> 02:56:09.200 goes beyond architecture. 02:56:09.280 --> 02:56:10.280 It identifies. 02:56:10.440 --> 02:56:14.880 It promotes outstanding recent projects while informing policy through 02:56:14.960 --> 02:56:17.840 reflection on past debates and awards. 02:56:18.960 --> 02:56:23.040 It highlights how contemporary architecture shapes the daily lives 02:56:23.120 --> 02:56:27.600 of people across Europe's cities, towns and also landscapes. 02:56:27.760 --> 02:56:32.760 It also emphasizes the role of quality architecture in achieving the goals 02:56:32.840 --> 02:56:36.560 of the European Green Deal with zero emissions by 2050, 02:56:36.880 --> 02:56:41.280 sustainable growth and social inclusion, and by giving international visibility 02:56:41.520 --> 02:56:45.560 to local best practices, it offers real models for housing 02:56:45.640 --> 02:56:48.880 sustainability, inclusion policies, and many others. 02:56:49.360 --> 02:56:54.400 Moreover, it connects everybody or many, many people through a European network 02:56:54.640 --> 02:56:57.040 encouraging collaboration and shared learning. 02:56:57.120 --> 02:57:01.920 Architecture becomes a tool for advancing the green and also social agenda. 02:57:02.320 --> 02:57:07.720 The EU Mies Awards Young Talent further deepened this impact by spotlighting 02:57:07.800 --> 02:57:10.360 the most promising emerging voices in architecture. 02:57:10.960 --> 02:57:14.640 These awards go beyond academic recognition, creating vital bridges 02:57:14.720 --> 02:57:17.760 between education, professional practice and public interest. 02:57:18.240 --> 02:57:21.120 They empower young professionals, like the ones we're seeing here, 02:57:21.200 --> 02:57:24.160 to contribute meaningfully to societal challenges, 02:57:24.320 --> 02:57:28.400 giving institutions and governments early access to fresh perspectives, 02:57:28.560 --> 02:57:31.440 innovative thinking, and a new generation of design leaders. 02:57:32.080 --> 02:57:35.320 Notably, one of the winners, Laura Hurley, that appears here in the video, 02:57:35.400 --> 02:57:39.720 participated earlier this year in Athens in the first Youth Policy Dialog 02:57:39.800 --> 02:57:41.520 with Glenn Micallef, Commissioner 02:57:41.600 --> 02:57:45.760 for Intergenerational Fairness, Youth Culture and Sport, 02:57:46.080 --> 02:57:50.800 focusing on all in promoting inclusiveness through sports and culture. 02:57:51.200 --> 02:57:54.680 Her involvement underscores how young architects are not only shaping the built 02:57:54.760 --> 02:57:56.920 environment, but are also active participants 02:57:57.000 --> 02:58:01.080 in broader culture and social conversations, offering valuable insights 02:58:01.160 --> 02:58:02.880 into inclusive policy development. 02:58:03.960 --> 02:58:06.800 Climate change is one of Europe's top priorities, and architecture 02:58:06.880 --> 02:58:08.440 plays a key role in addressing it. 02:58:08.600 --> 02:58:13.200 Its impacts are already visible biodiversity loss, forest fires, floods, 02:58:13.280 --> 02:58:15.640 reduced crop yields and rising temperatures. 02:58:15.800 --> 02:58:20.320 The built environment is responsible for about 40% of global greenhouse gas 02:58:20.400 --> 02:58:23.720 emissions, and these stem mainly from building materials, 02:58:23.800 --> 02:58:28.520 the energy used for heating, cooling, lighting during or before the processes, 02:58:28.600 --> 02:58:29.800 during and afterwards. 02:58:30.360 --> 02:58:33.560 With the current geopolitical context and the scarcity of local energy 02:58:33.640 --> 02:58:37.320 resources, the European Green Deal becomes even more urgent. 02:58:37.400 --> 02:58:40.760 Architecture must lead the way in energy efficiency, adaptive 02:58:40.840 --> 02:58:42.600 design and circularity. 02:58:43.080 --> 02:58:47.080 In this sense, I would like to underline the current European Citizens Initiative, 02:58:47.160 --> 02:58:50.360 House Europe, which calls for new EU legislation 02:58:50.440 --> 02:58:54.760 to promote the renovation and transformation of existing buildings, 02:58:56.200 --> 02:59:00.800 aiming to make these processes easier, more affordable and socially equitable, 02:59:00.880 --> 02:59:04.040 and therefore diminishing carbon emissions, waste of resources 02:59:04.120 --> 02:59:05.720 and loss of cultural heritage. 02:59:06.360 --> 02:59:09.880 The Eumees Awards succeed because they're not just a prize, they are a network, 02:59:09.960 --> 02:59:13.800 a broad and diverse community organized by the Mies foundation, 02:59:13.880 --> 02:59:17.320 which is part of the Barcelona City Council, supported by Creative Europe. 02:59:17.400 --> 02:59:20.520 I want to thank Juta Kassner for her ongoing support. 02:59:20.760 --> 02:59:24.520 The awards are Guided by a honorary committee including members of the EU 02:59:24.600 --> 02:59:26.600 institutions, city leaders and the president 02:59:27.080 --> 02:59:30.280 of the Architecture Council of Europe and the European association 02:59:30.360 --> 02:59:35.240 for Architecture Education, whose support is really deeply, deeply appreciated. 02:59:36.120 --> 02:59:38.040 They're also shaped the prize. 02:59:38.120 --> 02:59:41.600 The awards by the advisory committee formed by directors of Europe's most 02:59:41.680 --> 02:59:44.440 renowned architecture museums, like the one in wrocaw, 02:59:44.520 --> 02:59:48.520 by experts and national associations who nominate works and of course 02:59:48.600 --> 02:59:51.400 by the architects, clients and collaborators who make 02:59:51.480 --> 02:59:54.400 all these projects real or true. 02:59:54.960 --> 02:59:58.480 We often associate the prize with a moment of celebration, which it is 02:59:58.560 --> 02:59:59.840 a single and symbolic event. 02:59:59.920 --> 03:00:02.560 But the EU means awards go far beyond that. 03:00:02.640 --> 03:00:05.240 They create an ongoing platform for dialog, reflection 03:00:05.320 --> 03:00:06.640 and action in architecture. 03:00:06.720 --> 03:00:11.040 They foster ongoing dialog through traveling exhibitions and public debates, 03:00:11.120 --> 03:00:12.720 publications and documentaries. 03:00:12.800 --> 03:00:16.240 A growing physical and digital archive of over 6,000 projects 03:00:16.320 --> 03:00:17.520 open to everybody online. 03:00:18.040 --> 03:00:20.840 The out and about program that invites the public to visit and engage 03:00:20.920 --> 03:00:24.080 with exemplary buildings, architecture and the media, which helps 03:00:24.160 --> 03:00:26.360 convey why architecture matters. 03:00:26.440 --> 03:00:30.160 Collaborations with other programs such as Lina, which connects 40 institutions 03:00:30.240 --> 03:00:32.360 throughout Europe and countless young creatives. 03:00:32.440 --> 03:00:36.240 And regular presence in global events like the Venice Biennale, World Expos 03:00:36.320 --> 03:00:38.040 and European Capitals of Culture. 03:00:38.440 --> 03:00:42.080 Very recently, exhibitions have taken place in Brussels and WROCAW and are 03:00:42.160 --> 03:00:44.720 now in show in Timisoara, in Brasilia. Actually in Brasilia. 03:00:44.800 --> 03:00:47.880 Antonio Costa, former Mayor of Lisbon, Prime Minister of Portugal, 03:00:47.960 --> 03:00:52.320 now President of of the European Council, visited the exhibition and recalled how 03:00:52.400 --> 03:00:57.240 important architecture was in the making and shaping of Lisbon. 03:00:57.400 --> 03:01:02.720 And we are now preparing an exhibition for Expo Saka 2025 where we'll explore how 03:01:02.800 --> 03:01:05.000 waterfronts can respond to climate change. 03:01:05.400 --> 03:01:08.240 Next week in Venice, we will celebrate the EUME's award Gental 03:01:08.320 --> 03:01:13.600 in 25, joined by Mr. Norman Spoppins, Mrs. Jutta Kasner, Mrs. Giroud Sageman, 03:01:13.680 --> 03:01:18.320 Mr. Roberto Cavallo, the jury members, the winners, finalists and some 03:01:18.400 --> 03:01:19.640 of the professors as well. 03:01:19.720 --> 03:01:22.520 Nearly 300 people have confirmed their attendance. 03:01:22.760 --> 03:01:25.760 So we look forward to hearing from this new generation of architects 03:01:25.840 --> 03:01:29.760 and continuing the conversation which Commissioner Micallef insightfully 03:01:29.840 --> 03:01:32.680 highlighted once, he said, and let's not forget about 03:01:32.760 --> 03:01:35.600 the more tangible side of European culture, architecture. 03:01:35.680 --> 03:01:38.360 It is a legacy we pass on to future generations. 03:01:38.520 --> 03:01:41.520 We should think of the buildings of today as the heritage of tomorrow. 03:01:41.600 --> 03:01:43.720 And this quote resonates with Dominique Perrault, 03:01:43.800 --> 03:01:47.520 Director of the UNESCO UIA World Capital of Architecture 2026, 03:01:47.600 --> 03:01:51.040 who recently expressed this idea that everything is heritage. 03:01:51.120 --> 03:01:54.800 Next year will be Barcelona, following the inspiring example 03:01:54.880 --> 03:01:57.120 set by Rio by Copenhagen. 03:01:57.280 --> 03:01:59.920 And Barcelona is preparing to become a living laboratory, 03:02:00.160 --> 03:02:03.080 a place to rethink architecture's role in shaping more sustainable, 03:02:03.160 --> 03:02:04.560 inclusive and beautiful future. 03:02:04.640 --> 03:02:06.800 So we hope to count with all of you as well. 03:02:07.280 --> 03:02:10.080 But beyond these buzzwords that we just said, that I've just said, 03:02:10.160 --> 03:02:13.040 architecture must also embrace social justice and inclusivity, 03:02:13.360 --> 03:02:16.240 integrate economic and policy tools like you're doing, 03:02:16.480 --> 03:02:19.840 prioritize the reuse of existing buildings, establish clear standards 03:02:19.920 --> 03:02:22.520 and measurable goals and collaborate closely with citizens 03:02:22.600 --> 03:02:23.840 and communities on the ground. 03:02:24.000 --> 03:02:28.160 And this is exactly the spirit that I am witnessing so far here in Dansk. 03:02:28.240 --> 03:02:31.760 The U Mies Award stands as Europe's most prestigious architectural prize 03:02:32.160 --> 03:02:34.680 celebrating excellence in contemporary architecture as we've 03:02:34.760 --> 03:02:35.880 understood it before. 03:02:35.960 --> 03:02:39.960 By recognizing outstanding works, they underscore the vital role of quality 03:02:40.040 --> 03:02:45.480 architecture in sustainable development and enhancing citizens well being across 03:02:45.560 --> 03:02:48.800 Europe through excellence, independence, rigor, dissemination, 03:02:48.880 --> 03:02:50.840 relevance, legacy and care. 03:02:51.080 --> 03:02:54.840 So as you can see, the EU Mies Awards are a continuous cycle where there's no time 03:02:54.920 --> 03:02:59.000 to spare because the climate social emergency demands immediate 03:02:59.080 --> 03:03:02.240 transformative action in architecture. Thank you very much. 03:03:05.600 --> 03:03:10.000 Thank you very much for all the input concerning 03:03:10.080 --> 03:03:13.120 the foundation, its mission, the awards. 03:03:15.600 --> 03:03:17.920 Thank you very much for this valuable input. 03:03:18.000 --> 03:03:22.880 The third speaker in this introductory part session too 03:03:26.000 --> 03:03:32.560 Architect the city of the creator of the vision of the city 03:03:38.640 --> 03:03:42.560 as well as member of the post Senator with two terms. 03:03:43.840 --> 03:03:50.800 Ladies and gentlemen, I'm glad to share 03:03:51.920 --> 03:03:56.960 with you that I had entitled from packages for space to urban architectural policy. 03:03:59.520 --> 03:04:03.520 To begin with, I will display an image that 03:04:04.640 --> 03:04:09.240 a chance to see a few times that comes from the report presented today, Mr. Vent. 03:04:09.320 --> 03:04:13.840 That's from Edition 1 and I'm showing it to you now 03:04:14.400 --> 03:04:17.760 only to remind you that Poland to be an outsider 03:04:18.640 --> 03:04:20.320 in terms of architectural policies. 03:04:23.080 --> 03:04:29.320 This yellow bar shows you asterisk next to the word Poland is about 03:04:29.400 --> 03:04:30.880 to have an architectural policy. 03:04:30.960 --> 03:04:34.360 But the image and chart from 2012 03:04:35.000 --> 03:04:38.400 so aims to have doesn't mean that it 03:04:38.480 --> 03:04:40.680 has actually implemented anything. 03:04:41.640 --> 03:04:44.440 This is chart number two from the same publication. 03:04:44.600 --> 03:04:51.160 Yeah, Colleen see countries joining the family 03:04:51.240 --> 03:04:53.720 with Poland is not in the future. 03:04:53.880 --> 03:04:56.040 And the third slide shows you 03:04:57.880 --> 03:05:02.840 the employment because that architects 03:05:02.920 --> 03:05:04.600 employed in the public sector. 03:05:08.280 --> 03:05:10.680 No shame, right? So there is a certain potential 03:05:14.200 --> 03:05:16.120 architects are employed in the public 03:05:16.200 --> 03:05:22.840 sector, but having a limited experience of working 03:05:23.000 --> 03:05:26.680 for the central administration, but quite an extensive one 03:05:26.760 --> 03:05:28.920 of working for the local government. 03:05:30.120 --> 03:05:35.160 I'm rather skeptical about Poland standing a chance 03:05:35.240 --> 03:05:38.440 to have an architectural policy soon. 03:05:38.520 --> 03:05:43.240 But I do have certain hopes concerning local architectural policies. 03:05:43.320 --> 03:05:48.040 When I look at what is going on in the war signs, I'm rather hopeful. 03:05:48.120 --> 03:05:51.400 I also try to share a few pieces of news on Krakow. 03:05:51.640 --> 03:05:55.600 There is a potential there in the local level. 03:05:55.680 --> 03:05:59.960 So maybe that is the journey that Poland will Embark on. 03:06:00.040 --> 03:06:03.880 Perhaps we need this bottom up approach that will enforce 03:06:04.680 --> 03:06:06.680 some new solutions to be adopted. 03:06:08.920 --> 03:06:14.520 During recent parliamentary elections, an initiative was born that was titled 03:06:14.920 --> 03:06:21.680 Impact for Space Architecture and Business Businesses bimonthly. 03:06:21.760 --> 03:06:27.160 And Mosia Tomczuk is an editor in chief chief and she was the spiritus 03:06:27.240 --> 03:06:30.040 balance behind this initiative. 03:06:30.360 --> 03:06:34.960 So it's based on a short document that discusses 03:06:35.040 --> 03:06:40.480 what is traditionally understood as a part of architectural policy. 03:06:40.560 --> 03:06:43.880 The document says that such a a policy is needed. 03:06:43.960 --> 03:06:45.960 You can see those who signed the document 03:06:49.480 --> 03:06:51.520 and the representative of this group 03:06:51.600 --> 03:06:54.680 of people actually victorious in the election. 03:06:55.240 --> 03:07:00.200 And the signed document found its way to the city administration. 03:07:00.920 --> 03:07:03.560 That document was worth a few pages. 03:07:03.720 --> 03:07:06.680 It contained 10 items, 10 points. 03:07:06.760 --> 03:07:08.680 It is a very simple resume 03:07:12.280 --> 03:07:14.080 showing what we managed and what 03:07:14.160 --> 03:07:15.480 we haven't managed to do. 03:07:16.600 --> 03:07:20.600 It defined the notion of spatial order. 03:07:26.080 --> 03:07:29.440 The City hall was reorganized and a Department 03:07:29.760 --> 03:07:31.880 of Spatial Order was established. 03:07:31.960 --> 03:07:34.760 And within it you've got divisions for urban planning, 03:07:34.840 --> 03:07:37.400 architecture, geodesic studies. 03:07:37.480 --> 03:07:43.120 And also the Bureau of Chief City Architect was also established. 03:07:43.360 --> 03:07:44.480 What followed was a debate. 03:07:44.560 --> 03:07:45.680 And we need to say that. 03:07:45.760 --> 03:07:49.920 Actually we need to say that we failed in this 03:07:50.000 --> 03:07:54.800 respect because we haven't had any serious debates over the last two months now 03:07:54.880 --> 03:07:57.560 in terms of urban and architectural standards. 03:08:00.440 --> 03:08:05.760 Certain discussions were held concerning a catalog of best 03:08:05.840 --> 03:08:10.360 practices, because in Poland we've got multiple bad practices, poor ones. 03:08:11.080 --> 03:08:14.440 We call it development. 03:08:15.960 --> 03:08:19.000 We have a few ideas of how to fight against it. 03:08:20.920 --> 03:08:21.920 Climatic changes. 03:08:22.000 --> 03:08:28.440 Well, in this category a number of initiatives have been initiated, launched. 03:08:28.600 --> 03:08:33.880 Many of them concerned removing the excessive concrete from the cities. 03:08:35.400 --> 03:08:38.960 We again have some ideas of of those 03:08:40.080 --> 03:08:42.600 projects that we call the coolers. 03:08:42.680 --> 03:08:46.080 So those projects that cool the atmosphere. 03:08:49.200 --> 03:08:52.160 We have also made a few steps forward in terms of the three. 03:08:54.560 --> 03:08:58.720 There is revitalization of the Vasoa district. 03:09:00.080 --> 03:09:06.360 There are serious concepts within the Master plan that the city 03:09:06.440 --> 03:09:08.320 has been working on. Item six. 03:09:08.400 --> 03:09:10.480 So integrating of activities. Right. 03:09:10.560 --> 03:09:13.280 The department spatial order 03:09:13.840 --> 03:09:17.680 works on a form of integration and works are also carried out 03:09:18.880 --> 03:09:20.800 on the master plan and the strategy. 03:09:20.880 --> 03:09:23.600 They constitute this dimension for cooperation. 03:09:24.080 --> 03:09:25.840 Now moving on to competitions. 03:09:29.040 --> 03:09:32.720 What is nearly there has nearly been signed as 03:09:32.800 --> 03:09:38.360 a resolution about the obligation of applying 03:09:40.360 --> 03:09:44.600 competitions in public procurement. 03:09:44.680 --> 03:09:49.960 And so the entire wave competitions is to to follow. 03:09:50.760 --> 03:09:57.000 Hopefully witness soon the Bureau of the City Architecture, 03:09:57.080 --> 03:09:59.240 as they said was taught. 03:09:59.320 --> 03:10:05.560 And the status of this public officer definitely has been raised. 03:10:06.840 --> 03:10:11.160 It has also manifested its presence through the use of various 03:10:12.040 --> 03:10:13.320 social media outlets. 03:10:16.440 --> 03:10:20.680 But not least we had the Urban Urban Planners and Architects Committee. 03:10:21.400 --> 03:10:26.200 It has new setup now, it meets more often than before. 03:10:27.560 --> 03:10:28.920 It's more transparent. 03:10:29.000 --> 03:10:32.600 It communicates to the outer world as well. 03:10:32.760 --> 03:10:37.560 So it is simply a body of a completely different and better quality. 03:10:38.120 --> 03:10:42.480 And Urban Forum is an institution that was supposed to be created, that was 03:10:42.560 --> 03:10:44.280 a forum for holding big debates. 03:10:44.360 --> 03:10:47.720 But not much happened in this regard. 03:10:48.040 --> 03:10:50.920 The only discussion decision made was where to locate 03:10:51.480 --> 03:10:53.480 the headquarters of this institution. 03:10:54.280 --> 03:11:00.880 Now sharing this report with you, reflecting what has been done against 03:11:00.960 --> 03:11:04.440 the backdrop of the initial document that was signed 03:11:07.000 --> 03:11:12.120 as shown in the images before it became clear that we need to translate 03:11:12.200 --> 03:11:17.080 all these items onto systemic activities, so move from declaring to actually forming 03:11:17.160 --> 03:11:22.080 programs, a need arose to simply move a step forward. 03:11:26.560 --> 03:11:29.120 Urban architectural policy would be the way to go. 03:11:29.760 --> 03:11:35.360 And I wanted to tell you about eight assumptions behind it. 03:11:36.080 --> 03:11:42.560 Assumption number one is a thesis that boils down to the statement that the 03:11:43.120 --> 03:11:47.440 high quality of a well planned environment is a political goal. 03:11:47.520 --> 03:11:50.720 It should be declared in political categories. 03:11:51.440 --> 03:11:55.280 And the high quality of architecture and the old built environment 03:11:55.920 --> 03:12:02.000 is a factor of social cohesion, climatic resilience, dynamic culture. 03:12:02.640 --> 03:12:04.720 All that in one. So it's two 03:12:09.280 --> 03:12:10.720 debunk the myth that was which 03:12:10.800 --> 03:12:12.960 architecture is not a valuable to cost. 03:12:13.040 --> 03:12:18.480 This is the method that needs to be relaxed. 03:12:18.640 --> 03:12:21.680 The third item is actually a dilemma. 03:12:22.320 --> 03:12:26.680 Whether this urban policy should be a short term or a long term one. 03:12:26.760 --> 03:12:29.680 Or perhaps it should have both perspectives. 03:12:29.760 --> 03:12:35.840 I heard that in Germany this national policy policy was prepared for 25 years. 03:12:35.920 --> 03:12:39.800 So I assume that we should be talking about long term perspective. 03:12:39.880 --> 03:12:43.920 Of course, involvement citizens is necessary and we should 03:12:44.000 --> 03:12:48.520 also develop the the policy routing. 03:12:48.600 --> 03:12:50.640 It's in the local specificity. 03:12:50.720 --> 03:12:54.480 There are two architectural universities in Krakow. 03:12:54.560 --> 03:12:59.840 A lot of its inner cities listed to be UNESCO Heritage list. 03:13:00.000 --> 03:13:06.240 And the debate about the quality of architecture is well contextualized 03:13:06.320 --> 03:13:08.800 and it should resonate in the city. 03:13:17.600 --> 03:13:22.280 Number six is the claims that architectural policy 03:13:22.360 --> 03:13:28.520 should focus on the goals that quality and horizontal that is concerning 03:13:28.600 --> 03:13:33.080 the entire city or metropolis and should be easily transferable 03:13:33.160 --> 03:13:34.600 into projects and programs. 03:13:35.080 --> 03:13:39.240 Item number seven, it should not be focusing on the issues 03:13:39.320 --> 03:13:41.400 concerning the use of land. 03:13:44.760 --> 03:13:47.400 Investment policies should not compete. 03:13:48.360 --> 03:13:50.840 Spatial planning should not compete with investment. 03:13:52.440 --> 03:13:57.080 Here this borderline between the two is important. 03:14:02.680 --> 03:14:11.000 Then finally should be active. 03:14:11.080 --> 03:14:14.040 It means that the entire administrative burden 03:14:17.520 --> 03:14:22.560 start with accepting rejecting private initiatives. 03:14:23.440 --> 03:14:27.280 We should be shifting our emphasis onto developing public 03:14:27.360 --> 03:14:28.800 initiatives and projects. 03:14:29.040 --> 03:14:33.040 That of course requires some rearrangements in the decision making 03:14:33.120 --> 03:14:36.000 structure and signing of the funds. 03:14:36.240 --> 03:14:40.280 When I meet my colleagues who are architects, they complain that they are 03:14:40.360 --> 03:14:46.120 not the ones who have the tools to reject certain projects. 03:14:46.600 --> 03:14:51.400 That appears to be key to why they're inefficient. 03:14:51.720 --> 03:14:54.600 It appears to Be important, But that's just a small share 03:14:55.400 --> 03:14:58.280 of what the city architects should do. 03:15:05.880 --> 03:15:12.440 The main chapter, main thematic of this architectural policy that we've 03:15:12.520 --> 03:15:14.200 been discussing about in Krakow. 03:15:14.280 --> 03:15:16.360 First of all, it should contain procedures. 03:15:16.920 --> 03:15:21.240 Procedures mostly concerning the selection of projects. 03:15:24.040 --> 03:15:29.240 All should be introduced in the form of a resolution 03:15:29.400 --> 03:15:32.120 of the mayor of the city of Krakow. 03:15:32.600 --> 03:15:37.560 It should also formulate certain standards and guidelines and these should be 03:15:37.640 --> 03:15:42.160 introduced within the local law. 03:15:42.560 --> 03:15:45.280 There should be certain incentives provided. 03:15:47.760 --> 03:15:50.160 Promote high quality architecture 03:15:53.280 --> 03:15:54.880 monument for conservation 03:15:54.960 --> 03:15:56.400 and environmental protection. 03:15:57.840 --> 03:16:01.120 Should also contain promotional and education activities which should 03:16:01.320 --> 03:16:06.760 think about the goals that are methods, ways of financing it. 03:16:09.480 --> 03:16:15.080 Other bodies, public bodies in the city should get involved. 03:16:21.160 --> 03:16:25.320 Particular activity of local authorities. 03:16:27.040 --> 03:16:30.400 Promote high quality living spaces. 03:16:30.480 --> 03:16:33.960 We believe that the key issues that need to be described in such a policy as 03:16:34.040 --> 03:16:39.920 standards, public spaces, so what streets we should have city. 03:16:43.440 --> 03:16:48.240 Another one is the quality of public investments. 03:16:49.280 --> 03:16:53.680 Again, should have locations, topics, competitions, projects. 03:16:55.480 --> 03:17:00.760 You should also support revitalization transformation projects. 03:17:01.080 --> 03:17:04.120 Again, focusing on subsidies, 03:17:06.280 --> 03:17:08.360 initiating public debate, so 03:17:09.160 --> 03:17:13.000 providing information and reporting, transparent reporting. 03:17:13.080 --> 03:17:19.640 So that the discussions are not cafeteria like, but they're really based on fact. 03:17:23.400 --> 03:17:28.600 Of course, activities should be carried out to promote architecture 03:17:29.080 --> 03:17:32.320 that contributes to climatic neutrality. 03:17:32.400 --> 03:17:37.320 So again it's about regeneration, biodiversity, reducing energy consumption. 03:17:38.440 --> 03:17:39.160 Key solutions. 03:17:40.200 --> 03:17:41.800 We split them into four areas. 03:17:42.200 --> 03:17:48.120 Area number one involves planning and project procedures 03:17:53.720 --> 03:17:58.520 that it is necessary to introduce planning that goes beyond 03:17:59.000 --> 03:18:02.680 the acts and procedures as described in the act on Spatial Planning. 03:18:03.640 --> 03:18:07.880 So master plan should introduce functional and spatial concepts. 03:18:07.960 --> 03:18:10.480 Should introduce Urban studies should be carried out, 03:18:10.560 --> 03:18:16.560 which means so that the routine of the division of architecture and urban 03:18:16.640 --> 03:18:20.520 planning should be completely remodeled. 03:18:20.840 --> 03:18:27.320 Should also introduce obligatory competition procedures already ongoing. 03:18:27.400 --> 03:18:32.680 Again, we should have a rearrangement in the office, because we need to have 03:18:33.720 --> 03:18:37.120 delegated staff members and procedures which also organize organized debate 03:18:37.200 --> 03:18:38.720 and other forms of participation. 03:18:38.800 --> 03:18:41.640 We have heard the word participation multiple times. 03:18:41.800 --> 03:18:44.760 It all sounds right, but it takes time and people. 03:18:46.680 --> 03:18:48.360 These people should have competence. 03:18:48.440 --> 03:18:49.560 Particular competences. 03:18:53.240 --> 03:18:57.320 Area number two, quality of spatial planning. 03:19:02.600 --> 03:19:05.960 I guess from abroad. But we have quite an issue 03:19:06.920 --> 03:19:10.920 in terms of the quality of zoning plans. 03:19:11.320 --> 03:19:14.040 They are very much routine based. 03:19:15.560 --> 03:19:20.640 It's like re qualifying lands from the one that cannot be 03:19:20.720 --> 03:19:23.080 developed to the can be developed. 03:19:24.360 --> 03:19:25.960 Certain functions should be limited. 03:19:28.080 --> 03:19:31.520 We should here emphasize the significance of the third dimension. 03:19:35.120 --> 03:19:40.800 It is important to make it obligatory that the solutions are presented in 3D. 03:19:41.200 --> 03:19:45.840 Of course, the committee deciding on the zoning plans should work more efficiency. 03:19:46.560 --> 03:19:50.080 Gdansk does really well that is preceding 03:19:50.160 --> 03:19:54.520 the formulation of such plans with studies, with public 03:19:54.600 --> 03:19:56.880 consultations and alike. 03:19:58.000 --> 03:20:00.080 I forgot to flick the slide. Apologies. 03:20:09.840 --> 03:20:15.960 Standards and indices guidelines that's about the standards. 03:20:16.040 --> 03:20:19.800 And there is a continuing debate where these standards should be found within 03:20:19.880 --> 03:20:25.040 sectoral policy or master plan or some general document 03:20:25.600 --> 03:20:27.200 entitled Architectural Policy. 03:20:27.360 --> 03:20:30.080 Maybe they should recur in different documents. 03:20:30.160 --> 03:20:31.360 And what should they concern? 03:20:31.440 --> 03:20:33.200 Well, some of those appear to be obvious. 03:20:33.280 --> 03:20:37.120 For example, parking policy or biologically active 03:20:37.280 --> 03:20:43.360 surfaces or standards of accessibility to schools, parks and other services. 03:20:44.320 --> 03:20:49.400 Also shed living, upper hotels and pseudo 03:20:49.480 --> 03:20:56.280 housing mixed with short term rental. 03:20:58.120 --> 03:21:01.520 Also standards concerning cycling, audits 03:21:01.600 --> 03:21:05.960 concerning cycling policies, investments. 03:21:06.040 --> 03:21:10.960 Anyhow, we can think of multiple categories of those guidelines. 03:21:11.040 --> 03:21:14.640 Which of them should find their way to which kind of document 03:21:14.720 --> 03:21:16.000 is not entirely clear. 03:21:18.160 --> 03:21:23.160 We wouldn't like to make architectural policy too detailed because we would wish 03:21:23.240 --> 03:21:28.560 it to be clear and transparent rather than cluttered with unnecessary stuff. 03:21:28.800 --> 03:21:34.520 And the last area is developing the system of promoting architecture. 03:21:34.600 --> 03:21:40.080 So we're talking about architectural award by the name of the mayor of the city. 03:21:40.160 --> 03:21:40.920 That's been done. 03:21:41.000 --> 03:21:44.360 These are exhibitions and publications on new architecture. 03:21:44.440 --> 03:21:50.280 Reports about the spatial quality of the city and developments in its landscape. 03:21:50.360 --> 03:21:55.520 And also benefiting from different events like One Eye of Architecture 03:21:55.600 --> 03:21:58.040 to promote new young architects. 03:21:58.120 --> 03:22:04.720 The New Day of the World, Day of Architecture, Days of Regional Heritage. 03:22:04.800 --> 03:22:08.840 All these are events that can be beneficial also 03:22:08.920 --> 03:22:12.760 to supporting architecture. 03:22:14.840 --> 03:22:17.880 The greater degree of commitment on the part of local governments. 03:22:18.120 --> 03:22:22.160 And also making sure that architecture related issues find their 03:22:22.240 --> 03:22:23.240 way to social media. 03:22:24.920 --> 03:22:28.040 And of course it's not about the negative side of it. 03:22:28.120 --> 03:22:32.120 We would like positive content to be promoted in social media. 03:22:35.240 --> 03:22:37.240 That's the final part. 03:22:38.120 --> 03:22:39.240 That's my contribution. 03:22:39.480 --> 03:22:42.840 I'm sure that Urban Architectural Policy 03:22:46.680 --> 03:22:47.960 is a public policy, 03:22:49.400 --> 03:22:50.520 the title of this conference. 03:22:50.600 --> 03:22:54.920 So it has to be taken care of as in the other public policy. 03:22:55.120 --> 03:22:57.840 See, there has to be a diagnosis first priorities, 03:23:00.400 --> 03:23:05.040 investments, the rules of cooperating with partners, monitoring KPIs, 03:23:06.480 --> 03:23:08.720 certain standards of a public document. 03:23:09.120 --> 03:23:15.080 But I'd also like to share a thesis 03:23:15.160 --> 03:23:17.840 that is not written down here. 03:23:18.160 --> 03:23:23.280 Namely, increasing increasing 03:23:24.160 --> 03:23:29.680 number of cities that actually establish the function of a city 03:23:29.760 --> 03:23:31.920 architect of a new type. 03:23:32.080 --> 03:23:34.480 Well, tomorrow we are going to have a discussion of that. 03:23:34.880 --> 03:23:43.760 But to my mind, that is Office of Quality 03:23:48.320 --> 03:23:50.080 should resemble a creative director 03:23:51.520 --> 03:23:52.800 from a corporate world. 03:23:54.640 --> 03:23:59.040 I believe that the architectural policy 03:24:00.720 --> 03:24:03.360 should be implemented by this new kind 03:24:03.440 --> 03:24:09.680 of leader would be to really promote and implement 03:24:09.760 --> 03:24:11.920 such a local architectural policy. 03:24:18.240 --> 03:24:19.040 Let me thank you. 03:24:26.880 --> 03:24:32.160 Didn't quite know what Janus would say, but very interesting. 03:24:33.280 --> 03:24:34.960 So we are moving on to the panel part. 03:24:36.720 --> 03:24:40.400 I think we are somewhat late. 03:24:41.200 --> 03:24:43.320 Professor Lawrence is not here. Right. 03:24:43.960 --> 03:24:46.440 But I think time is running short. 03:24:46.520 --> 03:24:49.000 So very briefly I'll just mention 03:24:51.160 --> 03:24:54.120 the participants and then we'll. 03:24:56.920 --> 03:25:03.640 So, Mr. Pzlak, 03:25:06.120 --> 03:25:08.760 Deputy Mayor of the City of Dice, 03:25:10.440 --> 03:25:13.400 responsible for sustainable development, 03:25:14.280 --> 03:25:17.560 the host of today's conference. 03:25:20.680 --> 03:25:24.840 Head of the Urbanist Committee at the Union. 03:25:28.200 --> 03:25:29.720 Professor Migzel, 03:25:30.840 --> 03:25:36.360 also an architecture, head of the Faculty 03:25:37.320 --> 03:25:41.240 of Urban Planning at the Warsaw Polytechnic. 03:25:42.600 --> 03:25:45.720 Head of the Committee of Architecture and Urbanism of the Polish Academy 03:25:45.800 --> 03:25:51.760 of Sciences, author of many publications, reports projects on urban 03:25:51.840 --> 03:25:54.280 planning, architecture, etc. Etc. 03:25:54.360 --> 03:25:55.580 Maybe that's enough. 03:25:56.840 --> 03:26:02.360 Next, architects, practicing Architects, 03:26:10.280 --> 03:26:11.640 Group of 5 architects 03:26:15.880 --> 03:26:17.640 graduate of the Warsaw Polytechnic, 03:26:17.720 --> 03:26:19.720 but PhD at the Giants Polytechnicals. 03:26:20.280 --> 03:26:25.640 A lecturer Pavel Yakushak James, 03:26:25.720 --> 03:26:27.720 Architects Warsaw. 03:26:28.680 --> 03:26:32.760 Their projects can be seen in many Polish cities. 03:26:33.000 --> 03:26:35.160 Also abroad, also in Ghanai. 03:26:36.200 --> 03:26:39.720 Marcin Wojciechowski also 03:26:41.160 --> 03:26:43.560 had Designer of the HOSA Group, 03:26:45.480 --> 03:26:50.920 HOSA University lecturer, author behind the Garnison 03:26:51.480 --> 03:26:53.520 project in Gdansk, which. 03:26:53.600 --> 03:26:54.720 Which has been awarded. 03:26:55.200 --> 03:26:57.300 Which has been awarded a number of times. 03:26:57.920 --> 03:27:03.520 Marcin has carried out a tremendous program of investment of public character. 03:27:10.880 --> 03:27:14.640 It is truly a 10 minute neighborhood, 10 minute district. 03:27:14.960 --> 03:27:16.960 I've walked it so. Definitely so. 03:27:17.440 --> 03:27:20.760 And then we have Deputy Mayor of the city of 03:27:23.160 --> 03:27:26.320 Zhilonka and this term responsible 03:27:26.400 --> 03:27:30.520 for housing urban planning collected 03:27:32.120 --> 03:27:33.640 with operational urbanism. 03:27:37.960 --> 03:27:41.240 Without further ado, let's try to define the meaning of 03:27:43.000 --> 03:27:45.080 architecture policy and public policy. 03:27:45.760 --> 03:27:46.640 Politics policy. 03:27:47.200 --> 03:27:49.040 What are the relations between them? 03:27:49.360 --> 03:27:50.560 What role should play? 03:27:51.120 --> 03:27:53.640 Architecture policy and the system who creates it? 03:27:53.720 --> 03:27:55.560 What sort of challenges are ahead of us? 03:27:55.640 --> 03:27:56.640 I have three questions. 03:28:01.680 --> 03:28:06.240 You will decide which one you will answer first. 03:28:09.360 --> 03:28:15.680 Generally, let us start with the issue of architecture policy. 03:28:15.760 --> 03:28:17.440 Public policy. 03:28:18.560 --> 03:28:25.040 Are architects and architecture important entities in creating public policy? 03:28:25.200 --> 03:28:28.240 This is the first question, 03:28:34.640 --> 03:28:36.640 of course, wonderful to be in such 03:28:36.720 --> 03:28:42.360 a distinguished company, but I've heard about politics, 03:28:42.440 --> 03:28:44.960 so being in politics, I've reacted. 03:28:47.360 --> 03:28:49.760 I think that Janusepio 03:28:50.240 --> 03:28:54.880 very nicely diagnosed or defined 03:28:56.000 --> 03:28:59.200 the meaning of architecture policy. 03:29:00.320 --> 03:29:03.760 I think that's a good starting point. 03:29:04.280 --> 03:29:07.760 Discussion regarding what sort of elements, 03:29:07.840 --> 03:29:13.080 at least on local level, should be included in architectural policy. 03:29:14.040 --> 03:29:16.440 Architecture policy, as any public policy, 03:29:16.520 --> 03:29:21.320 is simply a set of tools which are meant 03:29:23.000 --> 03:29:24.840 building a certain public goal. 03:29:26.520 --> 03:29:29.320 For me, one element is especially important element. 03:29:29.800 --> 03:29:32.000 We don't speak enough, especially in Poland. 03:29:32.080 --> 03:29:38.920 In my opinion, it's the element connected with the fact that before 03:29:40.440 --> 03:29:45.440 public policy is created, we need to have certain common values. 03:29:45.520 --> 03:29:51.000 And to have certain common values we need to have a certain level 03:29:51.080 --> 03:29:56.120 of knowledge, education, so that public debate 03:29:57.720 --> 03:30:02.560 has a chance to create these values. 03:30:02.640 --> 03:30:03.840 And I think there is always. 03:30:03.920 --> 03:30:05.560 It's always a challenge at every level. 03:30:06.040 --> 03:30:11.440 We as cities are currently dealing with the issue of general plans. 03:30:11.520 --> 03:30:16.920 And I am afraid it's a process which is 03:30:19.800 --> 03:30:22.960 which despite our efforts to involve 03:30:23.040 --> 03:30:25.120 local communities, is not that inclusive. 03:30:25.200 --> 03:30:28.560 Of course we want the value of local communities to be reflected. 03:30:28.640 --> 03:30:34.000 However, I'm full of doubts that it's not happening, as I agree it should. 03:30:34.960 --> 03:30:36.560 And this fourth element. 03:30:36.640 --> 03:30:40.160 Janusz pointed to the architectural awards, architectural 03:30:40.240 --> 03:30:41.920 education and so on, so forth. 03:30:42.000 --> 03:30:47.200 I think in Poland, unfortunately we are quite behind and 03:30:48.840 --> 03:30:50.760 we simply are not aware of society. 03:30:52.840 --> 03:30:59.400 How it can affect our quality of life, how it can affect our everyday functioning. 03:30:59.640 --> 03:31:01.480 Parallel to today's conference, 03:31:02.600 --> 03:31:06.760 there is a big Velocity event in Gdansk. 03:31:06.840 --> 03:31:13.080 Yunarozin presented a postulate there of the so called cave people, 03:31:14.600 --> 03:31:17.320 Citizens Against Virtual Existence. 03:31:18.680 --> 03:31:20.920 I think I got the acronym right. 03:31:22.280 --> 03:31:24.600 He said that in reality we should create 03:31:24.680 --> 03:31:29.720 a movement or a citizen movement of people 03:31:31.720 --> 03:31:37.240 will get us out of this virtual life, 03:31:37.640 --> 03:31:43.720 which unfortunately we are sinking in deeper and deeper, 03:31:43.800 --> 03:31:47.880 it seems due to remote work, the 03:31:49.320 --> 03:31:51.040 consequences of the Pandemia and so on. 03:31:51.120 --> 03:31:54.440 To me it's an example of discussion about 03:31:55.560 --> 03:31:58.480 policy, a discussion about a goal. 03:31:58.560 --> 03:32:04.880 Because cities should be a place which uses architecture policy, 03:32:04.960 --> 03:32:09.920 which use agriculture policy to create common good, to create a community, 03:32:10.240 --> 03:32:12.720 to create lively cities. 03:32:13.680 --> 03:32:17.120 Of course, there are many more values here that should be mentioned. 03:32:20.080 --> 03:32:25.440 Two or three weeks ago I was in Osaka Expo 2025 03:32:26.560 --> 03:32:30.000 and one concrete but drastic example 03:32:31.920 --> 03:32:35.040 of architecture which shapes or 03:32:35.120 --> 03:32:39.920 may shape negatively our community. This is Japan. 03:32:40.560 --> 03:32:45.520 This could be a drastic example, but for lunch I went to a restaurant where 03:32:46.000 --> 03:32:47.600 each of us sat in a box, 03:32:48.480 --> 03:32:55.840 had a phone charger and could eat lunch 03:32:56.000 --> 03:32:58.080 totally alone, just with virtual reality. 03:32:58.480 --> 03:32:59.920 To me it's a bit. 03:33:00.960 --> 03:33:04.000 It's a simple example, but somewhat drastic in my opinion, 03:33:04.640 --> 03:33:09.360 which an example which leads to breaking up of local communities. 03:33:10.960 --> 03:33:15.520 It's an example for which I think we should formulate, 03:33:15.840 --> 03:33:19.920 because I would formulate architecture policies which will counteract 03:33:21.040 --> 03:33:23.760 this type of negative example. 03:33:25.040 --> 03:33:28.960 Of course you can add to that public health safety a number of other elements 03:33:30.560 --> 03:33:37.040 which should be these values which constitute the basis for creating this 03:33:37.920 --> 03:33:40.800 cohesive architectural policy. Thank you very much. 03:33:41.200 --> 03:33:41.840 And emerge. 03:33:41.920 --> 03:33:46.400 I was in Saka recently too and I was looking at this airport. 03:33:48.320 --> 03:33:50.800 As you know, this airport is slowly sinking. 03:33:51.120 --> 03:33:52.900 These are the conditions they have there. 03:33:55.760 --> 03:33:58.720 I haven't been to Osaka two weeks ago, 03:34:00.800 --> 03:34:04.040 but every day I take the underground 03:34:04.120 --> 03:34:06.000 and the situation is identical. 03:34:07.440 --> 03:34:13.120 Each and every of the passengers who enters the train immediately takes out 03:34:13.440 --> 03:34:17.440 their phone and doesn't talk, doesn't engage, 03:34:17.520 --> 03:34:19.720 doesn't and look around simply, 03:34:21.240 --> 03:34:25.680 simply slides his or her finger over 03:34:25.760 --> 03:34:31.920 the screen and lives in that telephone, Internet virtual world. 03:34:32.000 --> 03:34:33.800 Who knows what he or she is watching. 03:34:33.880 --> 03:34:38.160 Hopefully this is Not X rated 03:34:38.240 --> 03:34:40.920 content or other sort of content. 03:34:42.520 --> 03:34:46.240 But we are in some more problematic situation 03:34:46.320 --> 03:34:50.240 here because most of the things that were important 03:34:50.480 --> 03:34:55.600 and remain important for the architecture policy which we are talking about 03:34:56.640 --> 03:35:03.760 have basically been said already here. 03:35:05.120 --> 03:35:08.480 Senator Sepio has presented it very well. 03:35:11.440 --> 03:35:14.920 Colleague has also said here that it can be downloaded from Internet. 03:35:15.000 --> 03:35:18.080 If somebody wants to read it more carefully, I'm sure I'm going to do it 03:35:18.160 --> 03:35:21.520 because it's very interesting and it's well prepared. 03:35:21.760 --> 03:35:27.200 However, there is one more area which 03:35:28.560 --> 03:35:29.440 would help us 03:35:31.040 --> 03:35:34.080 with everything that we're talking about, that is in creating 03:35:34.960 --> 03:35:40.720 in Poland through architectural policy, because frankly speaking, 03:35:40.800 --> 03:35:45.680 what we have been doing till now, for about a quarter century, 03:35:45.760 --> 03:35:51.200 I've been participating in various events, 03:35:52.160 --> 03:35:56.880 action steps, aiming at developing 03:35:56.960 --> 03:35:59.040 this national architectural policy. 03:35:59.120 --> 03:36:01.760 And frankly speaking, I'm completely discouraged 03:36:03.000 --> 03:36:09.560 when it comes to continuing with the subject in years to come. 03:36:11.240 --> 03:36:16.760 I've heard, for example, that if in any 03:36:17.480 --> 03:36:20.040 document which you're going to present 03:36:20.360 --> 03:36:27.240 for approval in national legislation, there will be the word Baukultur or, 03:36:27.760 --> 03:36:29.280 or Bauhaus or 03:36:33.280 --> 03:36:36.560 Green Deal, then definitely 03:36:36.640 --> 03:36:39.840 that will be dropped legislation. Why? 03:36:40.720 --> 03:36:44.320 Well, please make your own conclusions. Why? 03:36:46.720 --> 03:36:48.880 Why? There is such. 03:36:49.600 --> 03:36:51.360 Why? I've heard the words I've heard. 03:36:52.880 --> 03:36:59.120 But there is one more field area which we should pay attention to, 03:36:59.680 --> 03:37:06.000 and that is referring in all those actions to 03:37:07.760 --> 03:37:13.920 what we generally refer to as science, the Committee of Architecture 03:37:14.000 --> 03:37:20.240 and Urban Planning, specifically, since the first day of 03:37:21.640 --> 03:37:25.120 starting an institution which we call the national center 03:37:25.200 --> 03:37:30.000 for Science in Poland, and whose task is to basically 03:37:30.080 --> 03:37:33.000 distribute funds for scientific research. 03:37:33.720 --> 03:37:39.560 Well, that national center for Research, unfortunately, right from the beginning, 03:37:40.520 --> 03:37:47.000 has not agreed for creating a panel entitled Architecture 03:37:47.160 --> 03:37:50.520 Urbanism or anything like that. 03:37:51.640 --> 03:37:58.200 I don't know why, frankly, I don't know. 03:37:59.800 --> 03:38:03.080 With such fierce attitude, 03:38:06.280 --> 03:38:08.200 even at the very first meeting where 03:38:10.120 --> 03:38:14.040 Committee of Architecture and Urbanism went, and the deans of faculties 03:38:14.120 --> 03:38:19.560 of architectural schools to meet with the representatives of the national center, 03:38:19.880 --> 03:38:26.200 but the team from the institutes, very dramatically, sternly, 03:38:26.920 --> 03:38:30.800 definitely refused creating such a panel. 03:38:30.880 --> 03:38:32.760 And this is continuing. 03:38:33.880 --> 03:38:39.320 Just a month ago we've received once again a letter from which it stands 03:38:39.400 --> 03:38:41.080 that we have nothing to expect. 03:38:43.240 --> 03:38:44.440 Why am I mentioning that? 03:38:44.520 --> 03:38:46.600 Because, well, 03:38:49.720 --> 03:38:52.760 trying to prove that science, after all, 03:38:52.840 --> 03:38:56.200 does have something to say when it comes to architecture and urbanism. 03:38:57.880 --> 03:39:02.040 Together in the committee we've prepared a publication entitled 03:39:02.680 --> 03:39:05.800 Architectural Urban Planning Science. 03:39:05.880 --> 03:39:12.000 And we sent out this book to many decision makers 03:39:12.560 --> 03:39:15.360 so that they would acquaint themselves. No reaction. 03:39:16.880 --> 03:39:23.280 I think that here we would need help from 03:39:25.040 --> 03:39:25.760 professional 03:39:26.720 --> 03:39:29.600 bodies, professional institutions that exist in Poland, 03:39:29.680 --> 03:39:32.640 because I'd like to remind you, there was a time when, 03:39:34.800 --> 03:39:39.600 as part of making the work of various institutions more efficient, 03:39:41.200 --> 03:39:45.120 a certain deregulation, as they refer to it, took place. 03:39:45.200 --> 03:39:47.920 And this deregulation, it was a certain. 03:39:48.080 --> 03:39:53.040 That urban planning is not a field of 03:39:53.920 --> 03:39:57.360 public trust provision, public trust. 03:39:57.840 --> 03:40:01.200 That's why the service government chamber of urban planners, 03:40:01.440 --> 03:40:04.280 whose function was to watch over 03:40:04.360 --> 03:40:08.800 the quality of local 03:40:10.560 --> 03:40:14.040 plants, Urban planning was basically crossed 03:40:14.120 --> 03:40:16.640 out as a profession of public trust. 03:40:17.200 --> 03:40:22.960 And today, practically speaking, anyone who has a computer at home, 03:40:25.440 --> 03:40:29.680 every son or daughter of a local city official, 03:40:30.800 --> 03:40:37.200 can draw a city plan local, and that plan has a chance to be approved 03:40:37.760 --> 03:40:38.960 by the city council. 03:40:39.040 --> 03:40:43.800 The profession of urban planner was basically depreciated. 03:40:43.880 --> 03:40:47.360 And then we talk about spatial chaos. 03:40:48.960 --> 03:40:53.560 There's basically no one who controls it, who watches it, it watches over it. 03:40:53.640 --> 03:40:57.880 I think that regardless of whether urban planning 03:40:58.600 --> 03:41:03.600 should be part of that architecture policy, or perhaps vice versa, 03:41:03.680 --> 03:41:09.240 perhaps architecture should be part of urban planning policy 03:41:09.960 --> 03:41:11.480 created by the state. 03:41:12.920 --> 03:41:15.120 These are of course questions up to a discussion. 03:41:15.200 --> 03:41:17.720 Let's not close any. 03:41:18.200 --> 03:41:19.200 Any possibilities here. 03:41:19.280 --> 03:41:23.240 But I do think that what I've said is 03:41:24.440 --> 03:41:26.360 a certain detail in this situation 03:41:26.600 --> 03:41:30.920 in which we are at this point without 03:41:31.640 --> 03:41:35.400 having in Poland this either 03:41:36.280 --> 03:41:40.520 architecture policy or any other policy connected with space. 03:41:40.600 --> 03:41:43.800 After all, this is an individual 03:41:44.960 --> 03:41:50.280 acid which depletes very quickly because 03:41:50.360 --> 03:41:54.920 it's simply misused in many places and it's not going to recover to come back. 03:41:55.000 --> 03:41:56.260 Thank you very much. 03:41:56.400 --> 03:42:02.960 Very briefly, I can say that it's not only that a lot has been said 03:42:04.400 --> 03:42:07.000 by our guests, by speakers, by us, by ourselves. 03:42:07.080 --> 03:42:09.560 I'd like so to refer to what you just said about. 03:42:09.640 --> 03:42:12.120 About the quality of architecture, about architecture policy. 03:42:12.680 --> 03:42:16.920 I do have the impression that we all generally have an idea of what it should 03:42:17.000 --> 03:42:20.520 look like and how important it is from the point of view of public interest. 03:42:21.080 --> 03:42:24.200 In my view, it all boils down to how 03:42:24.280 --> 03:42:29.480 to introduce basically into action. 03:42:30.040 --> 03:42:33.000 And one way, I think is regulation. 03:42:33.800 --> 03:42:37.760 I believe that regulations in Poland simply will force 03:42:39.760 --> 03:42:45.680 the actors of that scene to employ architecture 03:42:47.520 --> 03:42:53.840 in the sense urban quality, to increasing its importance through quality. 03:42:54.080 --> 03:42:56.960 The way we have in France, where we have a legislation Architecture 03:42:57.040 --> 03:43:00.480 act on Architecture, where it says architecture is public good 03:43:00.640 --> 03:43:02.560 as opening, therefore it's protected by law. 03:43:03.480 --> 03:43:08.040 That's one, regulations and two, and all this chaos. 03:43:09.560 --> 03:43:15.880 Very good example is very policy of the Pact for Space from Krakow, 03:43:16.120 --> 03:43:20.120 which is currently being implemented through policy 03:43:20.280 --> 03:43:22.440 which Janus Sepio has presented. 03:43:22.520 --> 03:43:25.720 I think these are the two aspects I wanted to point out. 03:43:25.800 --> 03:43:31.600 So first of all, regulations which will bring the value of architecture 03:43:31.680 --> 03:43:35.800 up as Public good and good practice, which is possible, which we can observe. 03:43:35.880 --> 03:43:39.040 And Krakow, if I could add 03:43:39.920 --> 03:43:42.080 a bit of a bitter note here, 03:43:45.440 --> 03:43:47.600 the best constitution, the best pact, 03:43:47.680 --> 03:43:52.720 will be dead until there is someone who will want to do things. 03:43:52.800 --> 03:43:56.360 We are in a city where things are happening and it's done 03:43:56.440 --> 03:43:58.280 by specific concrete people. 03:43:58.360 --> 03:43:59.760 There is the team of President. 03:44:02.560 --> 03:44:07.600 Mr. President here, who the reputation of the city architect is bringing up. 03:44:07.680 --> 03:44:10.560 He's doing it. And it's also constant work. 03:44:12.800 --> 03:44:19.080 Let's not believe that we will be able to once again write down all these wise 03:44:19.160 --> 03:44:21.220 things and then we'll know how to live. 03:44:21.440 --> 03:44:23.720 No, unfortunately, you have to get up every morning 03:44:23.800 --> 03:44:25.200 and start your work every day. 03:44:25.280 --> 03:44:26.720 And that's the way it happens. 03:44:26.800 --> 03:44:29.680 Of course we've been able to do a lot because the quality of 03:44:30.160 --> 03:44:31.840 urban space is increasing. 03:44:32.800 --> 03:44:35.920 By the way, I'm against contests, forced contests. 03:44:36.000 --> 03:44:39.800 Contests have to be organized well and they create a chance, but they cannot 03:44:39.880 --> 03:44:41.600 be part of an act just to have them. 03:44:41.840 --> 03:44:43.600 Because it's no solution. Frankly. 03:44:44.800 --> 03:44:47.160 It's also something where I would like. 03:44:47.240 --> 03:44:50.000 I would like to steer this direction, this discussion, that direction. 03:44:52.400 --> 03:44:55.000 This discussion has not been pre agreed on. 03:44:55.080 --> 03:44:56.640 So I'm interested which way it goes. 03:44:56.720 --> 03:45:01.760 But you said just one word yesterday about today's debate. 03:45:01.840 --> 03:45:04.400 Mostly the architecture expresses culture. 03:45:04.960 --> 03:45:09.560 You know, prior to midnight I browsed 03:45:09.640 --> 03:45:12.040 through the papers and I found an actual. 03:45:12.480 --> 03:45:16.480 An act from 3 January 1977 03:45:16.640 --> 03:45:19.680 on Architecture amended in 2018. 03:45:20.000 --> 03:45:24.080 And yes, the first article says Architecture expresses culture, 03:45:25.600 --> 03:45:28.000 just as you said. And there is a commentary to it. 03:45:28.080 --> 03:45:28.880 Let me read it. 03:45:29.360 --> 03:45:34.400 Architectural creation, the quality of buildings and harmonious 03:45:35.040 --> 03:45:40.360 arranging them in space, respecting natural landscape and urban landscape and 03:45:41.720 --> 03:45:43.960 heritage are in the public interest. 03:45:44.680 --> 03:45:51.560 Authorities issuing consents and those giving consent for development 03:45:51.880 --> 03:45:56.760 need to make sure that when decisions are made, this public interest is respected. 03:45:58.280 --> 03:45:59.000 End quote. 03:45:59.960 --> 03:46:03.200 Thank you very much for inviting me to such an extension. 03:46:03.360 --> 03:46:08.560 Extended distinguished panels as a representative of Garrison, 03:46:08.640 --> 03:46:14.960 which is a district that is rather positive in its perception, 03:46:15.040 --> 03:46:18.840 even though it is not extreme in any way. 03:46:18.920 --> 03:46:21.760 We have this balance between space and buildings. 03:46:21.840 --> 03:46:25.280 And in terms of architectural public policy, one could think 03:46:25.360 --> 03:46:27.360 about that to what an extent. 03:46:27.840 --> 03:46:32.720 This strict division that still is visible 03:46:33.120 --> 03:46:35.120 in our cities, namely that public space 03:46:35.200 --> 03:46:37.720 is oftentimes designed by road builders. 03:46:37.800 --> 03:46:39.920 And whilst architecture has shifted 03:46:44.400 --> 03:46:46.160 the areas to be developed, 03:46:50.320 --> 03:46:53.600 this is a division that probably should be eradicated. 03:46:53.680 --> 03:46:59.920 But a number of are designed by people who have no idea 03:47:00.560 --> 03:47:04.640 about urban planning or some basic arrangement tools they 03:47:05.840 --> 03:47:07.920 don't know the notion of rhythm and so on. 03:47:08.080 --> 03:47:12.320 And all this impacts the way we perceive Architecture. 03:47:13.200 --> 03:47:17.720 Another thing I'd like to say is referring to the moment that we share. 03:47:17.800 --> 03:47:20.640 Of course I subscribe to everything that has been said said so far. 03:47:20.720 --> 03:47:23.560 But let's bear in mind where we are in history, haven't been 03:47:23.640 --> 03:47:25.360 a free country for a long time. 03:47:25.680 --> 03:47:28.480 We are no France, we are no Sweden. 03:47:29.680 --> 03:47:33.680 Freedom, it's something we've known for the last 30 years or so. 03:47:33.920 --> 03:47:36.480 So let's bear in mind that the law that we 03:47:37.520 --> 03:47:42.160 rely on has been developed on the basis 03:47:42.240 --> 03:47:45.200 of actually the rule fighting corruption. 03:47:45.280 --> 03:47:49.280 And maybe the time has come for us 03:47:50.640 --> 03:47:54.480 to actually point the paragons, 03:47:54.640 --> 03:47:57.840 the persons of authority, and introduce some softer provisions 03:47:57.920 --> 03:48:04.080 in law, and not those strict ones that public officers of different states. 03:48:06.480 --> 03:48:11.640 We are happy to have well qualified public officers, 03:48:12.040 --> 03:48:19.000 but the other ones oftentimes stick to the letter of law a bit too much, 03:48:19.080 --> 03:48:23.480 oftentimes making decisions that actually are counterproductive. 03:48:24.200 --> 03:48:29.000 So you might end up with a decision that a window has to be actually 03:48:29.560 --> 03:48:32.280 put bricks on for more light to get in. 03:48:32.360 --> 03:48:37.320 And you know, this case found its way to the law court of third instance. 03:48:37.480 --> 03:48:41.560 But in public administration a number of things would have to be reorganized 03:48:41.640 --> 03:48:47.320 for us to start thinking in a more mature way, more softly, so as to reach 03:48:47.400 --> 03:48:49.840 consensus and take a more holistic view. 03:48:50.000 --> 03:48:55.440 I'm very happy that these days are soon to come. 03:48:55.680 --> 03:48:57.920 I certainly hope it will happen in no time. 03:48:58.480 --> 03:49:02.400 Thank you very much for your invitation. 03:49:02.560 --> 03:49:06.520 Responding to your question question on what public policy is and what 03:49:06.600 --> 03:49:10.200 architectural policy is, you need to first respond to the question 03:49:10.280 --> 03:49:11.960 about the goal of these policies. 03:49:12.040 --> 03:49:17.520 And the goal is to to develop something that could be 03:49:18.000 --> 03:49:20.560 considered some kind of spatial order. 03:49:20.800 --> 03:49:25.200 The spatial order and architectural order are two separate issues. 03:49:26.080 --> 03:49:31.520 Spatial order is understood more broadly, social, economic issues 03:49:31.600 --> 03:49:33.440 and environmental issues set in. 03:49:33.680 --> 03:49:38.080 It even goes beyond divisions into municipalities, 03:49:38.160 --> 03:49:42.320 whereas the architectural one is more about those spaces, buildings. 03:49:42.400 --> 03:49:47.360 Now, when we talk about architectural policy and spatial policy in the city, 03:49:48.320 --> 03:49:53.200 I can see my role as a mediator because on a daily basis 03:49:54.160 --> 03:49:58.520 I am confronted with some conflicting interests from, for example, the owners of 03:49:59.240 --> 03:50:03.640 certain plots that have inhabited them for some 03:50:03.720 --> 03:50:08.440 time, and then the investor who comes in and they have 03:50:08.680 --> 03:50:12.520 certain hopes related to return on investment. 03:50:12.920 --> 03:50:16.600 Then you've got neighbors who might have completely different expectations. 03:50:16.680 --> 03:50:18.560 For example, in Gdynia, in the new city council, 03:50:18.640 --> 03:50:22.120 you've got cancelers of different sensitivity, expressing different needs, 03:50:22.360 --> 03:50:26.520 and also having promised their voters something completely different. 03:50:26.600 --> 03:50:29.480 So definitely part of my role is to search 03:50:29.560 --> 03:50:32.920 for compromise in terms of architectural policy. 03:50:33.000 --> 03:50:36.760 In our city, in Dania, we do not have a city architect. 03:50:37.000 --> 03:50:42.080 We have the head of the architect to rule the division that issues decision on, 03:50:42.160 --> 03:50:45.240 for example, the conditions for building or construction permits. 03:50:45.320 --> 03:50:51.640 But I'm open to us actually establishing such an institution, 03:50:51.720 --> 03:50:54.200 such a role in Gdynia. 03:50:54.280 --> 03:50:58.240 I'm open to that and I can even declare it informally and open up 03:50:59.280 --> 03:51:03.200 a context, a contest formally. 03:51:03.280 --> 03:51:06.640 But I would like to be a facade like entity. 03:51:07.200 --> 03:51:10.960 I would even like someone to 03:51:11.760 --> 03:51:16.280 formulate a laboratory job description. 03:51:16.360 --> 03:51:18.840 So what could this person contribute? 03:51:18.920 --> 03:51:24.160 How I could persuade my boss to actually agree to establishing such a position? 03:51:24.720 --> 03:51:27.760 And what could be communicated to the inhabitants? 03:51:27.840 --> 03:51:29.760 What kind of benefits could I promise? 03:51:29.840 --> 03:51:35.360 And would such a person be a guarantee that the public space quality increases? 03:51:35.440 --> 03:51:39.640 So again, as a person responsible for spatial policy and architecture 03:51:40.120 --> 03:51:43.480 construction of properties in Gdynia, I very much wish something 03:51:43.560 --> 03:51:45.880 constructive to happen in Gina. 03:51:49.080 --> 03:51:50.440 Let me sum up briefly. 03:51:50.760 --> 03:51:55.160 So, public policy embodies the activities taken up 03:51:55.240 --> 03:52:00.120 by the city authorities for the benefit of broadly understood communities. 03:52:00.200 --> 03:52:06.080 And spatial policy is clearly and directly related with this public policy policy. 03:52:06.400 --> 03:52:09.440 That's my recapitulation of what I've heard from you. 03:52:09.520 --> 03:52:12.800 Unless you want to contribute something more to this summary. 03:52:14.000 --> 03:52:20.400 I'm not sure whether that would be the response to this recapitulation. 03:52:20.480 --> 03:52:23.840 But I would like to contribute on the architectural policy. 03:52:24.240 --> 03:52:28.800 I'd like to say that it is very broad and I will include one more thing. 03:52:29.120 --> 03:52:33.000 I believe that education is of dental importance. 03:52:33.160 --> 03:52:34.080 We've mentioned that. 03:52:34.160 --> 03:52:37.320 But what is also important in creating this policy 03:52:39.000 --> 03:52:41.000 is strong social organizations. 03:52:42.440 --> 03:52:48.520 The organizations that in the proper way and not for profit through 03:52:48.600 --> 03:52:51.160 blackmailing city councilors. 03:52:52.840 --> 03:52:56.080 These are some cases that we know from Warsaw, for example. 03:52:56.160 --> 03:52:59.840 So I'm talking here about strong response, responsible social organizations 03:53:00.160 --> 03:53:04.640 that responsibly act towards what we call the common good. 03:53:07.200 --> 03:53:12.040 I'm not sure we've used this notion today, but this common good is something that has 03:53:12.120 --> 03:53:16.360 to be emphasized and we need to bear that in mind. 03:53:16.440 --> 03:53:17.520 Common good. 03:53:17.760 --> 03:53:22.720 Another thing that is worthwhile mentioning is that 03:53:24.640 --> 03:53:29.760 people who are responsible for sustaining this common good in our field 03:53:31.520 --> 03:53:33.760 needs to be truly brave. 03:53:34.160 --> 03:53:37.040 I remember when back in 1995, 03:53:38.320 --> 03:53:41.280 an idea appeared in Warsaw to build 03:53:46.080 --> 03:53:49.240 a complex that is now being dismantled. 03:53:49.800 --> 03:53:51.480 And this is called Atrium. 03:53:52.280 --> 03:53:55.680 A foreign entity wished to build it. 03:53:55.760 --> 03:53:58.920 Everybody was afraid, apart from a single 03:54:00.120 --> 03:54:03.240 public officer in the Wola district. 03:54:04.920 --> 03:54:10.440 There was a prosecutor there waiting what the public officer would do and then bang. 03:54:10.520 --> 03:54:14.360 They wish to catch him red handed. 03:54:15.240 --> 03:54:21.560 And then a city mayor was there that was not afraid. 03:54:21.640 --> 03:54:24.840 The district architect was there who was also brave enough. 03:54:25.000 --> 03:54:30.120 They also had an advisor who was equally brave and an architect who also 03:54:30.680 --> 03:54:35.880 did not shun and he actually advised the foreign company what could be done 03:54:36.440 --> 03:54:40.600 in order to actually leave this idea to 03:54:41.840 --> 03:54:43.440 to fruition and to to 03:54:43.520 --> 03:54:44.720 positive implementation. 03:54:44.960 --> 03:54:47.800 Well, imagine that nothing wrong happened. 03:54:47.880 --> 03:54:49.200 We were not prosecuted. 03:54:49.280 --> 03:54:54.880 The buildings were built and stood there for quite a while. 03:54:54.960 --> 03:55:00.000 Now they are morally updated, so they are being torn down, 03:55:00.080 --> 03:55:01.440 but that's a different story. 03:55:01.520 --> 03:55:08.240 So this carriage in action, when you are sure that you act for the 03:55:09.360 --> 03:55:13.920 public good for this common benefit is absolutely necessary. 03:55:14.000 --> 03:55:19.360 And this is something that to a certain degree can actually 03:55:21.680 --> 03:55:26.720 result in some good examples that you can later use in developing architectural 03:55:26.800 --> 03:55:30.000 policies like the ones we've been discussing here. 03:55:30.560 --> 03:55:31.280 So courage. 03:55:35.440 --> 03:55:39.960 Mr. Mayor is pointing at the fact that that we've exceeded our time limits. 03:55:40.040 --> 03:55:44.400 I guess Mr. Is pretty busy and has other commitments. 03:55:44.480 --> 03:55:48.720 But yeah, we've talked about what instruments we have for running 03:55:48.800 --> 03:55:50.800 a public policy for the common good. 03:55:50.880 --> 03:55:52.960 We talked about the tools that we are missing. 03:55:53.040 --> 03:55:56.920 But let me go straight to question number three because I intended to ask you 03:55:57.000 --> 03:55:58.960 actually about the tools that would be question. 03:55:59.040 --> 03:56:05.200 But let's skip it and let's try to discuss the threads gaps in the system 03:56:05.280 --> 03:56:07.520 and the tasks that lie ahead. 03:56:07.600 --> 03:56:09.300 Let's bring those two together. 03:56:11.760 --> 03:56:12.560 Let me start. 03:56:14.320 --> 03:56:16.160 We have a system of spatial planning. 03:56:16.960 --> 03:56:22.160 We have zoning plans, master plan, the conditions for construction 03:56:22.240 --> 03:56:25.200 of buildings, but with those general master master plans. 03:56:25.280 --> 03:56:30.760 Or we need to of course create transparent, clear legal provisions. 03:56:30.840 --> 03:56:36.160 Because all the zoning plan is the local act and of course architectural 03:56:36.240 --> 03:56:38.960 and urban planning competitions. 03:56:40.640 --> 03:56:46.360 A very good form of actually adapting solutions and also promoting the city. 03:56:46.440 --> 03:56:49.160 But in Dania, the issue was that architectural and urban 03:56:49.240 --> 03:56:54.480 planning companies petitions were obligatory and they were strictly 03:56:54.720 --> 03:56:56.360 related to the zoning plan. 03:56:56.440 --> 03:57:02.760 And then the Pomeranian district claimed that that was not to be the case anymore. 03:57:02.840 --> 03:57:08.240 So let the zoning plan be clear, but let it not impose anything that 03:57:09.520 --> 03:57:11.040 is in addition to law. 03:57:12.480 --> 03:57:15.520 Let us avoid vague provisions. 03:57:18.240 --> 03:57:22.120 There is this prescription, for example, that a building should relate 03:57:22.200 --> 03:57:23.360 to the neighboring one. 03:57:23.760 --> 03:57:27.280 So let's say that you have a five story building that is yellow. 03:57:27.360 --> 03:57:31.920 Somebody wishes to put a dominating high story building that is going to be red. 03:57:32.400 --> 03:57:37.040 So it is actually responding to the neighboring one and relating to it, 03:57:37.360 --> 03:57:38.960 but as a contrasting one. 03:57:39.040 --> 03:57:43.680 So not to allow for this to happen happen, we need to have precise wording 03:57:44.160 --> 03:57:45.520 of the legal provisions. 03:57:48.080 --> 03:57:53.280 When we talk about spatial policy in a metropolis such like the one we have. 03:57:53.520 --> 03:57:56.120 Well, the issues are there on the borderline. 03:57:56.200 --> 03:58:00.480 With some other municipalities we might be running 03:58:00.640 --> 03:58:05.520 a policy that we find to be favorable to the purposes of the metropolis. 03:58:05.600 --> 03:58:10.680 But right next door on the other side of the street we have, 03:58:10.760 --> 03:58:16.400 say, a rural commune or a different one that has 03:58:16.480 --> 03:58:20.080 a separate policy and there is no cohesion across those two. 03:58:20.560 --> 03:58:25.760 Well, actually from the point of views is the entire nation constitutes a single 03:58:26.560 --> 03:58:29.600 whole in terms of economy, a place to live and so on. 03:58:29.680 --> 03:58:32.520 So here we've got this issue that we seem not to have tools 03:58:33.320 --> 03:58:38.560 at the regional or metropolitan level that would make it possible for us 03:58:38.640 --> 03:58:40.680 to run a coherent spatial policy. 03:58:40.760 --> 03:58:43.800 That's the greatest threat and obstacle that I can spot. 03:58:45.240 --> 03:58:48.760 I guess we'll be slowly wrapping up. 03:58:48.840 --> 03:58:49.880 Anybody else? 03:58:52.200 --> 03:58:57.320 Right? Marcin, Just a second. 03:58:58.920 --> 03:59:04.640 Maybe the ME trying to wrap up, referring to what we've heard from. 03:59:06.560 --> 03:59:08.000 I guess it's not with us anymore. 03:59:08.400 --> 03:59:12.720 He mentioned the act on Architectural National Architectural Policy 03:59:12.800 --> 03:59:14.640 or Polish Architectural Policy. 03:59:14.720 --> 03:59:18.880 He also mentioned an act on the profession of the architect 03:59:19.040 --> 03:59:21.840 as well as an act of architecture. 03:59:23.600 --> 03:59:27.840 I would maybe even think that we shouldn't have an act on architecture, 03:59:27.920 --> 03:59:33.640 because that might be something relating more to our ego. 03:59:33.720 --> 03:59:37.680 But perhaps you could think of an act on the quality of public space. 03:59:37.760 --> 03:59:41.120 Maybe that would be a more democratic idea of a wider scope than just 03:59:41.200 --> 03:59:42.680 the one about architecture. 03:59:45.560 --> 03:59:49.360 Piotr Andrewski, a colleague of ours who cooperates very 03:59:49.440 --> 03:59:54.600 closely, both Boleslav and Borders Strekchev and Bartik Maczykowski. 03:59:54.680 --> 04:00:00.920 And why am I mentioning this colleague? 04:00:02.040 --> 04:00:07.760 Because he died on 11 June, a year ago. Precisely. 04:00:07.840 --> 04:00:12.440 And he was the one who, within the Polish Council of Architects or 04:00:12.520 --> 04:00:17.720 the Chamber of Architects, he was the one who developed the first 04:00:18.320 --> 04:00:22.600 variants of the Polish architectural policy and the act on the 04:00:22.680 --> 04:00:23.680 Profession of Architect. 04:00:23.760 --> 04:00:26.080 We also considered an act on architecture. 04:00:26.160 --> 04:00:28.160 So just a small tribute to him. 04:00:30.440 --> 04:00:34.280 So just something I wanted to do now how 04:00:34.360 --> 04:00:39.680 should I really recapitulate and drop up? Okay. 04:00:39.760 --> 04:00:46.360 High quality architecture is a public good and a should be of concern to us all. 04:00:46.440 --> 04:00:47.760 That's the way I would put it. 04:00:48.000 --> 04:00:52.640 If it's not the worst way of putting it, then I thank you very much for your 04:00:52.720 --> 04:00:54.080 participation and attention. 04:00:54.440 --> 04:01:00.800 But we had to somehow fit into the time limits once again. 04:01:00.880 --> 04:01:03.280 If you could stay seated for just a second. 04:01:03.360 --> 04:01:09.600 We would like to thank our speakers once again, particularly our MERs who found 04:01:10.080 --> 04:01:14.160 time in their tight schedule to join us. 04:01:14.720 --> 04:01:16.400 But I would like to add that 04:01:18.800 --> 04:01:21.680 as far as the roles of architects go, 04:01:21.760 --> 04:01:23.600 we have two panels planned for tomorrow. 04:01:23.680 --> 04:01:27.440 So if you have a spur someone please join us. 04:01:28.080 --> 04:01:31.760 Of the new European Bauhaus and the Davos Baukultur process. 04:01:32.080 --> 04:01:38.360 So the topic is wide and spectrum is broad and many things were 04:01:38.440 --> 04:01:39.680 already mentioned today. 04:01:41.600 --> 04:01:44.160 The Bauhaus European Bauhaus and the Baukultura. 04:01:44.240 --> 04:01:48.000 And all this set of qualities was discussed yesterday and today as well. 04:01:48.440 --> 04:01:53.560 And there were some nice reflections already given by the. 04:01:53.640 --> 04:01:57.360 By the panelists in former panels. 04:01:57.600 --> 04:02:00.600 But we will start from two keynote speakers and the first one will 04:02:00.680 --> 04:02:04.320 be the Oliver Martin House. 04:02:05.360 --> 04:02:08.160 From. Sorry, it is kind of stressing. 04:02:08.240 --> 04:02:09.600 Yes, from. 04:02:09.680 --> 04:02:11.200 From Switzerland. 04:02:11.520 --> 04:02:16.360 And Oliver Martin is Swiss Federal Office 04:02:16.440 --> 04:02:22.320 for culture from 2012 and then head of. 04:02:22.400 --> 04:02:26.400 Head of the Section of Baukultur, Chair of the Davos Baukultur alliance 04:02:26.800 --> 04:02:29.680 and delegate of Swiss UNESCO World Heritage Committee 04:02:30.960 --> 04:02:32.480 and many other functions. 04:02:32.640 --> 04:02:36.280 So if we can invite you and thank you very much. 04:02:37.720 --> 04:02:41.880 Good afternoon and thank you very much for inviting me. 04:02:41.960 --> 04:02:44.120 It's a pleasure to be here. 04:02:46.840 --> 04:02:51.560 I stole my first slide from Joao Bentho's publication and we have seen it before. 04:02:51.880 --> 04:02:57.880 And I did that to show you that it is not a coincidence that the Davos Process, 04:02:58.760 --> 04:03:01.960 the new European Bauhaus, the new Leipzig Charter and many other 04:03:02.040 --> 04:03:04.240 things happened these last years. 04:03:04.560 --> 04:03:09.600 And it's not a coincidence either that many countries now have a national 04:03:09.680 --> 04:03:13.120 policy on architecture or balcol, turned here, sorry, to Germany. 04:03:13.200 --> 04:03:17.120 This is still the first edition, but it is 04:03:18.080 --> 04:03:20.640 a reflection of a rising concern 04:03:21.040 --> 04:03:25.440 that our built environment is lacking quality and it has been 04:03:26.800 --> 04:03:30.760 a deficit of quality during these last decades, and that we have 04:03:30.840 --> 04:03:32.480 to plan and to build better. 04:03:32.560 --> 04:03:36.280 And that is why these different initiatives, complementary one to each 04:03:36.360 --> 04:03:39.600 other, are born all during these last years, 04:03:39.760 --> 04:03:43.280 trying to improve the quality for our built environment. 04:03:44.400 --> 04:03:48.920 The Davos process started in 2018 with the Davos Declaration that has 04:03:49.000 --> 04:03:51.840 been mentioned already several times. 04:03:51.920 --> 04:03:55.080 It was adopted by a conference of ministers and it's called 04:03:55.160 --> 04:03:57.080 Davos Declaration and Davos Process. 04:03:57.720 --> 04:04:01.200 Because this conference was organized just in the opening weekend 04:04:01.280 --> 04:04:07.000 of the World Economic Forum taking place in Davos, to show also 04:04:07.160 --> 04:04:09.560 that culture and building culture. 04:04:09.640 --> 04:04:13.680 Baukultur is something really relevant and not a nice decoration 04:04:13.760 --> 04:04:15.000 that you can add to something. 04:04:15.480 --> 04:04:21.400 Baukultur is a concept that says that everything around us, 04:04:21.480 --> 04:04:25.120 our built environment as it is and as we experience it, 04:04:25.200 --> 04:04:30.280 is an expression of our culture and how we shape the built environment, 04:04:30.440 --> 04:04:35.080 what we build, what we plan, also what we do not plan and not build, 04:04:35.160 --> 04:04:40.280 is an expression of building culture, of our Baukultur and high quality. 04:04:40.360 --> 04:04:45.080 Baukultur is striving at a quality approach as a high quality. 04:04:45.400 --> 04:04:48.400 This quality has then been defined with these eight criteria 04:04:48.480 --> 04:04:52.640 that Ruth Jagerman, in the beginning of this morning 04:04:53.760 --> 04:04:58.040 presented already from governance to beauty, touching on all 04:04:58.120 --> 04:04:59.600 the other issues that are important. 04:04:59.680 --> 04:05:05.840 Environment, function, but also Sense of place and diversity and context. 04:05:06.480 --> 04:05:10.640 This is a definition that is a holistic approach, comprehensive 04:05:11.040 --> 04:05:12.640 understanding of quality. 04:05:12.880 --> 04:05:16.800 So we're not talking about esthetics only or about design, 04:05:17.360 --> 04:05:21.840 but about the transversal quality to improve the built environment as a whole. 04:05:21.920 --> 04:05:26.080 And as Jutta Kastner already showed, this has been integrated also in the OMC 04:05:26.400 --> 04:05:29.520 report for high quality architecture. 04:05:31.760 --> 04:05:34.800 When you go to places like this one, this is Expo Rial, 04:05:35.040 --> 04:05:39.760 one of the big fairs of real estate in Europe, or to mipim, 04:05:39.920 --> 04:05:46.000 then you will realize that you are operating in an enormous 04:05:46.080 --> 04:05:50.160 market where you're talking about billions of euros of real estate 04:05:50.240 --> 04:05:51.680 investment and finance. 04:05:51.760 --> 04:05:55.720 And this is not a kind of a new discovery. 04:05:56.440 --> 04:06:02.760 But yet in our debate we were always missing representatives from the business 04:06:02.840 --> 04:06:08.320 sector, from the industries, and we were staying in our bubble to talk 04:06:08.400 --> 04:06:10.920 about our quality criteria and our issues. 04:06:11.480 --> 04:06:12.760 And we wanted to change that. 04:06:12.840 --> 04:06:17.480 And that's why in a second conference of ministers in 2023, 04:06:18.680 --> 04:06:22.320 again in Davos, the Davos Baukultur alliance was launched. 04:06:22.400 --> 04:06:25.160 It is an alliance between the business, the private sector, 04:06:25.320 --> 04:06:30.720 the public sector and the civil society and professional organizations to work 04:06:30.800 --> 04:06:35.000 together to develop a common understanding and to improve the quality. 04:06:35.160 --> 04:06:39.000 All members of this alliance have to commit to the Davos declaration 04:06:39.080 --> 04:06:41.480 and the eight quality criterias. 04:06:41.640 --> 04:06:46.840 And this alliance attracted since 2023 quite a big interest. 04:06:46.920 --> 04:06:53.000 So we now over 80 members from all over the world and working together. 04:06:53.080 --> 04:06:58.120 There are many events, conferences where this dialog takes place, 04:06:59.880 --> 04:07:04.160 but also a really deep work within focus groups. 04:07:04.240 --> 04:07:05.800 They have been mentioned already. 04:07:05.880 --> 04:07:08.200 Today we have four focus groups. 04:07:08.280 --> 04:07:12.560 The three first ones, you can see the topics here are the big themes. 04:07:12.640 --> 04:07:17.720 It's climate change, resilience, sustainable construction and circular 04:07:17.800 --> 04:07:21.480 economy, affordability and social values. 04:07:21.720 --> 04:07:26.480 The special thing maybe is that these themes are connected back to these eight 04:07:26.560 --> 04:07:28.760 criteria, always in a holistic view. 04:07:29.080 --> 04:07:32.520 So it has to be sustainable, but it also has to create a sense of place 04:07:32.600 --> 04:07:37.760 and it has to be affordable and it has to be a reaction against the climate 04:07:37.840 --> 04:07:39.760 change, or at least climate adaptation. 04:07:39.840 --> 04:07:44.400 So this holistic view, and done it in different sectors, 04:07:44.720 --> 04:07:47.840 is the uniqueness of the Davos Bow Culture Alliance. 04:07:48.320 --> 04:07:49.760 Those ones are the first. 04:07:50.080 --> 04:07:54.080 This publication is a publication on the first results and you 04:07:54.160 --> 04:07:59.080 can download it also on the website of the alliance. 04:08:00.440 --> 04:08:05.800 In this publication you will find approaches, innovative case studies, how 04:08:06.520 --> 04:08:10.680 these issues can be tackled in a really good way. 04:08:11.440 --> 04:08:17.880 These are reuse readaptation, culture based solutions, regenerative 04:08:18.520 --> 04:08:23.120 architectures, things that you might have known already or heard 04:08:23.200 --> 04:08:24.360 also elsewhere, elsewhere. 04:08:24.520 --> 04:08:28.840 And I think one of the key issues is that we Also have to talk about money, 04:08:29.080 --> 04:08:35.320 about economic models that foster high quality or others that don't. 04:08:35.880 --> 04:08:40.040 And in the publication there were many ways of doing this. 04:08:40.120 --> 04:08:44.360 Blended finance, pre investment incentives. 04:08:44.840 --> 04:08:50.920 But I believe that we are not yet there because still the public praise 04:08:51.400 --> 04:08:53.880 for the quality mostly. 04:08:54.040 --> 04:09:00.440 And we have to find ways where the high quality becomes the new normal. 04:09:00.520 --> 04:09:03.280 And if it has to be new normal, it has to be scaled up. 04:09:03.360 --> 04:09:07.720 And to scale it up, there has be economic viability to do that. 04:09:07.800 --> 04:09:13.480 So we need confident regulation, but also to get the confident regulation, 04:09:13.960 --> 04:09:15.720 a political majority. 04:09:15.800 --> 04:09:20.120 And to have a political majority in many countries, you need an economic viability. 04:09:20.760 --> 04:09:25.000 And this is something that we want to find out together across these sectors. 04:09:26.360 --> 04:09:30.600 We do also work now with cities because we launched a new 04:09:30.680 --> 04:09:33.440 program to be not far away from the ground. 04:09:33.560 --> 04:09:34.880 It's called Pioneering City. 04:09:34.960 --> 04:09:38.320 And we will start with Geneva and Kuala Lumpur to really work together 04:09:38.400 --> 04:09:44.200 to see how these quality principles and questions can be implemented or 04:09:44.360 --> 04:09:46.720 how the cooperation can work with them. 04:09:47.080 --> 04:09:49.360 I want to highlight two more aspects. 04:09:49.440 --> 04:09:50.960 One is the multi, multi, multi. 04:09:51.040 --> 04:09:55.000 We are always talking about multi sectoral, multidisciplinary, 04:09:55.240 --> 04:09:57.440 multi level cooperation that is needed. 04:09:57.520 --> 04:09:59.320 That's nothing new either. 04:09:59.480 --> 04:10:05.040 But we realize that we do need new methodologies and particularly I believe, 04:10:05.120 --> 04:10:07.080 on the local and maybe national level. 04:10:07.400 --> 04:10:11.760 This is just an example of some members of the alliance. 04:10:11.840 --> 04:10:14.640 And you see how they were, they are how diverse their interests 04:10:14.720 --> 04:10:16.440 also and their competencies are. 04:10:16.680 --> 04:10:20.440 And when you want to work across the sectors, across the levels, 04:10:20.520 --> 04:10:25.560 then I believe that our governance models right now are not fit enough. 04:10:25.640 --> 04:10:29.000 It happens, of course, but it happens always in informal ways 04:10:29.080 --> 04:10:31.080 when the right people meet the right situation. 04:10:31.320 --> 04:10:35.760 But it has to be standardized, that we work across sectors, 04:10:35.840 --> 04:10:36.760 that we work together. 04:10:37.080 --> 04:10:40.160 And this needs new formats and new methodologies. 04:10:41.280 --> 04:10:43.440 Another issue is the global and the local. 04:10:44.880 --> 04:10:49.680 We did have a panel also on this year's Architectural Biennale. 04:10:50.000 --> 04:10:55.560 And the question was a little bit are our eight quality criteria robust enough to be 04:10:55.640 --> 04:10:59.680 valid somehow for the whole world or is it another Western 04:11:00.440 --> 04:11:02.560 export to the Global South? 04:11:02.800 --> 04:11:04.240 Because we know everything better. 04:11:04.640 --> 04:11:09.840 And the panel there was addressing teams and projects and questions 04:11:10.000 --> 04:11:11.440 mainly from the Global South. 04:11:11.600 --> 04:11:16.680 And what turned out and was reassuring for us also was to understand that these 04:11:16.760 --> 04:11:22.720 quality criteria qualities principle are kind of a universal answer. 04:11:22.800 --> 04:11:27.360 Whereas the questions are local and have to be local and the solutions 04:11:27.440 --> 04:11:29.600 have to be local and diverse. 04:11:31.760 --> 04:11:35.040 We are not the only one that are working on quality on the world. 04:11:35.120 --> 04:11:40.960 There's also, for example, the Canadian, they have a big initiative on quality also 04:11:41.040 --> 04:11:47.400 more from an academic point of view and when you go there, this is Toronto, 04:11:47.480 --> 04:11:51.320 then you realize that they have a different baseline than we have, 04:11:51.400 --> 04:11:55.440 because this is an American, globalized American city. 04:11:55.840 --> 04:11:59.760 And quality issues will be discussed differently here than there. 04:12:01.120 --> 04:12:02.800 This is not Toronto. 04:12:03.040 --> 04:12:06.000 This is a suburb from the city of Zurich. 04:12:06.240 --> 04:12:09.520 And when you look at this, then you must see that there is something 04:12:09.680 --> 04:12:12.160 wrong, because, I mean, it looks pretty much the same. 04:12:13.200 --> 04:12:17.760 And maybe what we have to deal with here in Europe is that our 04:12:17.840 --> 04:12:20.400 baseline is the European city. 04:12:20.720 --> 04:12:23.040 The historic layers that we have. 04:12:23.120 --> 04:12:25.040 And that's our strengths, I believe. 04:12:25.280 --> 04:12:30.760 And I don't say that we have to kind of copy historic places, not at all. 04:12:30.840 --> 04:12:35.400 I'm talking not about form or style, but we are talking about the principles, 04:12:35.480 --> 04:12:40.480 about the human scale, about the use of public space, about materialization. 04:12:40.960 --> 04:12:45.520 And this frustration between our historic places that we have in front of our doors 04:12:45.680 --> 04:12:51.760 and these kind of globalized, banal situations that we have around us. 04:12:52.360 --> 04:12:53.480 We have to bridge them. 04:12:53.560 --> 04:12:57.480 And coming back to our cultural diversity. 04:12:57.800 --> 04:13:03.000 And that's why I believe that cultural diversity is a strength for Europe, 04:13:03.080 --> 04:13:06.040 for the European quality of places. 04:13:06.360 --> 04:13:09.240 And it is something that is requested by the people. 04:13:09.480 --> 04:13:12.920 It has to be celebrated also and also defended. 04:13:13.400 --> 04:13:14.360 Thank you very much. 04:13:17.440 --> 04:13:20.280 Thank you very much. The next keynote speaker. 04:13:20.360 --> 04:13:22.020 Thank you for your presentation. 04:13:22.400 --> 04:13:29.120 The next speaker is Andrew Mend, the city architect of Tallinn. 04:13:29.200 --> 04:13:33.680 And it would be great to get to know your perspective, 04:13:34.160 --> 04:13:38.400 which will be from a city which is historical and 04:13:38.880 --> 04:13:41.120 specific in terms of history. 04:13:42.400 --> 04:13:49.000 So maybe I'll add that Andromant is also not 04:13:49.080 --> 04:13:53.280 only the chief architect of the city Tallinn, but also president of the 04:13:55.200 --> 04:13:58.080 Estonian association of Architects. 04:14:00.400 --> 04:14:03.520 Good afternoon, I'm Andre Mend. 04:14:03.600 --> 04:14:08.480 I'm the chief city architect of Tallinn, as mentioned, but I used to be the 04:14:08.560 --> 04:14:12.080 president of the Stone and Archeological. Not anymore. 04:14:18.560 --> 04:14:21.480 Yes, in Estonia we have the Estonian Architectural policy 04:14:21.560 --> 04:14:24.320 document, but it's from the year 2002. 04:14:24.560 --> 04:14:30.160 So back then no one didn't think about climate issues. 04:14:32.000 --> 04:14:34.880 Davos declaration wasn't signed yet. 04:14:35.360 --> 04:14:38.280 New European powerhouse didn't exist yet. 04:14:38.920 --> 04:14:42.600 So it's really old fashioned. It's out of date. 04:14:43.240 --> 04:14:48.120 But the problem is that already back then, 04:14:49.320 --> 04:14:52.040 I would say at the year 2002, it was dead. 04:14:54.040 --> 04:14:58.920 It was at 2002, it felt that now we have the policy document, 04:14:59.240 --> 04:15:02.440 but after that nothing happened. 04:15:05.120 --> 04:15:08.000 So I would say that the patient was in a coma 04:15:09.920 --> 04:15:13.120 because on the state level we didn't have 04:15:13.200 --> 04:15:20.720 any institutions who would be responsible 04:15:20.800 --> 04:15:23.200 for the implementation of this policy. 04:15:23.600 --> 04:15:26.480 So yeah, we had this document, but it was kind of. 04:15:27.200 --> 04:15:30.160 We still have it, but it was kind of useless 04:15:31.120 --> 04:15:34.320 and then at 2018, something happened. 04:15:34.720 --> 04:15:38.800 Do you remember what happened on this year? 04:15:38.880 --> 04:15:41.360 You should all know it by heart. 04:15:44.640 --> 04:15:46.240 It was the Davos declaration. 04:15:46.880 --> 04:15:53.120 And let me say that vanity 04:15:53.280 --> 04:15:54.560 is a powerful tool. 04:15:55.440 --> 04:15:59.640 Here you can see the Ministry of Culture in this red circle. 04:16:00.680 --> 04:16:06.440 And soon we signed this Davos declaration. 04:16:07.000 --> 04:16:13.000 And on the same year, the same minister put together a work group 04:16:14.520 --> 04:16:17.440 which was called Rumiloma. 04:16:17.520 --> 04:16:22.440 It's complicated, translated some kind of space creation work group in Estonia. 04:16:22.520 --> 04:16:28.120 So they analyzed our situation and they compared different countries, 04:16:29.000 --> 04:16:32.680 solutions and what kind of solution would be better for us. 04:16:33.480 --> 04:16:39.240 They involved many, many participants, like there we had 04:16:39.720 --> 04:16:43.560 representatives from the Ministry of Culture, Minister of Economics, 04:16:43.640 --> 04:16:47.720 Ministry of Finance, Ministry of Environment, 04:16:48.360 --> 04:16:51.880 then universities, then bigger municipalities, then 04:16:53.000 --> 04:16:55.240 different institutions like architects association, 04:16:56.120 --> 04:16:59.000 planners, Landscape Architects association and so on. 04:16:59.080 --> 04:17:04.680 And I would say it was a kind of a problem that we had too many participants because 04:17:04.760 --> 04:17:07.880 the final document had to be agreed by all of them. 04:17:07.960 --> 04:17:12.160 And so it's a bit round, I would say, but at least it was some 04:17:12.240 --> 04:17:15.880 kind of first step towards. 04:17:16.800 --> 04:17:22.640 And then on the year 2019, 04:17:22.800 --> 04:17:23.920 we had elections. 04:17:25.120 --> 04:17:29.920 But if I go back a bit, actually the Architects association 04:17:30.000 --> 04:17:35.680 started talks about the State architects institution already 30 years ago. 04:17:36.320 --> 04:17:40.960 And no one didn't take as seriously at the beginning. 04:17:41.280 --> 04:17:43.840 And I would say that the politicians and state level officials, 04:17:44.000 --> 04:17:46.840 they kind of stigmatize architects. 04:17:46.920 --> 04:17:50.560 They said that we want to have a new Albert Speer. 04:17:50.640 --> 04:17:56.240 And they even didn't listen, what do we actually need and what do we want? 04:17:57.680 --> 04:18:02.960 And so we didn't manage to receive 04:18:03.040 --> 04:18:05.280 our goal during 30 years. 04:18:05.760 --> 04:18:12.720 And then at 2018 we felt that, okay, we're quite close. 04:18:13.280 --> 04:18:15.840 And then 2019 we had elections, 04:18:17.760 --> 04:18:21.640 new ministers, and the stories about 04:18:21.720 --> 04:18:24.160 Albert Speer were brought back again. 04:18:26.320 --> 04:18:30.240 Then we decided, okay, it's time to change our tactics. 04:18:31.760 --> 04:18:36.800 And first we stopped using the word state 04:18:36.880 --> 04:18:41.200 architect because it was toxic for politicians then. 04:18:42.400 --> 04:18:48.720 Instead we said that on the state level we need a spatial design department 04:18:48.800 --> 04:18:54.680 that would be responsible for spatial 04:18:54.760 --> 04:18:56.480 planning and this kind of decisions. 04:18:57.680 --> 04:19:03.040 And we collected easily understandable examples of bad solutions that had been 04:19:03.120 --> 04:19:08.680 implemented because no one at the state level had looked at the overall picture. 04:19:09.640 --> 04:19:11.080 Here are some examples. 04:19:11.160 --> 04:19:14.920 It's a tiny town in southern Estonia called Volga. 04:19:15.800 --> 04:19:19.560 They have lost approximately one third of their population during the third year. 04:19:19.640 --> 04:19:21.480 So it's half empty city. 04:19:23.400 --> 04:19:29.000 The Ministry of Economics gave support, financial support to this town, 04:19:29.160 --> 04:19:35.240 so they could demolish those half empty buildings on suburban areas and relocate, 04:19:35.320 --> 04:19:38.240 locate those people to the city center to make the city center 04:19:38.320 --> 04:19:39.560 strong again, at least. 04:19:39.720 --> 04:19:44.200 And at the same time, Minister of Education built a New school building 04:19:44.920 --> 04:19:46.080 to this suburban area. 04:19:46.160 --> 04:19:48.040 You can see the forest nearby. 04:19:49.640 --> 04:19:55.400 So it was quite obvious that it's not the best way how to use public money. 04:19:56.000 --> 04:19:58.080 And so we collected this kind of examples. 04:19:58.160 --> 04:20:02.240 And so it was really easy to explain it to ordinary people 04:20:02.720 --> 04:20:07.120 and also to media and to politicians that why do we need this kind of institution? 04:20:08.640 --> 04:20:10.800 Well, here is one another example as well. 04:20:11.600 --> 04:20:16.880 We have several examples what we collected. 04:20:18.080 --> 04:20:20.400 And so we became lobbyists. 04:20:21.800 --> 04:20:25.880 I would say that during the previous five years I had more than 100 meetings with 04:20:26.840 --> 04:20:32.200 politicians, state level officials, municipalities, journalists and so on. 04:20:34.680 --> 04:20:39.080 The goal was to get the most important municipalities behind us. 04:20:40.280 --> 04:20:46.920 So we explained to bigger municipalities that what they will get 04:20:48.120 --> 04:20:49.400 from this new institution. 04:20:50.040 --> 04:20:53.400 And I would say that we managed to succeed, that at the beginning 04:20:53.480 --> 04:20:57.160 municipalities were strongly against it because they were afraid that the central 04:20:57.240 --> 04:21:00.680 government will intervene into their businesses. 04:21:00.760 --> 04:21:03.800 But when we explained the benefit for them. 04:21:03.960 --> 04:21:07.560 So in one point they started to support this idea. 04:21:09.320 --> 04:21:12.680 Then we held webinars for local governments and also 04:21:12.960 --> 04:21:14.000 visited them physically. 04:21:15.040 --> 04:21:21.120 And we actively engaged with opposition 04:21:21.200 --> 04:21:24.520 politicians, because we have elections after every four years and we 04:21:24.600 --> 04:21:25.680 have coalition governments. 04:21:25.760 --> 04:21:29.280 So usually after two years we have new politicians. 04:21:29.600 --> 04:21:34.040 So and I would say that it was the most 04:21:34.120 --> 04:21:37.360 important thing, because soon we were right. 04:21:37.680 --> 04:21:41.240 They were soon the government. 04:21:41.560 --> 04:21:48.040 And so then it was much more easier for us to remember the promises 04:21:48.120 --> 04:21:49.160 that they gave to us. 04:21:49.720 --> 04:21:53.400 And we also organized election debates before 04:21:54.200 --> 04:21:56.440 both local and parliamentary elections. 04:21:56.840 --> 04:22:02.040 And those debates were broadcasted online by major media houses. 04:22:02.360 --> 04:22:07.000 Here is one picture post IMS at one of the biggest media houses in Estonia. 04:22:07.720 --> 04:22:10.880 So of course, before elections, politicians, they always want 04:22:10.960 --> 04:22:12.600 to come to every kind of meetings. 04:22:12.680 --> 04:22:14.400 And if there is a media, so they are coming. 04:22:14.480 --> 04:22:18.760 And there it was quite easy to get those promises from them. 04:22:20.200 --> 04:22:21.640 And they kept their word. 04:22:22.200 --> 04:22:25.240 And of course we wrote articles and organized conferences 04:22:26.280 --> 04:22:31.720 and raised the issue at every conference where a representative of the association 04:22:32.840 --> 04:22:34.040 was invited to speak. 04:22:35.320 --> 04:22:37.960 And then the heart started beating again. 04:22:38.760 --> 04:22:44.360 At the end of 2023, the government ordered the establishment of the new 04:22:44.440 --> 04:22:46.120 London Spatial Planning Department. 04:22:47.800 --> 04:22:52.040 And since May of this year we have had Estonia's first state 04:22:52.120 --> 04:22:53.480 architect, Denis Arius. 04:22:53.560 --> 04:22:56.760 I hope that next time he can be here instead of me. 04:22:56.840 --> 04:22:57.880 Okay, thank you. 04:22:58.480 --> 04:23:03.360 It's absolutely fantastic story about how we can manage Melby in Poland. 04:23:03.440 --> 04:23:04.480 Also our goals. 04:23:05.040 --> 04:23:07.680 So thank you very much for this instruction. 04:23:08.080 --> 04:23:13.120 And now is the moment quite stressful for me, because I have also fantastic 04:23:13.200 --> 04:23:17.840 guests to the panel discussion. 04:23:17.920 --> 04:23:21.920 And may I have first introduced and 04:23:22.720 --> 04:23:25.120 there will be Marcos Ross Sempere, 04:23:25.600 --> 04:23:30.960 who is the member of European Parliament, chair of The Urban Forum Member 04:23:31.040 --> 04:23:35.880 of Committee of Regional Development, also initiator of the European Friendship 04:23:35.960 --> 04:23:38.040 Group in the European Parliament. 04:23:38.120 --> 04:23:40.800 It sounds really, really good. 04:23:41.920 --> 04:23:46.760 And he will join us online because he has his own duty in the. 04:23:46.840 --> 04:23:48.000 In the European Parliament. 04:23:48.080 --> 04:23:49.760 So he will be online here. 04:23:49.840 --> 04:23:53.920 And also he was asking for having this first minutes of this. 04:23:54.560 --> 04:23:57.920 Of this panel, because he has also some obligations later on. 04:23:58.320 --> 04:24:03.880 So we will give him this virtual floor just at the beginning. 04:24:03.960 --> 04:24:06.560 And also I'd like to invite here 04:24:07.760 --> 04:24:11.840 Kathryn Vilcomber and regenerative 04:24:11.920 --> 04:24:14.640 planning Belgian planner. 04:24:14.720 --> 04:24:17.360 And she's concerned with regenerative planning. 04:24:18.960 --> 04:24:23.840 Experienced in planning, landscape planning, also the permaculture. 04:24:23.920 --> 04:24:26.520 Also experience in many countries 04:24:27.320 --> 04:24:32.360 within the action of UN habitat. 04:24:32.440 --> 04:24:35.480 And they were Vietnam, Colombia and the other countries. 04:24:35.560 --> 04:24:37.640 Katrine, are you here? Yes. 04:24:37.720 --> 04:24:40.840 Okay, so may I ask you here because. 04:24:41.400 --> 04:24:42.440 Please take a seat. 04:24:43.800 --> 04:24:48.040 And then we have Michael van Drische, 04:24:50.040 --> 04:24:53.720 the city architect from Groningen, 04:24:54.360 --> 04:24:58.440 Netherlands, also experience in landscape. 04:24:59.160 --> 04:25:06.040 Founder of the Felix Landscape Planners Nature based Solutions in his experience. 04:25:06.360 --> 04:25:07.400 So please. 04:25:09.720 --> 04:25:11.320 Yeah, you are there. Okay, so. 04:25:11.960 --> 04:25:15.160 And then in the meantime, maybe I'll also 04:25:16.280 --> 04:25:19.480 present Boris Sharakchev, who is the 04:25:22.000 --> 04:25:25.520 member of the executive board of European Union of Architects. 04:25:26.080 --> 04:25:27.520 He is dealing with this 04:25:29.440 --> 04:25:33.800 sector area 3 chamber of. 04:25:33.880 --> 04:25:37.800 Also a member of Chamber of Architects, many functioning Chamber 04:25:37.880 --> 04:25:38.960 of Polish architects. 04:25:40.640 --> 04:25:44.480 And then Thomas Konyor, who is the architect and planner. 04:25:45.280 --> 04:25:51.560 He is the representative of his studio, Conor Studio, experienced architect, 04:25:52.600 --> 04:25:57.160 successful office with many, many valuable prominent buildings 04:25:57.480 --> 04:26:01.400 built in Poland awarded as well. 04:26:01.640 --> 04:26:05.720 And he is always concerned also with culture, music and 04:26:07.400 --> 04:26:09.480 this kind of practical and 04:26:11.080 --> 04:26:15.320 this kind of experience we will have here. 04:26:17.080 --> 04:26:22.520 Then Oliver Martin, if I could 04:26:22.600 --> 04:26:25.280 ask you once again, I will repeat. 04:26:25.360 --> 04:26:29.400 The Swiss Federal Office for Culture Head of the section 04:26:29.480 --> 04:26:32.480 of Baukultur so these are our guests. 04:26:32.560 --> 04:26:36.040 I hope I haven't forgot anyone. 04:26:36.600 --> 04:26:40.640 And yeah, this is something which this is the moment 04:26:40.720 --> 04:26:44.200 when probably I should see as well ask the question. 04:26:44.760 --> 04:26:49.080 There is one other thing which if you accept, 04:26:49.160 --> 04:26:53.040 I would propose also talking about your Europe in Bauhaus 04:26:53.120 --> 04:26:57.120 and Baukultur is not only about talking about all these instruments 04:26:57.200 --> 04:27:01.720 and instruction which you already have seen here, but this is also something 04:27:01.800 --> 04:27:07.720 which is concerned with our social energy, with our belief in the idea. 04:27:07.800 --> 04:27:09.320 Because we are talking in the idea. 04:27:09.560 --> 04:27:11.960 This is probably not. 04:27:12.680 --> 04:27:13.440 Not defined. 04:27:14.040 --> 04:27:18.360 And if you would accept the proposal that I have some set of questions. 04:27:18.440 --> 04:27:19.880 But if you feel. 04:27:19.960 --> 04:27:23.800 Just feel free in asking your questions and posing the question, 04:27:23.880 --> 04:27:28.480 even engaging the audience in our discussion, 04:27:28.560 --> 04:27:33.880 because the better discussion will be about this European Bauhaus. 04:27:34.120 --> 04:27:39.280 If this is like vivid and maybe looking forward, what would 04:27:39.360 --> 04:27:41.400 what it could be not only what it is. 04:27:42.120 --> 04:27:51.080 So, Marcus, if I could ask you about 04:27:54.360 --> 04:27:56.680 some topics which we have already 04:27:58.600 --> 04:27:59.240 discussed. 04:27:59.320 --> 04:28:01.680 Your perspective as a member of European Parliament. 04:28:01.760 --> 04:28:03.880 So this perspective from the. The. 04:28:03.960 --> 04:28:07.760 Let's say, height of this level of European Parliament. 04:28:08.240 --> 04:28:12.560 And what is your 04:28:13.760 --> 04:28:15.960 reflection on how should we deal? 04:28:16.040 --> 04:28:17.120 How could you. 04:28:17.200 --> 04:28:19.600 How the members of European Parliament. 04:28:20.080 --> 04:28:25.440 How your position defines the European Bauhaus? 04:28:26.960 --> 04:28:29.280 Hello, Good morning to everyone. 04:28:29.440 --> 04:28:32.400 First of all, let me thank the European Council 04:28:32.480 --> 04:28:34.560 of Architects for inviting me to to this event. 04:28:34.640 --> 04:28:40.440 And a special thanks for to Ruth and Pierre for continuing me another time. 04:28:41.160 --> 04:28:46.280 Well, as you have mentioned, I will join my perspective both as 04:28:46.360 --> 04:28:49.400 an architect, full professor at the University 04:28:49.560 --> 04:28:52.640 of Urban Planning, but also as a member of the Parliament. 04:28:52.720 --> 04:28:59.080 And I think we are now at a crucial moment, because during the past term it 04:28:59.160 --> 04:29:03.000 was developed the initiative of the new European Bauhaus. 04:29:03.080 --> 04:29:07.440 It was launched the idea first the consultation process, 04:29:07.960 --> 04:29:10.440 secondly, then the official communication. 04:29:10.760 --> 04:29:16.040 Then we tabled a very important report in the European Parliament 04:29:16.120 --> 04:29:18.120 in which I was the rapporteur. 04:29:19.080 --> 04:29:22.800 We demanded two or three very concrete things for the European Commission 04:29:22.880 --> 04:29:25.800 to address to this initiative to go on. 04:29:26.360 --> 04:29:30.520 And I think that now at the end of the 04:29:30.600 --> 04:29:34.000 term, also I was forgotten we launched it. 04:29:34.080 --> 04:29:40.240 I proposed a pilot project to address small cities in small pilot projects 04:29:40.560 --> 04:29:45.920 for addressing small public spaces to be refurbished with the values 04:29:46.000 --> 04:29:47.040 of the new Pembroke. 04:29:47.200 --> 04:29:52.400 I think that now we are at a crucial moment for the developing and 04:29:52.880 --> 04:29:55.600 the deployment of the European Baja initiative. 04:29:55.680 --> 04:29:59.760 Now we have the 500 million euros that we 04:30:00.320 --> 04:30:03.520 asked the European Commission to put on 04:30:03.600 --> 04:30:06.760 the floor on the Horizon Europe programs. 04:30:06.840 --> 04:30:12.080 And the past year, 2024, it was a new European Bauhaus 04:30:12.160 --> 04:30:15.200 destination with 120 million. 04:30:15.440 --> 04:30:21.600 And now one month ago we knew the European Bauhaus facility 04:30:21.680 --> 04:30:27.200 three years with 120 million euros for universities, 04:30:28.240 --> 04:30:34.520 researchers, centers and so on to the PELO solutions for basic on the values 04:30:34.600 --> 04:30:38.240 of the new pember sustainability, beauty and inclusion. 04:30:38.320 --> 04:30:43.320 And I think it's a very good moment because now we are also debating 04:30:43.960 --> 04:30:45.960 two important things for the future. 04:30:46.440 --> 04:30:50.280 On one side, we have the mid term review of the cohesion policy. 04:30:50.760 --> 04:30:55.040 As you may know, I don't want to go very long with this explanation, 04:30:55.120 --> 04:31:00.000 but the cohesion policy is the only financial or investment tool 04:31:00.080 --> 04:31:05.360 that the European Union has to to support cities, municipalities to develop 04:31:05.440 --> 04:31:07.440 projects on built environment. 04:31:08.080 --> 04:31:14.280 And we are now changing the rules of these financial tools. 04:31:14.360 --> 04:31:17.840 The ERDF funding and the cohesion funding. 04:31:19.120 --> 04:31:22.720 It is a good news that it has been incorporated the housing 04:31:23.280 --> 04:31:29.080 objectives as a wide objective, but also under the values of the new European host. 04:31:29.160 --> 04:31:31.880 I Think this, this is a good news at the moment. 04:31:32.120 --> 04:31:36.680 But the second point is that we are debating the next MFF, 04:31:36.760 --> 04:31:39.200 the Multianural Financial Framework 04:31:39.280 --> 04:31:44.600 for the period 2028, 2034. 04:31:44.680 --> 04:31:48.600 And this is of main importance. This is crucial. 04:31:48.840 --> 04:31:54.280 We need to push all the environment, the architects, the urban planners, 04:31:55.560 --> 04:31:59.760 the policymakers, the mayors, the regional authorities. 04:32:00.120 --> 04:32:05.480 We need to push and make pressure on the European Commission to have 04:32:05.720 --> 04:32:10.680 a dedicated budget for the new European Bauhaus initiative. 04:32:11.320 --> 04:32:15.120 On my side, as Rapporteur on the new European Bauhaus 04:32:15.200 --> 04:32:20.280 initiative, but also as chair of the European Urban Forum 04:32:21.000 --> 04:32:24.440 and Reggie coordinator of my group in the European Parliament, 04:32:25.160 --> 04:32:29.120 we are not going to give up this purpose. 04:32:29.200 --> 04:32:31.920 We are going to push every day to have 04:32:33.120 --> 04:32:36.160 at least a dedicated budget for the new 04:32:36.240 --> 04:32:41.200 member house purpose in the following mff. 04:32:41.360 --> 04:32:45.840 So I think that we are in a very delicated 04:32:45.920 --> 04:32:49.200 moment in which new priorities have become 04:32:49.920 --> 04:32:52.640 to our geopolitical reality. 04:32:52.800 --> 04:32:58.720 We have the need for strategic autonomy, we have the need of competitive, 04:32:59.320 --> 04:33:03.880 we have the need of defense and security and military rearm. 04:33:04.040 --> 04:33:06.200 But we have to defend that. 04:33:06.280 --> 04:33:11.000 We need to give the citizens the opportunity to live in spaces 04:33:11.080 --> 04:33:17.640 with culture, with quality of architecture and don't leave anyone behind, which are 04:33:17.720 --> 04:33:19.400 the values of the European Bajaus. 04:33:19.480 --> 04:33:23.360 So I encourage all of you, also the architects that are here this 04:33:23.440 --> 04:33:27.000 morning to go on hand on hand with the policymakers, 04:33:27.080 --> 04:33:29.600 to have this on the next budget. 04:33:30.440 --> 04:33:32.080 Thank you very much. Thank you. 04:33:32.160 --> 04:33:38.320 Now we know that the European Bauhaus has its own framework, but also defined 04:33:41.040 --> 04:33:45.240 in the financial schedule. 04:33:45.840 --> 04:33:48.240 So it seems to be quite precise. 04:33:48.320 --> 04:33:55.240 And Katrin, what is your perspective, how your place as an urban planner, 04:33:56.520 --> 04:33:59.440 how you see European Bauhaus on the level of your city, 04:34:00.080 --> 04:34:03.480 how you perceive this idea as something which could be useful in terms 04:34:03.560 --> 04:34:05.080 of development of your city. 04:34:05.920 --> 04:34:06.600 Thank you. 04:34:07.160 --> 04:34:08.400 Is it working? 04:34:10.600 --> 04:34:15.840 I would say that European Bohus, it is very known as an initiative, 04:34:15.920 --> 04:34:20.840 but I find that the tool that they have developed is not known enough. 04:34:21.480 --> 04:34:25.680 And as a spatial planner, we are discussing this among 04:34:25.760 --> 04:34:27.880 the European Council of Spatial Planning. 04:34:30.200 --> 04:34:32.360 This tool is a very interesting one. 04:34:32.440 --> 04:34:36.040 It's not a table with criteria and lines you have to tick. 04:34:36.200 --> 04:34:40.920 It's a very graphical tool representing the tree circle of sustainability, 04:34:41.000 --> 04:34:43.640 beauty and inclusion, the three values. 04:34:43.720 --> 04:34:46.120 But it's also showing working principles. 04:34:47.080 --> 04:34:51.480 And working principles are very important for planning because it's about 04:34:51.560 --> 04:34:53.560 the governance, it's about the process. 04:34:54.200 --> 04:34:58.760 And this is not always easy to show in a project that how the process has 04:34:58.840 --> 04:35:01.720 been happening and how it should be. 04:35:02.200 --> 04:35:05.320 And so these working principles are the participatory process. 04:35:05.880 --> 04:35:10.600 The multi level engagement and also the transdisciplinary approach. 04:35:11.320 --> 04:35:15.920 And having a tool to be able to evaluate a project 04:35:17.200 --> 04:35:20.160 in the midterm of the project or at the end of the project is 04:35:20.440 --> 04:35:21.760 something that is very interesting. 04:35:21.840 --> 04:35:25.840 And I think as planners in our umbrella association, 04:35:25.920 --> 04:35:32.680 we can really promote this tool because it's accessible and it's very easy to use 04:35:32.760 --> 04:35:37.920 and to share with citizens, with all the stakeholders, with the city hall as well. 04:35:39.120 --> 04:35:40.560 Thank you. Yeah, thank you. 04:35:40.640 --> 04:35:46.400 And yesterday Martina Ivara said in her presentation that we don't. 04:35:47.440 --> 04:35:49.040 It was sounding quite provocative. 04:35:49.120 --> 04:35:51.520 We don't need stakeholders, we need people. 04:35:52.720 --> 04:35:53.520 So this is also. 04:35:53.600 --> 04:35:57.480 Maybe we'll come back to the question, how do you convince people, 04:35:57.560 --> 04:36:00.640 local communities, and maybe this would be a question also for you all. 04:36:00.880 --> 04:36:04.320 How could we convince just ordinary people living in the 04:36:04.400 --> 04:36:06.000 cities that this is idea for them? 04:36:06.160 --> 04:36:09.320 But maybe I will repeat once again the question about in Europe 04:36:09.400 --> 04:36:12.280 in Baohe House and your perspective also from your city, 04:36:12.360 --> 04:36:15.040 Groningen in the Netherlands, and from 04:36:15.120 --> 04:36:20.120 your cultural and from your context. Yes. 04:36:20.760 --> 04:36:25.600 How do you find this idea and how you implement it in what kind 04:36:25.680 --> 04:36:27.880 of lesson we could grab from you? 04:36:28.920 --> 04:36:35.760 Yeah, I think for the European Bauhaus, for us, I think it's a bit in line 04:36:35.840 --> 04:36:37.840 with what what was just said. 04:36:38.160 --> 04:36:43.480 I think it's a very broad initiative and I think for many practitioners it's 04:36:43.560 --> 04:36:45.680 very hard to understand what it is actually about. 04:36:46.880 --> 04:36:53.040 And in that sense it also, I think lacks practical influence or impact sometimes. 04:36:53.120 --> 04:36:57.680 So I would say that it would be very nice to have a good discussion 04:36:59.040 --> 04:37:01.600 on what are actually the agendas that we are targeting. 04:37:01.680 --> 04:37:03.600 I was very happy to hear the introduction. 04:37:03.680 --> 04:37:09.640 We just heard about the agendas of the safety and the climate adaptation agendas. 04:37:09.880 --> 04:37:13.080 Also the fact that, well, the presentation that we just heard 04:37:13.160 --> 04:37:18.160 about the state architect in Estonia that is really linking the practice 04:37:18.240 --> 04:37:22.280 of architecture and urban planning to big societal challenges. 04:37:22.360 --> 04:37:27.400 Because I think in the morning sessions we had a lot of talks which were about 04:37:27.480 --> 04:37:29.400 the cultural value of architecture. 04:37:29.880 --> 04:37:33.000 There was even mention that we should not move along too much with 04:37:35.440 --> 04:37:39.520 the contemporary issues like smart cities or climate adaptation. 04:37:40.000 --> 04:37:45.440 I think until we are not realizing that we have a profession that should address 04:37:45.920 --> 04:37:49.760 these contemporary challenges, we keep talking about architecture as 04:37:49.840 --> 04:37:54.160 something which is a discipline that is not really helpful 04:37:54.240 --> 04:37:56.120 or being instrumental in solving them. 04:37:56.200 --> 04:38:01.360 So I think it's our task to connect the cultural value of architecture 04:38:01.440 --> 04:38:03.600 to the contemporary challenges that we are facing. 04:38:03.720 --> 04:38:06.240 And I think the Bauhaus can play an important role in that. 04:38:06.520 --> 04:38:08.680 I think it's also attempting to do that. 04:38:09.000 --> 04:38:12.520 But in practical terms, I Think we are not experiencing 04:38:12.600 --> 04:38:15.000 enough of its value in that sense. 04:38:15.160 --> 04:38:17.160 Maybe because it's still like open 04:38:17.760 --> 04:38:23.600 box and we don't know what could we add 04:38:25.920 --> 04:38:28.520 what mean the new European powerhouses. 04:38:28.600 --> 04:38:34.520 Boris, may I ask you about your perspective which is the perspective 04:38:34.600 --> 04:38:40.320 of one the practicing architecture then the person who is experiencing our Polish 04:38:40.400 --> 04:38:42.840 reality, which is not easy as we heard 04:38:42.920 --> 04:38:48.760 from Janus Sepio and Professor Stellmach 04:38:50.600 --> 04:38:57.040 but also maybe first of all as an executive board member of ACE and 04:38:58.000 --> 04:39:00.520 yeah, please share your opinion. Thank you. 04:39:00.600 --> 04:39:01.200 Bertek. 04:39:01.920 --> 04:39:05.280 I think that it's very important that we talk in Poland about the new 04:39:05.360 --> 04:39:09.200 European Bauhaus because this discussion, a serious discussion is just 04:39:09.920 --> 04:39:16.320 launched and it's going to be end with another coast due to the another 04:39:16.400 --> 04:39:21.480 circumstances, but especially in gdask where is a place 04:39:21.560 --> 04:39:26.960 where the meaning of the word Solidarity has changed and spread around the world. 04:39:27.680 --> 04:39:31.840 So I must tell that from the very beginning ACE was very 04:39:32.480 --> 04:39:38.160 involved in European Bauhaus and we are the part of the Davos alliance. 04:39:38.560 --> 04:39:43.760 But in the very beginning, when I heard Ursov on the line who made 04:39:43.840 --> 04:39:48.320 a call to make a new European generation. 04:39:48.960 --> 04:39:51.000 It sounds a little bit strange for me. 04:39:51.080 --> 04:39:56.360 And then I after years I started to understand it because there are some 04:39:56.440 --> 04:39:59.840 objectives which makes that our life is quite different. 04:40:00.640 --> 04:40:04.080 For example, extension of lifespan. 04:40:04.480 --> 04:40:10.080 We don't live only in such model that we have grandparents, 04:40:10.160 --> 04:40:13.440 parents and the children, but we have grandparents, parents, 04:40:14.000 --> 04:40:18.840 X generation, egreg generation, on whatever. 04:40:18.920 --> 04:40:21.160 So it's multi generation families. 04:40:21.240 --> 04:40:26.200 We are living then this big switch to the digitalization 04:40:26.360 --> 04:40:29.960 which is AI and not only robots. 04:40:30.200 --> 04:40:35.400 And also when we, when we talk about that, 04:40:35.880 --> 04:40:37.680 that sipworks are living with us. 04:40:37.760 --> 04:40:40.720 It's not, it's not science fiction because I. 04:40:40.800 --> 04:40:46.000 I just can bring the example of Claudia Mitchell who is the. 04:40:46.080 --> 04:40:50.520 The first human being with a biotechnic 04:40:50.600 --> 04:40:53.800 arm and her arm was taken to. 04:40:54.600 --> 04:41:00.480 To Tokyo and she was in a on Florida and she was able to move this arm. 04:41:00.560 --> 04:41:03.800 So well, the elephant is in the room. We. 04:41:04.200 --> 04:41:08.040 We already have new challenges even in houses because we don't 04:41:08.120 --> 04:41:09.920 notice know exactly what's. 04:41:10.160 --> 04:41:14.000 What's the need of this of such people. Then we have. 04:41:14.320 --> 04:41:18.720 We finally realized that we have a really problem with a disaster caused 04:41:18.800 --> 04:41:20.160 by the climate and this. 04:41:20.240 --> 04:41:24.720 All the issues about energy efficiency which we. 04:41:24.800 --> 04:41:28.000 We didn't realize in the very beginning of the 21st century. 04:41:28.560 --> 04:41:31.680 Then we have the very good lesson made by 04:41:32.080 --> 04:41:35.600 pandemic time that we have to rethink 04:41:35.680 --> 04:41:40.520 our style of life and our living as well. 04:41:41.240 --> 04:41:45.600 So then appeared something which we didn't know we have to face 04:41:46.520 --> 04:41:48.680 with the fans and security in Europe. 04:41:50.040 --> 04:41:54.760 Most of us sitting in this room, we don't remember the war well. 04:41:54.840 --> 04:41:55.080 It's. 04:41:55.160 --> 04:41:57.600 It was something which was told by our grandparents. 04:41:58.240 --> 04:42:04.320 So in our conversation on the ace, we. We. 04:42:04.400 --> 04:42:08.880 We realized that we are living in the very beginning of the 21st century. 04:42:09.600 --> 04:42:12.800 Something what I can call re time. 04:42:13.040 --> 04:42:15.120 So, because it's a rethink, 04:42:16.000 --> 04:42:20.560 reuse, recover, rebuild as well. 04:42:21.280 --> 04:42:26.440 And we have to redefine also our professional 04:42:27.240 --> 04:42:29.560 as an architect and just finishing. 04:42:29.760 --> 04:42:34.600 I think that we have to face these old challenges. 04:42:35.080 --> 04:42:40.120 And we architect as profession do our education, which is absolutely 04:42:40.200 --> 04:42:42.200 multidisciplinary, disciplinary. 04:42:42.600 --> 04:42:48.680 We are able to take over the position of coordinator of all this process. 04:42:48.840 --> 04:42:51.600 Because 21st century also 04:42:53.320 --> 04:42:56.160 made us thinking that we can't be only the 04:42:56.240 --> 04:42:59.960 specialists who are taking any decision. 04:43:00.120 --> 04:43:04.360 But we do that in a multidisciplinary, holistic way. 04:43:04.440 --> 04:43:04.840 Yes. 04:43:05.400 --> 04:43:06.680 Thomas, you. 04:43:07.240 --> 04:43:12.600 You are the architect who is just straightly saying building culture. 04:43:13.080 --> 04:43:16.320 So what is in your opinion, what. What is the. 04:43:16.400 --> 04:43:17.720 In context of neuropin balance? 04:43:19.000 --> 04:43:21.440 How do you define your position as 04:43:21.520 --> 04:43:26.560 an architect within these ideas which are 04:43:26.640 --> 04:43:28.600 promoted by the new European Bauhaus? 04:43:28.760 --> 04:43:33.000 Yes, I try to be architect and urban planner together. 04:43:33.160 --> 04:43:33.600 Yes. 04:43:33.680 --> 04:43:40.520 And every day I came from Katowice and it is capital of Silesia region. 04:43:42.600 --> 04:43:45.080 And this region this 04:43:46.920 --> 04:43:51.000 last hundred years hard industry place, 04:43:52.600 --> 04:43:57.400 with coal mines, with steelworks, with 04:44:00.040 --> 04:44:01.640 hard problems today 04:44:02.040 --> 04:44:04.200 with transformation of this region. 04:44:04.440 --> 04:44:10.280 And look for new perspective for this place. 04:44:11.240 --> 04:44:19.840 And there is probably why I'm enthusiastic 04:44:19.920 --> 04:44:24.000 for old tradition of urban planning. 04:44:24.880 --> 04:44:28.000 And it is probably why I'm so 04:44:28.560 --> 04:44:32.080 happy if I observe and take 04:44:32.960 --> 04:44:36.960 good role models from old towns 04:44:37.760 --> 04:44:41.520 with strong impact to the streets, streets 04:44:42.080 --> 04:44:48.560 to city quarters, to townhouses, 04:44:49.760 --> 04:44:52.560 to town squares and parks. 04:44:53.760 --> 04:44:57.360 Because in my opinion last hundred years 04:44:57.440 --> 04:45:02.240 it is too strong impact 04:45:02.400 --> 04:45:04.560 to separated buildings. 04:45:05.120 --> 04:45:10.080 And in my opinion too, it is 04:45:10.680 --> 04:45:13.400 a reason of a lot of problems in city. 04:45:13.600 --> 04:45:20.080 With city tissue, with city membranes, with a lot of aspects today. 04:45:20.600 --> 04:45:25.440 And I try to use this old tradition 04:45:25.880 --> 04:45:30.760 and this God roles models in my works, in 04:45:30.840 --> 04:45:34.600 my projects every day, in every pretext. 04:45:34.720 --> 04:45:39.240 And I try to talk about this aspect. 04:45:39.840 --> 04:45:45.040 How important is this our European tradition with. 04:45:46.320 --> 04:45:47.840 With city planning? 04:45:48.240 --> 04:45:54.600 With this amazing good roles models in. 04:45:54.880 --> 04:45:58.080 In Poland and in Europe and in Poland. 04:45:58.720 --> 04:46:04.240 And today we came back to 04:46:06.000 --> 04:46:11.520 this masters and this amazing places 04:46:13.440 --> 04:46:16.160 in our role, our design. 04:46:17.520 --> 04:46:22.680 Of course, Silesia region is changing every day. 04:46:22.760 --> 04:46:26.080 And it's in the Spanish industry 04:46:29.360 --> 04:46:33.280 districts, industry buildings. 04:46:34.160 --> 04:46:38.160 We try to look for a second life for this building. 04:46:38.240 --> 04:46:42.040 And this is amazing and so interesting aspect. 04:46:42.120 --> 04:46:48.400 And more and more projects and design in our office it is 04:46:48.640 --> 04:46:53.160 refurbishment, reconstruction, remodeling, 04:46:53.920 --> 04:46:58.120 rebuilding of this old buildings. 04:46:58.200 --> 04:47:01.320 And I think it will be more and more 04:47:02.240 --> 04:47:07.160 interesting topic for architects. Thank you very much. 04:47:07.240 --> 04:47:11.760 You evoked the really important topic of history and is also the open question 04:47:12.680 --> 04:47:18.360 how we had learned from history, 04:47:18.680 --> 04:47:21.480 from these grand architectural and 04:47:22.120 --> 04:47:25.280 urban ideas like Garden City, which was actually not never 04:47:25.360 --> 04:47:26.920 consumed in a proper way. 04:47:27.080 --> 04:47:28.680 The same was with a modern city. 04:47:28.760 --> 04:47:33.480 And probably the same was with the history of all these fantastic and then 04:47:33.880 --> 04:47:36.440 progressive ideas of metabolists and the others. 04:47:38.600 --> 04:47:40.920 But the history is, I think, something which was 04:47:42.440 --> 04:47:46.720 during the process, a moment of postmodern architecture, probably postponed 04:47:46.800 --> 04:47:48.760 a little big, like kind of a funny. 04:47:49.960 --> 04:47:52.000 But the ideas were much deeper. 04:47:52.080 --> 04:47:55.720 And maybe your point of view is something which should be something which 04:47:56.680 --> 04:47:58.920 should remind us that the history is very important. 04:47:59.640 --> 04:48:04.920 Oliva, maybe if you could refer also once also to this, to this 04:48:05.400 --> 04:48:09.600 perception and perspective of Neuropin Bauhaus in the context maybe 04:48:09.680 --> 04:48:13.880 of your country, or maybe your position as an initiator of the idea 04:48:13.960 --> 04:48:15.200 of Davos Baukultur tour. 04:48:15.280 --> 04:48:17.200 Or maybe you want to say anything else, 04:48:18.320 --> 04:48:24.160 if you think you have presented us some 04:48:25.200 --> 04:48:28.880 thoughts about it, but maybe you want to add something to what happened here. 04:48:29.840 --> 04:48:34.720 Yeah, I believe I'm often asked what is the difference between the Davos 04:48:35.280 --> 04:48:37.240 process and the new European Bauhaus? 04:48:37.320 --> 04:48:40.480 And why having two kind of similar initiatives, 04:48:41.400 --> 04:48:45.360 and I really do believe we need them both, and they are complementary 04:48:45.440 --> 04:48:46.840 and they are not the same. 04:48:47.160 --> 04:48:50.840 And probably if we want to succeed, because here in the room we would all 04:48:50.920 --> 04:48:55.080 agree on what we should do, how the regulation could be changed 04:48:55.160 --> 04:48:56.920 and where the policy should go. 04:48:57.160 --> 04:49:03.240 But the problem is that the complexity of all the things that has been considered 04:49:03.320 --> 04:49:06.760 is so big that these ideas of Baukultur, 04:49:07.400 --> 04:49:10.400 of beauty, of inclusiveness, and they are 04:49:10.880 --> 04:49:15.080 the same values somehow in the NEB and the Davos process, 04:49:16.320 --> 04:49:19.160 is that these ideas have to be mainstream. 04:49:19.240 --> 04:49:25.200 So it would not be enough to have one Baukultur policy standing alone, 04:49:25.360 --> 04:49:30.000 but this policy has to be transversial within the government. 04:49:30.920 --> 04:49:36.520 So you have to imply in such a policy all the different ministries that have to deal 04:49:37.080 --> 04:49:38.680 with planning and building. 04:49:39.160 --> 04:49:44.440 And I don't think that we should continue to argue is Baukultur including 04:49:44.760 --> 04:49:47.080 planning, or is architecture outside? 04:49:47.480 --> 04:49:51.480 Because we have one built environment, it's a single entity. 04:49:51.560 --> 04:49:57.680 And there are many initiatives on all different level now being more 04:49:57.760 --> 04:49:59.520 and more active to change something. 04:49:59.600 --> 04:50:03.320 And we do not need one change in the built environment. 04:50:03.400 --> 04:50:05.880 We need many small changes. 04:50:06.360 --> 04:50:10.920 And for example, the affordable housing, the housing crisis, I think in all of Our 04:50:11.000 --> 04:50:16.520 countries is becoming a real urgent matter. 04:50:17.240 --> 04:50:22.080 And in many, at least in mine also, the call is to build fast, a lot 04:50:22.160 --> 04:50:25.320 of houses, deregulating many other things. 04:50:26.040 --> 04:50:27.840 But this will not really solve the problem. 04:50:27.920 --> 04:50:29.840 It will solve the problem at short notice. 04:50:29.920 --> 04:50:33.200 You will have more houses, more apartments, which is good, 04:50:33.280 --> 04:50:37.360 but you will create a lot of other problems, because these houses 04:50:37.440 --> 04:50:39.080 will have a lifespan of 30 years. 04:50:39.160 --> 04:50:43.040 Instead, today we should, if we build new, we build for 100 years, and not only 30, 04:50:43.280 --> 04:50:44.880 because otherwise you have a climate problem. 04:50:44.960 --> 04:50:48.160 And all these policies must be thought together to really find 04:50:48.240 --> 04:50:49.920 together the best solution. 04:50:50.000 --> 04:50:55.440 And I think both the European Bauhaus and the Davos alliance are trying to bring 04:50:55.520 --> 04:51:01.720 people, experts, politicians together to drive a new 04:51:01.800 --> 04:51:03.480 way of thinking, our built environment. 04:51:03.560 --> 04:51:05.560 And that's the goal of what we are doing here. 04:51:05.640 --> 04:51:07.800 So we have to leave our bubbles. 04:51:08.200 --> 04:51:12.200 It is tiring and it's sometimes uncomfortable, 04:51:12.280 --> 04:51:15.320 it's sometimes controversial also, but it has to be. 04:51:16.840 --> 04:51:18.920 But it's also funny and it's also a pleasure. 04:51:19.000 --> 04:51:23.840 So I'm really happy to live in these time also where so much things, 04:51:23.920 --> 04:51:28.440 things can be done and where for many people it is clear 04:51:28.560 --> 04:51:30.760 that there has to change something. 04:51:31.400 --> 04:51:32.200 Thank you very much. 04:51:32.280 --> 04:51:38.680 And you pointed to the words together, so it reminds us immediately the thing 04:51:38.760 --> 04:51:43.600 which is absolutely beautiful in this movement, this triad of beautiful, 04:51:43.680 --> 04:51:47.440 sustainable, together, which means it starts from beautiful. 04:51:47.520 --> 04:51:52.200 And if we talk about the Vitrovian voice virtues, it starts from firmitas or 04:51:52.600 --> 04:51:58.360 firmness, then utility, and then at the end of it, there's a sum of it, kind of. 04:51:59.080 --> 04:52:02.400 Then the beauty appears and we are starting from beauty and we 04:52:02.480 --> 04:52:03.760 are starting from together. 04:52:03.840 --> 04:52:09.960 And then maybe you've actually also pointed at something 04:52:10.040 --> 04:52:11.480 which I wanted to ask you also. 04:52:11.960 --> 04:52:18.160 And also probably firstly you, Marcos, it is about people, 04:52:18.240 --> 04:52:19.360 because we are doing it. 04:52:19.440 --> 04:52:22.920 We are sharing these ideas for people, for societies, for the inhabitants 04:52:23.000 --> 04:52:25.040 of these city spaces. 04:52:25.440 --> 04:52:29.440 And how can we tempt people with this idea? 04:52:29.520 --> 04:52:33.760 Because we have to be emotional when we want people to understand it. 04:52:34.320 --> 04:52:37.840 If it's like Ruchageman told today, 04:52:39.040 --> 04:52:43.320 it was the word to avoid Brussels or 04:52:43.960 --> 04:52:50.040 EU says to say something, because people are then kind of back. 04:52:50.360 --> 04:52:56.560 If they hear it from administration, people should believe in it. 04:52:56.640 --> 04:53:01.960 And if we are talking about this kind of aspect, not from top down, but bottom 04:53:02.520 --> 04:53:07.400 to up, like spreading the idea widely and low as possible, and. 04:53:08.840 --> 04:53:15.680 And try to force the pressure on the city mayors and then maybe hire. 04:53:15.760 --> 04:53:19.640 So Marcos, if you could say, what could you think about it 04:53:19.720 --> 04:53:21.400 from your Spanish perspective? 04:53:22.840 --> 04:53:26.840 Okay, I do fully agree with what 04:53:29.240 --> 04:53:30.760 Rusahman has said. 04:53:30.840 --> 04:53:33.960 This Morning about this, about people. 04:53:34.040 --> 04:53:40.080 And we don't need European bubble language or we need to engage people. 04:53:40.400 --> 04:53:43.080 From my Spanish perspective, from my perspective 04:53:43.160 --> 04:53:47.160 from the European Parliament, I think that engaging people in 04:53:47.600 --> 04:53:53.600 participation process is fundamental to go hand on hand. 04:53:53.880 --> 04:53:57.160 Politicians, architects, technicians and people. 04:53:57.560 --> 04:53:59.280 Because we are on the same boat. 04:53:59.680 --> 04:54:04.160 And all of us we need to know that if we can 04:54:04.240 --> 04:54:08.480 improve the built environment in which we live, to make it more sustainable. 04:54:08.560 --> 04:54:14.720 For sure this is a political objective, but at the same time better to live for 04:54:14.800 --> 04:54:18.080 people, improve the lives of real people. 04:54:18.400 --> 04:54:23.440 And secondly, but not lastly, not leaving anyone behind. 04:54:24.320 --> 04:54:27.640 We have have achieved our objective. 04:54:27.720 --> 04:54:31.040 Our objective is go to hand in hand in Spain. 04:54:31.120 --> 04:54:37.440 At the same moment in which the European Bauhaus process was launched. 04:54:37.600 --> 04:54:43.520 We were doing the participatory process for the adoption of the 04:54:44.960 --> 04:54:51.120 Lao, the quality of architecture in Spain, which is one of the most advanced laos 04:54:52.240 --> 04:54:53.840 in the 27 member states. 04:54:54.160 --> 04:54:56.520 Talking about quality of architecture. 04:54:56.600 --> 04:55:00.960 And it was a very engaging process in which every 04:55:02.000 --> 04:55:07.760 statement from the local actors, regional actors, stakeholders, 04:55:07.840 --> 04:55:09.520 citizens, they participate. 04:55:09.840 --> 04:55:16.160 But it was at the same moment in which the Nuremberg House launched 04:55:16.640 --> 04:55:19.080 the consultation and participatory process process. 04:55:19.160 --> 04:55:25.360 It lasted one year and it was more than 2,000 events all across Europe. 04:55:26.160 --> 04:55:30.640 They received proposals coming from individual citizens 04:55:30.720 --> 04:55:35.680 to big organizations, from individual citizens to big organization. 04:55:36.080 --> 04:55:39.360 They received thousands and thousands of proposals. 04:55:39.520 --> 04:55:45.520 And I think this is a way to go bottom up, to engage people and to come to people. 04:55:45.920 --> 04:55:50.360 But since the designing of the process, 04:55:50.760 --> 04:55:52.920 we cannot sue people. 04:55:53.000 --> 04:55:57.760 We have decided this for your neighborhood, for your building. 04:55:58.040 --> 04:55:59.520 And which one do you like more? 04:55:59.600 --> 04:56:00.920 Or do you agree with that? 04:56:01.000 --> 04:56:03.440 This is not a participatory process. 04:56:03.560 --> 04:56:04.920 We have to be with the people. 04:56:05.000 --> 04:56:08.640 Since the very first moment, in the moment in which we are 04:56:08.720 --> 04:56:10.760 going to decide what do you need? 04:56:11.000 --> 04:56:12.000 What are your needs? 04:56:12.160 --> 04:56:14.400 Is what can we do in your neighborhood? 04:56:14.480 --> 04:56:16.640 What how can we improve your neighborhood? 04:56:16.720 --> 04:56:18.080 And you have to participate. 04:56:18.640 --> 04:56:21.680 And I think that if not we will 04:56:22.400 --> 04:56:26.280 have a ordinary process, one of a lot 04:56:26.360 --> 04:56:28.480 of that we have had during the history. 04:56:29.360 --> 04:56:35.480 But it won't be so such successful as we need this now. 04:56:35.560 --> 04:56:38.080 This time now with the new European Baja process. 04:56:38.400 --> 04:56:39.440 Thank you very much. 04:56:39.520 --> 04:56:43.400 So maybe once again, Katrin, if you, if you can add anything 04:56:43.480 --> 04:56:46.240 to it, because this is what we. 04:56:46.320 --> 04:56:50.400 Okay, so I think it's clear. Thank you. 04:56:50.800 --> 04:56:54.840 Yeah, I'm just going back to the three values of European boreholes, 04:56:54.920 --> 04:56:57.760 because the value linked to inclusion. 04:56:58.720 --> 04:57:02.160 Talking about participatory process, I mean the first step is to include 04:57:02.240 --> 04:57:05.400 the second one is that it's a co design. 04:57:05.480 --> 04:57:09.160 But then the third Step the third ambition, it's that it's. 04:57:09.240 --> 04:57:11.280 The project is self governed. 04:57:11.360 --> 04:57:12.680 I mean it's self governance. 04:57:12.920 --> 04:57:18.040 And I have in mind one project in Belgium which is a former railway yard 04:57:18.600 --> 04:57:23.800 halv in Leuven where that project has been shown as a good 04:57:23.880 --> 04:57:29.320 example of neb where the project was completely community 04:57:30.280 --> 04:57:35.320 led with repurposing the building for function for the community. 04:57:35.960 --> 04:57:39.920 And so then the architects and the planners that were eventually 04:57:40.000 --> 04:57:42.760 involved in the process, they were there as facilitator. 04:57:43.720 --> 04:57:47.840 And I think this is, we were talking about our profession being architect 04:57:47.920 --> 04:57:50.760 and planners being redefined and evolving a lot. 04:57:50.840 --> 04:57:55.080 But this is a big evolution as well and it's something we have to embrace 04:57:55.160 --> 04:58:00.480 and to be able to put ourselves as well as a facilitator of this kind 04:58:00.560 --> 04:58:02.040 of bottom up projects. 04:58:02.760 --> 04:58:04.200 So thank you very much, great example. 04:58:04.280 --> 04:58:05.480 So yeah, thank you very much. 04:58:05.800 --> 04:58:10.960 I'm sorry, I don't want to crash the sequence, 04:58:11.040 --> 04:58:16.840 but if I may react to that because of course participatory governments 04:58:17.320 --> 04:58:18.360 is most important. 04:58:18.440 --> 04:58:20.760 It's also one of our criteria. 04:58:20.920 --> 04:58:24.720 But sometimes, and that is a question and that's why I'm jumping in here 04:58:24.800 --> 04:58:27.440 to you also I think how to engage people. 04:58:27.520 --> 04:58:31.160 We often show best practice to people, as does the alliance, 04:58:31.240 --> 04:58:33.000 innovative practice, good examples. 04:58:33.320 --> 04:58:37.560 But sometimes I think it would be more effective to show the bad practice because 04:58:37.640 --> 04:58:41.080 people have a very fine sense of what they like and what they don't. 04:58:41.400 --> 04:58:43.560 And we never. And they don't let me do that. 04:58:43.880 --> 04:58:49.200 We never show bad examples to explain why this is a bad example 04:58:49.280 --> 04:58:51.400 and how it could be a better one. 04:58:52.040 --> 04:58:55.840 And we did a study from the London School of Economics to know if 04:58:55.920 --> 04:58:57.560 quality sells or not. 04:58:57.640 --> 04:59:00.440 So if it is beneficial also from an economic point of view. 04:59:00.760 --> 04:59:05.640 And the result was that yes, and there is evidence for this, 04:59:06.120 --> 04:59:10.360 but there is an information bias for the clients because they don't know 04:59:10.440 --> 04:59:13.040 when they buy a house if this is a good one or a bad one. 04:59:13.120 --> 04:59:17.920 I mean if you just buy an apartment in a building block you are happy to find 04:59:18.000 --> 04:59:23.920 one and the choice is not so big and you take what you get somehow and you would 04:59:24.000 --> 04:59:26.360 probably like it because otherwise you would not buy it. 04:59:26.440 --> 04:59:31.440 But you never explained that it could be so much better and not more expensive. 04:59:31.760 --> 04:59:35.120 And that's why I wanted to ask you, are you showing sometimes 04:59:35.200 --> 04:59:36.800 bad examples to people? 04:59:38.720 --> 04:59:44.800 Yeah, I just have a bad example in my head and I, I use it often because 04:59:45.520 --> 04:59:49.760 I was working in my town in south of Belgium 04:59:50.160 --> 04:59:55.120 on radioisation of a neighborhood that is very poor and then 04:59:56.400 --> 04:59:59.560 the city hall said okay, you have to organize workshops 04:59:59.640 --> 05:00:01.200 with people, blah, blah, blah. 05:00:01.280 --> 05:00:06.560 But then they didn't allow us to publish the little folder to put. 05:00:07.840 --> 05:00:09.280 To try to get people coming. 05:00:09.760 --> 05:00:10.880 It was only in French. 05:00:11.040 --> 05:00:13.760 So we asked, can we have it in Turkish? 05:00:15.200 --> 05:00:17.400 We had three, four languages that were. 05:00:17.480 --> 05:00:19.040 Albanese was there as well. 05:00:19.280 --> 05:00:24.880 And the local association, they told us, they said, you will have nobody coming 05:00:25.360 --> 05:00:27.360 to this participation process. 05:00:27.440 --> 05:00:30.840 And it was such a pity because there was the money from the city 05:00:30.920 --> 05:00:33.440 hall to have a big participation. 05:00:34.160 --> 05:00:37.200 And then there was this, this blockage. 05:00:37.280 --> 05:00:42.000 And so at the end, so we did it, but we had only French speaking Belgians 05:00:43.040 --> 05:00:46.320 that were of course living there and having difficulties. 05:00:46.400 --> 05:00:48.160 So they were part of the neighborhood. 05:00:48.240 --> 05:00:52.640 But then we have been missing like two thirds of the neighborhoods 05:00:52.720 --> 05:00:54.880 that didn't participate into this process. 05:00:55.840 --> 05:00:57.520 So this is about examples. 05:00:57.600 --> 05:01:01.920 And now working on this type of project, I really insist to translate 05:01:02.800 --> 05:01:08.080 and to being able to reach really everyone that is living there. 05:01:08.720 --> 05:01:11.440 Thank you. Learning from mistakes and obstacles. 05:01:11.840 --> 05:01:14.160 Sometimes costly, but efficient. 05:01:14.640 --> 05:01:18.640 And maybe, Mikael, if you want to add. 05:01:18.960 --> 05:01:22.880 No, maybe, because I think maybe, first of all, 05:01:23.600 --> 05:01:28.240 I totally do understand the need for participative processes and the need of, 05:01:28.400 --> 05:01:29.520 of involving people. 05:01:30.720 --> 05:01:33.760 In Groningen we do, we do a lot of initiatives on that. 05:01:34.080 --> 05:01:38.680 We have a whole every year we have a city makers congress 05:01:38.760 --> 05:01:44.000 where everybody presents who's working on the city so that everybody can join. 05:01:45.280 --> 05:01:49.320 But I think we're also missing a certain group because we're always talking 05:01:49.400 --> 05:01:50.680 about business to consumer. 05:01:50.760 --> 05:01:55.040 And it's true that we need to involve our end users and the people who are 05:01:55.120 --> 05:01:57.360 actually living in the cities that we are working on. 05:01:58.440 --> 05:02:02.080 But I think we have a huge task to do in the business to business communication. 05:02:02.160 --> 05:02:06.480 Because I think we are having talks now about architecture as a cultural act. 05:02:06.560 --> 05:02:10.440 And we have talks about architecture being a participative practice. 05:02:11.720 --> 05:02:17.320 If I look at the situation in Groningen as a city architect, but also in other cities 05:02:17.400 --> 05:02:21.240 where I'm working, the biggest challenge is to connect 05:02:21.400 --> 05:02:24.160 architecture, spatial planning to energy, 05:02:24.320 --> 05:02:28.760 to economy, to housing, to mobility, 05:02:30.880 --> 05:02:33.760 because all these domains, they're in full transition. 05:02:33.840 --> 05:02:35.600 There is a lot happening. 05:02:36.560 --> 05:02:40.760 And indeed it's true, things are moving fast and sometimes we 05:02:40.840 --> 05:02:43.400 are way too slow to adapt to this speed. 05:02:44.560 --> 05:02:49.920 And I think we have a big task to communicate our value, 05:02:50.000 --> 05:02:54.440 the spatial value, way better to all these other political, but also 05:02:54.520 --> 05:02:55.920 municipal disciplines. 05:02:56.880 --> 05:03:01.360 Because at the moment, in the Netherlands for sure, the energy 05:03:01.440 --> 05:03:04.480 transition is moving at a very fast pace. 05:03:06.320 --> 05:03:09.040 New energy networks have to be established within the city. 05:03:09.200 --> 05:03:13.040 All streets in the city have to be renewed within three years. 05:03:14.480 --> 05:03:20.200 And there is no time to wait for a lot of discussion about spatial qualities. 05:03:21.000 --> 05:03:25.680 So if we cannot move along with that speed, we just end up with very 05:03:25.760 --> 05:03:29.520 regular streets, while this is the moment to redesign them and add 05:03:29.600 --> 05:03:30.760 spatial quality to it. 05:03:31.240 --> 05:03:35.560 So I would also like to see how the whole 05:03:35.640 --> 05:03:38.280 initiative that we are talking about, how that could actually help 05:03:38.920 --> 05:03:42.760 to communicate better internally within the street cities, 05:03:43.400 --> 05:03:45.240 within the provinces, within the. 05:03:45.320 --> 05:03:48.160 The regions, to improve the internal communication 05:03:48.240 --> 05:03:49.760 within the different departments. 05:03:50.880 --> 05:03:53.520 Okay, so Boris and Thomas, I. 05:03:54.000 --> 05:03:59.600 I'm afraid we have no, no, no time space for another question. 05:04:00.320 --> 05:04:02.160 Can I tell about. About the people. 05:04:02.240 --> 05:04:04.320 About the people, because I'm more skeptical. 05:04:04.920 --> 05:04:06.160 Let us finish this. This. 05:04:07.080 --> 05:04:08.680 Yeah, well, thank you. Thank you. 05:04:08.760 --> 05:04:13.560 There is a problem how to convince people and involve them in any kind of changes, 05:04:13.640 --> 05:04:15.240 especially in this part of Europe. 05:04:15.880 --> 05:04:22.600 Well, Hubert Trmer, who is part of the high level roundtable, 05:04:22.920 --> 05:04:29.320 told me that we didn't recognize all stakeholders of Green Deal especially 05:04:29.640 --> 05:04:32.040 and what it will reflect to their life. 05:04:32.200 --> 05:04:37.760 Like the group of farmers commerce which started the action against Green Deal. 05:04:39.040 --> 05:04:40.720 The people here, they. 05:04:40.800 --> 05:04:45.760 They not only here, they don't understand why we have to pay more for energy, 05:04:46.320 --> 05:04:50.000 it decrease our level of life. 05:04:50.080 --> 05:04:56.400 Yeah, well, please believe us, no one point, no 05:04:57.520 --> 05:05:01.760 any sentence about the climate issue was present during 05:05:02.160 --> 05:05:04.160 presidential campaign in Poland. 05:05:05.120 --> 05:05:07.120 There this problem doesn't exist. 05:05:07.520 --> 05:05:13.600 Yesterday I was really very surprised that some people can't understand that the 05:05:17.440 --> 05:05:22.840 carbon footprint, the idea and understanding 05:05:22.920 --> 05:05:25.680 of that it doesn't exist at all. People don't care. 05:05:26.560 --> 05:05:30.080 So that's very difficult 05:05:30.880 --> 05:05:36.840 to involve people in such movement which is a European Bauhaus, 05:05:36.920 --> 05:05:40.400 in fact, which we required in Europe, we can understand it, but 05:05:41.280 --> 05:05:46.560 we had Europe of the two speeds, where we were told for a long time, 05:05:46.800 --> 05:05:50.160 you here in this part of Europe, you are the second speed. 05:05:50.560 --> 05:05:54.000 So why we should be in a front 05:05:54.080 --> 05:05:57.520 of these changes and just one sentence. 05:05:57.600 --> 05:06:01.440 Well, year before I had this privilege to have 05:06:01.520 --> 05:06:06.680 a NEP talk, according to Regina Gautier and Ruth Shagerman. 05:06:06.760 --> 05:06:10.520 And the conclusion I asked of them, what's the message to the architects 05:06:11.160 --> 05:06:12.280 for the next year? 05:06:12.680 --> 05:06:18.760 And the conclusion of the both words rethink our attitude to the space, 05:06:19.640 --> 05:06:20.640 come back to the roots. 05:06:20.720 --> 05:06:21.720 And that's the answer. 05:06:22.520 --> 05:06:26.200 On the previous panel 05:06:26.840 --> 05:06:30.240 Professor Suavomir Giselle was talking 05:06:30.320 --> 05:06:35.560 about the courage in our position in our 05:06:36.680 --> 05:06:39.400 role in architecture and urban planning. 05:06:40.120 --> 05:06:44.520 And in my opinion the coverage is a reason 05:06:44.680 --> 05:06:48.320 of horrible examples surround of us 05:06:50.080 --> 05:06:55.840 in the created problems. 05:06:56.800 --> 05:07:00.800 We are talking about founding the solution. 05:07:00.880 --> 05:07:06.840 And in my opinion absolutely most important aspect in our role is 05:07:06.920 --> 05:07:11.760 the responsibility for the Future is for 05:07:15.040 --> 05:07:18.880 every example in design, in space, 05:07:19.200 --> 05:07:21.240 in thinking about the future. 05:07:21.840 --> 05:07:25.400 And of course it's our role to create 05:07:25.520 --> 05:07:30.400 a life in space and being happy people. 05:07:30.600 --> 05:07:34.400 And I would like to change a word. 05:07:35.760 --> 05:07:41.680 Courage to the world, respond, responsibility in our role and our 05:07:42.080 --> 05:07:45.520 approach to the, to the profession. 05:07:47.840 --> 05:07:49.600 Just. Yeah, very short. 05:07:49.680 --> 05:07:49.960 I. 05:07:50.040 --> 05:07:53.840 Because I, I very much agree what you said on, on all these other issues 05:07:54.080 --> 05:07:56.480 that are kind of coming first somehow. 05:07:56.800 --> 05:08:01.440 And, and I believe that often these other questions, technical questions like energy 05:08:01.760 --> 05:08:05.000 and so on, they come with numbers and 05:08:05.080 --> 05:08:09.240 figures and like an objective benchmark. 05:08:09.760 --> 05:08:14.920 For example, if you build a heat pump, the noise cannot be more than 45 decibel. 05:08:15.200 --> 05:08:18.360 And in that situation you come and say, yeah, but there's also the sense 05:08:18.440 --> 05:08:20.240 of place and the calm in this area. 05:08:20.320 --> 05:08:22.440 So it should be only 22 decibels here. 05:08:22.720 --> 05:08:24.320 And then you have already lost. 05:08:25.040 --> 05:08:26.000 And why not? 05:08:26.400 --> 05:08:32.480 Today it is possible to measure your physical reaction to a type of space. 05:08:32.960 --> 05:08:37.400 And if you have a positive response or not on the spot, and I mean, 05:08:37.480 --> 05:08:40.280 if you're thinking out of the box, then you could also say, well, 05:08:40.360 --> 05:08:44.840 if someone does a development and more than 30% have a negative reaction 05:08:44.920 --> 05:08:46.720 to the space, they have to pay penalties. 05:08:47.120 --> 05:08:51.280 And this is a cost, because the cost today does also exist, 05:08:51.360 --> 05:08:56.600 but it is outsourced to social and other costs, costs. 05:08:56.680 --> 05:09:02.360 We know today that in a very high quality area you have a lot less 05:09:02.520 --> 05:09:07.640 first aid urgency consultations, which is saving money for the public. 05:09:07.960 --> 05:09:10.280 But all these costs are not considered today. 05:09:10.360 --> 05:09:15.600 And I believe we do have to think in different ways and integrate this 05:09:15.680 --> 05:09:21.640 quality thinking as a normal requirement, as important as all the other things. 05:09:22.240 --> 05:09:23.320 Thank you very much. 05:09:23.400 --> 05:09:27.240 I'm convinced that we have exceeded the time. 05:09:27.760 --> 05:09:31.080 Thank you very much for your contribution, for your engagement. 05:09:31.360 --> 05:09:35.320 And to sum up, I think I deeply believe that to promote 05:09:35.400 --> 05:09:38.720 the idea, we have to be believers, we have to be dreamers, even utopian. 05:09:39.080 --> 05:09:43.920 And because this is 100, the new European Bauhaus is about Bauhaus, 05:09:44.000 --> 05:09:45.920 which is actually the building of Bauhaus 05:09:46.000 --> 05:09:52.760 in 2020, 25 is built this one in Dessau. 05:09:52.840 --> 05:09:57.840 So we have this 100 years perspective and maybe we have to rewrite, 05:09:57.920 --> 05:10:04.840 rethink, redream the same big ideas 05:10:04.920 --> 05:10:08.080 and be really like believing people. 05:10:08.560 --> 05:10:12.000 And once again, I will repeat the words of yesterday. 05:10:12.080 --> 05:10:14.000 We need people, so we have to engage them. 05:10:14.080 --> 05:10:20.480 We have to be maybe like I repeat also the word courage. 05:10:21.440 --> 05:10:23.360 So let us be courageous. 05:10:23.920 --> 05:10:25.200 Thank you very much, once again. 05:10:25.600 --> 05:10:41.440 And now, thank you very much. 05:10:41.520 --> 05:10:46.560 And now it's a moment we have another keynote speaker. 05:10:46.640 --> 05:10:52.800 It's Carl Buckstrand on one hand the member of executive board 05:10:52.880 --> 05:10:58.000 of ace, but also architect practitioner running global office. 05:10:59.680 --> 05:11:04.320 And yeah, probably we will have two perspectives at the same time again. 05:11:04.400 --> 05:11:06.160 So thank you very much. Thank you. 05:11:08.160 --> 05:11:14.120 Hello everyone and thank you so much for inviting me here to give a little bit 05:11:14.200 --> 05:11:19.040 of introduction to new European Bauhaus in the everyday 05:11:19.120 --> 05:11:21.520 work of an architectural practice. 05:11:21.600 --> 05:11:25.800 And the practice I will then tell the story of is White Architecture 05:11:25.880 --> 05:11:26.960 where I have my. 05:11:27.680 --> 05:11:32.400 Spend my most of my time in this building in Stockholm where. 05:11:34.080 --> 05:11:40.000 But let's see how we move here place in the center of Stockholm. 05:11:41.360 --> 05:11:48.160 But yeah, there are some more stories to tell in this anyway. 05:11:48.240 --> 05:11:51.720 Yeah, it's been really, really interesting to listening into this 05:11:51.800 --> 05:11:57.240 and I hope I will now then through a number of case studies show how we are 05:11:57.320 --> 05:12:03.440 then trying to implement part of the new European Bauhaus in our daily work 05:12:04.160 --> 05:12:10.160 in the projects, but also give a little bit of story of why and what we 05:12:11.360 --> 05:12:12.320 now here we are. 05:12:12.400 --> 05:12:17.760 Yeah, so you know, Sweden is a country with a long, long, long coastline. 05:12:18.240 --> 05:12:19.760 And now I need the one. 05:12:24.520 --> 05:12:27.240 So you can move on next please. 05:12:27.320 --> 05:12:32.000 Yeah, and not only along coastline, we also have a lot of forests. 05:12:32.080 --> 05:12:35.320 I mean we urbanized quite late in Sweden. 05:12:35.400 --> 05:12:39.160 We are still in this process of learning how to live in cities, to be honest, 05:12:39.240 --> 05:12:41.080 but we are improving in this. 05:12:42.600 --> 05:12:45.720 Please, next slide. 05:12:47.600 --> 05:12:53.600 And here are a number of figures of the firm White Architect then that 05:12:54.960 --> 05:13:00.000 in fact what I'm proud of here is to say that we are employee owned. 05:13:00.080 --> 05:13:05.480 So I mean there's a number of people working in white, more than 500. 05:13:05.560 --> 05:13:07.240 But we are, we own ourselves. 05:13:07.320 --> 05:13:11.760 And I think that's what makes a big, big, big difference in how we manage to. 05:13:12.560 --> 05:13:19.360 To maybe we're running out of energy or batteries. 05:13:22.880 --> 05:13:25.040 So you can please move on to the next. 05:13:26.800 --> 05:13:33.520 And the firm itself, it was founded way back in the early 1950s 05:13:34.960 --> 05:13:36.880 by a guy called Sidney White. 05:13:36.960 --> 05:13:42.160 And from that start, please go on in the other direction. 05:13:52.520 --> 05:13:55.160 I can just raise my hand and you can just change the. 05:13:56.040 --> 05:13:58.680 But I have to be careful how to raise the hands in this. 05:14:06.600 --> 05:14:07.160 Yeah. 05:14:07.720 --> 05:14:08.760 Okay, so here we are. 05:14:09.120 --> 05:14:10.640 So yes, please, the next one. 05:14:12.480 --> 05:14:18.160 So this is how it all started in fact, with the housing crisis that was in Sweden 05:14:20.000 --> 05:14:25.280 in the 50s when Sydney White won this competition for new housing developments. 05:14:25.360 --> 05:14:27.760 And today of course, it's a completely. Thank you. 05:14:28.160 --> 05:14:30.920 Completely different company today. 05:14:31.000 --> 05:14:32.720 As said, we are employee owned. 05:14:32.800 --> 05:14:36.800 And not only architecture, the vast majority of us are architects, 05:14:36.880 --> 05:14:41.600 but we are an interdisciplinary firm also having landscapers, interior designers, 05:14:41.760 --> 05:14:45.080 but also biologists, social anthropologists. 05:14:45.160 --> 05:14:50.440 I mean, really working with different competences within the firm. 05:14:51.520 --> 05:14:54.080 And now I went in the wrong direction. 05:14:54.760 --> 05:14:55.520 Here we go. 05:14:55.680 --> 05:15:00.280 And then back to this, then the new European powerhouse. 05:15:00.360 --> 05:15:04.200 How, how that then has had a great influence on White. 05:15:04.360 --> 05:15:07.960 And already before, I would say this was launched because 05:15:08.040 --> 05:15:10.680 this was then, as we know then 2020. 05:15:11.160 --> 05:15:15.480 And I would say that for us and for in Sweden as a whole, 05:15:15.560 --> 05:15:19.720 we had a lot of support also from the national architect 05:15:19.800 --> 05:15:21.520 at the time, Helena Bjarnegau. 05:15:21.600 --> 05:15:25.840 She was mentioned earlier by Xiao here. 05:15:25.920 --> 05:15:31.920 And then she really was advocating the 05:15:33.120 --> 05:15:35.760 potential with the new European Bauhaus. 05:15:35.840 --> 05:15:39.920 And of course we as a company also then brought that into our. 05:15:41.840 --> 05:15:45.000 The way we are dealing with the projects. 05:15:45.080 --> 05:15:47.760 And already before, of course, sustainability 05:15:48.560 --> 05:15:51.840 is a driving force for our firm. 05:15:52.000 --> 05:15:55.760 It's been for a long time, it started a lot with social aspects, 05:15:56.160 --> 05:16:02.440 but Then in the 90s and 2000 more and more environmental parts became more important. 05:16:03.920 --> 05:16:10.440 And we then also use the importance of, 05:16:10.520 --> 05:16:12.720 see the importance of the digitalization. 05:16:13.200 --> 05:16:17.320 And that is not, as Ruth, you were mentioning this morning, 05:16:17.400 --> 05:16:22.320 it's not to make things more technical, but it's a tool in order to, 05:16:23.880 --> 05:16:29.120 I would say make the process smoother, the design process in many ways, how to 05:16:29.200 --> 05:16:34.280 collect data, how to make good decisions. 05:16:34.840 --> 05:16:39.600 And also on those participation processes, I think we can have a lot of use 05:16:39.680 --> 05:16:42.360 with new digital tools into that. 05:16:43.080 --> 05:16:47.960 And then for us it's also very, very important with having since a long, 05:16:48.040 --> 05:16:51.680 long, long time research part within Wyoming. 05:16:52.400 --> 05:16:56.320 And of course that's also part of the new European Bauhaus, how to do this 05:16:56.400 --> 05:16:58.440 research and innovation together. 05:16:58.720 --> 05:17:03.360 And then I mean together with different disciplines, but also with 05:17:04.000 --> 05:17:07.840 people, not only stakeholders, people as such. 05:17:08.000 --> 05:17:13.000 And not to forget, for us as a business, the clients are very important. 05:17:13.080 --> 05:17:15.000 Also it's how to make business work. 05:17:15.080 --> 05:17:21.320 So I mean bringing partners, clients, academia into this research and then 05:17:21.400 --> 05:17:26.120 into a few of those cases I want to show. 05:17:26.280 --> 05:17:30.600 And then this is again in Stockholm, in the very, very center of Stockholm 05:17:30.680 --> 05:17:37.080 infrastructure of yesterday, this was in the 30s when this very very, 05:17:37.400 --> 05:17:41.160 you could call it infrastructure hub or traffic hub in the very center 05:17:41.240 --> 05:17:44.760 of Stockholm, all based on the car at that time. 05:17:46.360 --> 05:17:52.360 And it's not only then a traffic jam, it was also one of the very few 05:17:52.840 --> 05:17:57.360 parts where you could get water, fresh water out of the big lake 05:17:57.440 --> 05:18:00.280 of Melaren into the Baltic Sea. 05:18:02.200 --> 05:18:08.280 And it has even more now an importance on climate adaptation because of those 05:18:09.320 --> 05:18:12.160 varying water levels, etc. 05:18:12.240 --> 05:18:16.080 So out of this old infrastructure, it was then 05:18:17.920 --> 05:18:21.680 a competition and how to make this into 05:18:23.040 --> 05:18:25.440 a more attractive living environment. 05:18:25.920 --> 05:18:31.840 And that was won by Foster on the infrastructure. 05:18:31.920 --> 05:18:37.120 And we were then being commissioned to do the landscaping 05:18:37.200 --> 05:18:39.440 in this project with the public realm. And. 05:18:39.520 --> 05:18:44.160 And I think this is really what also was mentioned 05:18:44.720 --> 05:18:50.840 in the panel here before that it's really also how to see the projects 05:18:50.920 --> 05:18:54.440 now so very much complex in the sense that there are so many 05:18:54.520 --> 05:18:56.000 disciplines coming into this. 05:18:56.080 --> 05:19:00.000 I mean, talking on climate adaptation, it's not only the water that is getting 05:19:00.080 --> 05:19:03.360 out in this spot, it's also the fish and 05:19:04.160 --> 05:19:07.080 all the organisms that are also traveling 05:19:07.160 --> 05:19:11.560 in between those fresh water and the salty water and also making it a good 05:19:11.640 --> 05:19:12.840 place for people to be in. 05:19:12.920 --> 05:19:14.000 So it's really. 05:19:14.480 --> 05:19:18.240 And still everything with public transportation and a few cars still. 05:19:18.720 --> 05:19:24.080 So that is one important thing where we can show with collaboration that we manage 05:19:24.240 --> 05:19:27.200 to work with the city as the client. 05:19:28.080 --> 05:19:30.240 We had the city as the client there. 05:19:30.480 --> 05:19:32.880 And how NEB then are structuring. 05:19:33.400 --> 05:19:36.360 They work together with the client. 05:19:36.440 --> 05:19:41.680 I would say the next client and the next project is in London. 05:19:41.760 --> 05:19:45.080 And there the client is a housing association. 05:19:45.400 --> 05:19:49.240 So it's a housing association that are 05:19:50.440 --> 05:19:53.160 doing social housing, affordable 05:19:53.240 --> 05:19:56.440 housing and also some private rentals. 05:19:56.520 --> 05:20:00.760 But this is in the east of London, in Barking. 05:20:01.240 --> 05:20:06.160 And our strategy in this project had to do with bringing. 05:20:06.560 --> 05:20:08.000 Starting with the public realm. 05:20:08.080 --> 05:20:12.440 I mean, it's not only providing the housing, the houses, it's also how 05:20:12.520 --> 05:20:14.360 do you make this a good place to live in? 05:20:14.440 --> 05:20:16.240 Because this is what it looks like today. 05:20:16.320 --> 05:20:20.000 It's a lot of not accessible 05:20:20.600 --> 05:20:23.360 areas and quite run down. 05:20:23.520 --> 05:20:26.080 And how to make this a much more attractive thing. 05:20:26.160 --> 05:20:28.000 You need to start. Start with the public realm. 05:20:28.080 --> 05:20:31.680 And then again, I mean, NEB was not. 05:20:31.760 --> 05:20:35.160 We are in the uk, but it was inspired by neb, 05:20:35.240 --> 05:20:39.920 how to work with structure, the dialogs with the client, 05:20:40.000 --> 05:20:46.000 the housing association here, bringing things like sustainability, 05:20:46.920 --> 05:20:51.760 beauty and the inclusiveness into this. 05:20:52.080 --> 05:20:53.760 And we know the challenges. 05:20:53.920 --> 05:20:58.080 This is not only valid for London, we have them all over and again, 05:20:58.160 --> 05:20:59.600 the community engagement. 05:21:00.400 --> 05:21:04.720 And this is girls to get involved in designing spaces and planning them, 05:21:05.040 --> 05:21:07.240 because it's mostly men who design them. 05:21:10.160 --> 05:21:13.080 So the project took place in Skarpnik a few years ago. 05:21:13.160 --> 05:21:17.760 It was a theater group, Bunga, Tur and Tinniska from the actual place. 05:21:17.840 --> 05:21:19.760 And we decided to join forces. 05:21:19.920 --> 05:21:22.240 So the background was a statistic that. 05:21:22.320 --> 05:21:26.320 That Stockholm University handed us that the places we plan for teenagers 05:21:26.400 --> 05:21:30.720 have a usage of 80% boys and 20% girls. 05:21:30.880 --> 05:21:34.320 Which is quite striking since we want to create a city for all. 05:21:34.880 --> 05:21:39.040 And the key project to us was basically to have this shift in the project team. 05:21:39.120 --> 05:21:41.680 It was the Teenage girls, the theater group, the youth 05:21:41.760 --> 05:21:43.680 leader and us as urban planners. 05:21:43.920 --> 05:21:47.360 The ambition from the beginning and continuously 05:21:47.920 --> 05:21:52.720 is to create a more diverse city by addressing marginalized perspectives 05:21:52.800 --> 05:21:54.560 and doing that systematically. 05:21:54.640 --> 05:21:57.280 We call it norm creative urban planning. 05:21:58.720 --> 05:22:00.000 So this was really. 05:22:00.400 --> 05:22:04.280 We brought some research from Stockholm where we had found that it 05:22:04.360 --> 05:22:09.520 was a lot of the public realm were a lot more used by young boys 05:22:09.600 --> 05:22:10.720 rather than young girls. 05:22:10.800 --> 05:22:16.160 And that made the client in, in London interested to see how can that 05:22:16.560 --> 05:22:20.440 be used in a UK context or a London context. 05:22:20.520 --> 05:22:22.280 And this is what's now happening. 05:22:22.360 --> 05:22:25.400 And you can see the public realm is there. 05:22:25.480 --> 05:22:28.400 Some of the new houses are also there. 05:22:29.360 --> 05:22:34.560 And it's really becoming a neighborhood that are much more, 05:22:34.640 --> 05:22:39.920 I believe inviting to all generation, all genders and also 05:22:40.360 --> 05:22:46.240 bringing new qualities both in between the houses and the houses themselves. 05:22:46.920 --> 05:22:50.600 The third examples I will bring from Stockholm again. 05:22:50.680 --> 05:22:53.400 And then it's a private developer who is the client. 05:22:54.240 --> 05:22:55.080 And this is. 05:22:55.600 --> 05:22:57.600 Yeah, I went a bit too fast. 05:22:58.040 --> 05:23:03.520 This the circle to the lower right hand side there is as you can see right 05:23:03.600 --> 05:23:05.600 outside the very center of Stockholm. 05:23:06.440 --> 05:23:09.840 And this is next to Hammerby Scherstad. 05:23:09.920 --> 05:23:14.880 Hammerby Scherstad was the Eco Cartier of the 90s in Stockholm. 05:23:15.040 --> 05:23:21.600 But now the private developer has bought the area right next to Hammerbirstad. 05:23:21.840 --> 05:23:26.480 And that used to be an old factory, Atlas Copko. 05:23:26.560 --> 05:23:31.440 It's not only factory above ground, 05:23:31.520 --> 05:23:34.360 it's also a mine underground. 05:23:34.840 --> 05:23:38.560 And this has been a showcase for many years for Atlas Copko. 05:23:38.640 --> 05:23:44.360 And now they are transforming this area, the client Arthur Jungberg into 05:23:45.400 --> 05:23:48.040 new mixed use development. 05:23:48.680 --> 05:23:51.640 And what they wanted to showcase in this 05:23:52.200 --> 05:23:55.840 project was really to keep the industrial 05:23:55.920 --> 05:23:59.320 heritage, but also then make it into some 05:23:59.400 --> 05:24:03.080 sort of timber construction hub sort of. 05:24:03.160 --> 05:24:07.400 And they call it the wood city of Stockholm. 05:24:07.560 --> 05:24:13.720 And of course you can always question, I mean, should you one go 05:24:13.960 --> 05:24:15.920 for one material like that? 05:24:16.000 --> 05:24:20.120 But I think what they want to bring into this project is 05:24:22.520 --> 05:24:25.840 to as I said, keep the existing. But. 05:24:25.920 --> 05:24:31.840 But the new construction coming in there, they really want to have it as a 05:24:32.800 --> 05:24:34.560 case for different bio based 05:24:35.120 --> 05:24:40.960 materials and not only then for living, 05:24:41.040 --> 05:24:42.680 it's also businesses coming in there. 05:24:42.760 --> 05:24:43.760 So it's a mixed use. 05:24:44.720 --> 05:24:49.920 And this is in the very, very beginning we will see how it develop. 05:24:50.160 --> 05:24:53.760 But again it's something where the private developer 05:24:55.840 --> 05:24:59.920 Outram Jungbe really has listened into what are things 05:25:00.000 --> 05:25:01.840 with the new European Bauhaus. 05:25:01.920 --> 05:25:07.600 They are also thinking of financing this with the green bonds and then 05:25:08.400 --> 05:25:14.080 a little bit relating to the taxonomy here in order to make the timber construction 05:25:14.160 --> 05:25:18.520 part of the solution to reach the high 05:25:19.160 --> 05:25:23.880 carbon Ambitions in this project. 05:25:23.960 --> 05:25:29.800 And finally coming to the very last example here, here is again, you know, 05:25:29.880 --> 05:25:35.000 making this a hub for that and then 05:25:37.400 --> 05:25:38.760 see what's coming here. 05:25:39.560 --> 05:25:43.080 The third project, or the fourth one is with a contractor, 05:25:43.800 --> 05:25:45.280 working close with a contractor. 05:25:45.360 --> 05:25:51.600 And then we are further north in Sweden, up in Sheftio, where you have 05:25:51.680 --> 05:25:53.400 the timber industry next door. 05:25:53.600 --> 05:25:59.000 And then it had to do with working close with not only the contractor, 05:25:59.080 --> 05:26:01.840 but also the timber industry itself. 05:26:01.920 --> 05:26:03.320 And prefab out of that. 05:26:03.400 --> 05:26:10.040 And that resulted then in this is during construction, a new 05:26:12.080 --> 05:26:16.360 cultural center with a hotel into it, 05:26:16.440 --> 05:26:22.360 where we really made it out of a laboratory of different timber. 05:26:25.560 --> 05:26:27.880 How do you systems, you could say the modular. 05:26:27.960 --> 05:26:29.800 It was CLT, it was 05:26:32.760 --> 05:26:35.640 cross laminated timber, etc. 05:26:36.040 --> 05:26:40.360 And this again was then targeting 05:26:40.440 --> 05:26:44.400 very high ambitions on the climate. 05:26:44.560 --> 05:26:48.560 And as we know, it's very important always to make it. 05:26:50.080 --> 05:26:50.600 Yeah. 05:26:50.680 --> 05:26:55.160 To go back and check the calculations in order to make sure 05:26:55.240 --> 05:26:59.600 that it really fulfills what we set up as a goal. 05:26:59.680 --> 05:27:04.240 And working here with a contractor, a Norwegian contractor called Hendt, 05:27:04.600 --> 05:27:09.840 they were also super interested to make this an exemplar 05:27:10.160 --> 05:27:13.240 in their portfolio of projects. 05:27:13.320 --> 05:27:16.840 So what I'm coming to is that it's really about working closely 05:27:16.920 --> 05:27:18.400 with ambitious clients. 05:27:18.480 --> 05:27:23.680 Whether it's cities, private developers, housing associations or contractors. 05:27:24.000 --> 05:27:30.840 It's to do it together and we need to have the clients on board, 05:27:30.920 --> 05:27:32.720 otherwise it will never succeed. 05:27:33.280 --> 05:27:39.960 And finally, I mean this project, what was the most striking for me was that 05:27:41.960 --> 05:27:46.480 after the opening of this, things developed in ways that we 05:27:46.560 --> 05:27:49.080 hadn't at all anticipated. 05:27:49.320 --> 05:27:56.120 Suddenly the people that are using the theater inside this building 05:27:56.280 --> 05:28:01.680 found out why don't we use the facade as a stick? 05:28:02.600 --> 05:28:04.680 And this is also how you can co create. 05:28:04.760 --> 05:28:08.280 And to me that's part of new European Bauhaus. 05:28:08.360 --> 05:28:12.520 It's about co creation and sometimes you are surprised as an architect 05:28:12.600 --> 05:28:14.600 how this can develop. Thank you. 05:28:51.920 --> 05:28:54.080 Well, thank you very much for your presentation. 05:28:54.160 --> 05:28:57.920 Thank you all the panelists and Vartek who was chairing that. 05:28:58.920 --> 05:29:03.080 Now another 20 minutes of the coffee break, but just 20 minutes, please. 05:29:03.160 --> 05:29:06.200 I would like to start right on time because we have to finish at six 05:29:06.280 --> 05:29:08.840 more or less to get ready for the. For the evening. 05:29:08.920 --> 05:29:10.080 Okay, thank you. 05:29:10.360 --> 05:29:12.000 Thank you Piotr, very, very much. 05:29:12.080 --> 05:29:17.800 Well, as a ex treasurer of ace, I just want to introduce that you will 05:29:17.880 --> 05:29:21.440 receive if probably tomorrow, this second edition. 05:29:21.680 --> 05:29:25.960 We have to pay for the second edition because Germany changed her attitude 05:29:26.040 --> 05:29:29.040 to the architecture policies. 05:29:29.760 --> 05:29:33.920 Yeah. So everyone will will be able to get this. 05:29:34.400 --> 05:29:37.800 And Piot, if you don't mind, there is one 05:29:37.880 --> 05:29:43.680 More remark that Pierre is waiting for. 05:29:43.760 --> 05:29:46.000 Any comments for the declaration? 05:29:46.800 --> 05:29:52.320 So, ladies and gentlemen, dear guests, I warmly welcome you to the panel four 05:29:52.400 --> 05:29:55.560 of the conference Architectural Policies in the context 05:29:55.640 --> 05:29:57.520 of Houses Housing Challenges. 05:29:58.800 --> 05:30:02.440 This meeting is opportunity for us just to forget 05:30:02.520 --> 05:30:08.560 for a moment about the financial issues and focus on something which was always 05:30:08.960 --> 05:30:15.040 in a shadow of this and what we can call and address our attention. 05:30:15.760 --> 05:30:18.880 The quality of the housing environment. 05:30:19.520 --> 05:30:24.080 My name is Boris Charakchev, I'm the member of the ACE executive board 05:30:24.960 --> 05:30:29.280 coordinator for of Ara3 which is high quality architecture 05:30:29.360 --> 05:30:30.480 and build environment. 05:30:30.560 --> 05:30:36.800 And this word which most of you know but some of don't like, which is Balkult. 05:30:37.840 --> 05:30:43.680 Okay, so today I would like to initiate a conversation about the how architectural 05:30:43.760 --> 05:30:49.200 policies can become a tool for long term value social, 05:30:49.360 --> 05:30:54.160 spatial and environmental issue. 05:30:54.560 --> 05:31:00.080 About why high quality residential architecture is not 05:31:00.160 --> 05:31:05.760 a luxury, but a condition for sustainable and social inclusion. 05:31:08.120 --> 05:31:13.000 Just in the background I prepared some slides which shows also the costs 05:31:13.640 --> 05:31:15.160 for 1 square meter. 05:31:15.560 --> 05:31:19.960 And without comments, I just want to focus your 05:31:21.720 --> 05:31:28.000 attention that in some parts of Europe the price for 1 05:31:28.080 --> 05:31:33.400 square meter already exceeds 12 key. 05:31:34.680 --> 05:31:41.000 And the question is, does quality go hand in hand with this price? 05:31:42.520 --> 05:31:47.600 Today's session focus on the question how can we use the tools of architectural 05:31:47.680 --> 05:31:54.680 policy to build a new quality standards in housing at the European 05:31:55.240 --> 05:31:57.880 and national anti city level? 05:31:59.080 --> 05:32:03.480 Let's now move to our guests and speakers whose experience 05:32:04.840 --> 05:32:10.760 perfect combination of political, professional and social level skills. 05:32:11.480 --> 05:32:16.200 So first of all we will have a two intro introductory speeches, 05:32:16.280 --> 05:32:20.600 which is one will be given by Stefan Moser, 05:32:20.680 --> 05:32:23.400 Head of Union DGNR European Commission. 05:32:24.760 --> 05:32:30.160 Probably he will talk about European energy policy, including renovation, 05:32:30.240 --> 05:32:35.400 wave and EPBT and support and how can we support 05:32:35.840 --> 05:32:40.800 the approach to the housing, not only energy, but also health, 05:32:40.880 --> 05:32:42.000 design and community. 05:32:42.600 --> 05:32:48.720 The second one will be given by Frank De Hornt, Secretary General General of 05:32:49.880 --> 05:32:50.680 esocarp. 05:32:52.120 --> 05:32:57.320 I guess that Frank will bring the concept of soft urbanism, 05:32:57.800 --> 05:33:02.760 how urban planning can avoid the mistakes of the modernist and support the local 05:33:03.240 --> 05:33:05.320 identity and participation. 05:33:05.800 --> 05:33:08.360 After all, we will have the panel. 05:33:08.680 --> 05:33:12.600 But I invite you to listen carefully because 05:33:12.840 --> 05:33:19.760 right now we should say we don't ask today can we afford quality, 05:33:20.320 --> 05:33:23.680 but rather can we afford not to have it. 05:33:24.640 --> 05:33:26.400 So please. Stefan, floor is yours. 05:33:27.600 --> 05:33:29.000 Good afternoon, ladies and gentlemen. 05:33:29.080 --> 05:33:34.240 Thank you very much, Boris and Piotr, and to all of those, those of you who have 05:33:34.720 --> 05:33:37.560 put together this very, very relevant and interesting program. 05:33:37.640 --> 05:33:41.360 And I'm very honored to be able to be with you this afternoon. 05:33:41.440 --> 05:33:44.920 So I'm head of unit in the newly created Housing Task Force 05:33:45.000 --> 05:33:46.200 in the European Commission. 05:33:46.280 --> 05:33:50.160 It's a coordinat body, it is located in DG Energy, but actually 05:33:50.880 --> 05:33:54.240 looks across all relevant aspects. 05:33:54.320 --> 05:33:56.360 The objective of this is really to. 05:33:56.440 --> 05:34:00.160 To advise our Commissioner, Dan Jurgensen, who is Commissioner for Energy 05:34:00.240 --> 05:34:03.000 and Housing, who was entrusted by President Van der 05:34:03.080 --> 05:34:06.840 Leyen to address basically the housing crisis which has 05:34:06.920 --> 05:34:09.760 built up over the last years. 05:34:10.240 --> 05:34:14.080 And I think it has affected many member states in different situations, 05:34:15.640 --> 05:34:17.480 mostly in urban areas, but not only. 05:34:18.520 --> 05:34:23.520 And it has built up to an extent that actually something needed to be done. 05:34:23.600 --> 05:34:29.160 It is for member states to maintain, but also to reinforce their 05:34:29.240 --> 05:34:30.440 efforts to address it. 05:34:30.520 --> 05:34:37.080 They are in charge at the various levels of government, national, regional, local. 05:34:37.560 --> 05:34:43.360 But it was felt that it would be useful to provide support in a more coordinated 05:34:43.440 --> 05:34:44.680 manner from the European level. 05:34:45.280 --> 05:34:49.120 We have, as Boris also mentioned, various pieces of legislation already. 05:34:49.360 --> 05:34:52.480 He mentioned the epbd, in which I was previously involved 05:34:52.560 --> 05:34:56.480 as head of unit, but not only there. 05:34:56.560 --> 05:35:01.920 Also there's legislation on environment, on construction products, 05:35:02.720 --> 05:35:06.720 of course, also in the social dimension, where we have some contribution to make, 05:35:06.800 --> 05:35:12.560 I would say, in making that implementation as practical, and I would say 05:35:13.840 --> 05:35:19.360 smooth, pragmatic as possible, but also to see what else we can do 05:35:19.840 --> 05:35:25.440 to improve the various ways of working, the cooperation 05:35:26.320 --> 05:35:27.760 amongst the different actors. 05:35:28.080 --> 05:35:29.120 And that is crucial. 05:35:29.200 --> 05:35:33.040 And US architects and urban plans have an absolutely outstanding and important 05:35:33.120 --> 05:35:39.600 role to play, I would say, as advisors, as system advisors, who can bring together 05:35:40.120 --> 05:35:45.000 various aspects and can also, I would say, do a certain 05:35:45.560 --> 05:35:50.040 facilitation between different interests, seeing the whole picture. 05:35:50.680 --> 05:35:55.160 And that, I think, is part of your, as I see, a job description 05:35:55.560 --> 05:36:00.200 which will be even more relevant in these very challenging balancing acts 05:36:00.760 --> 05:36:05.080 to be performed in the area of, I would say, affordability, sustainability 05:36:05.880 --> 05:36:09.400 and quality of life, inclusion, 05:36:11.160 --> 05:36:14.920 health, and also esthetics, 05:36:15.160 --> 05:36:18.040 which are important from a cultural point of view, as of course 05:36:18.120 --> 05:36:19.400 is clear to all of us. 05:36:20.360 --> 05:36:25.160 But the focus here is, I think, in our renewed efforts 05:36:25.400 --> 05:36:28.120 at the Euro Commission, at the European Commission side, 05:36:28.360 --> 05:36:30.200 working closely with the European Parliament, 05:36:30.280 --> 05:36:34.080 there's a special committee on that topic, but also with the Council 05:36:34.400 --> 05:36:38.720 and the different committees and stakeholders 05:36:39.600 --> 05:36:45.040 on how actually to deliver for society more broadly, more inclusively, 05:36:45.360 --> 05:36:48.600 because there are a number of citizens which are enormously under pressure, 05:36:48.680 --> 05:36:52.880 which simply do not have access anymore, either physically access or 05:36:52.960 --> 05:36:56.400 from an affordability point of view, they simply can't afford it anymore. 05:36:56.640 --> 05:36:57.920 Two decent houses. 05:36:59.200 --> 05:37:03.480 And that is something which not only is unacceptable from a social policy point 05:37:03.560 --> 05:37:09.520 of view, simply it's unfair and it's not acceptable, but it's also against our 05:37:09.920 --> 05:37:14.160 society's interests and it's also against Our economic interests, 05:37:14.240 --> 05:37:16.600 it affects negatively labor mobility. 05:37:16.680 --> 05:37:20.000 People can no longer move to where the jobs are. 05:37:20.080 --> 05:37:26.040 The jobs and the people are disconnected in many places which are under pressure, 05:37:27.320 --> 05:37:34.160 but also students trainees cannot necessarily get their training 05:37:34.240 --> 05:37:36.760 and studies where they best fit. 05:37:37.600 --> 05:37:41.960 They have to choose where they can afford it, but no longer, often in many places 05:37:42.040 --> 05:37:43.760 where this would be most suitable. 05:37:44.080 --> 05:37:47.680 And the analysis, I think, has to be done on a granular level. 05:37:47.760 --> 05:37:50.080 That is the overall picture at European level. 05:37:50.200 --> 05:37:54.400 And not only goes beyond Europe, of course, it's a worldwide phenomenon, 05:37:54.840 --> 05:37:57.640 but it is location specific in many ways. 05:37:57.720 --> 05:38:01.160 So even within the same member state, the situation is very different. 05:38:01.240 --> 05:38:05.360 Therefore has to be analyzed in a local and regional context. 05:38:05.440 --> 05:38:10.800 And there also you as professionals, architects, but even more so urban 05:38:10.880 --> 05:38:14.680 planners, those of you working in urban and territorial spatial planning 05:38:15.640 --> 05:38:19.000 can bring together, basically, I would say, the evidence, 05:38:19.160 --> 05:38:25.280 because what we need to do improve also is the way of how we discuss about it. 05:38:25.520 --> 05:38:29.280 It should not be based on opinions, it should be based on evidence and facts. 05:38:30.480 --> 05:38:35.720 And we need to rationalize the debate and really see what do we need to solve, 05:38:35.800 --> 05:38:40.080 how much of it and how and what aspects do we need to bring together. 05:38:40.160 --> 05:38:43.840 And that, I think, is what we are trying to support from the European side. 05:38:43.920 --> 05:38:45.120 On the supply side. 05:38:45.520 --> 05:38:50.000 So how the industry works, reduce costs, basically of production, production of 05:38:50.240 --> 05:38:54.480 either new housing or renovated housing. 05:38:54.960 --> 05:39:00.400 But also on the demand side, how we manage the different housing markets. 05:39:00.640 --> 05:39:03.840 There's a regulatory component, there's also a financial component. 05:39:04.320 --> 05:39:07.600 There are certain target groups which need particular attention, 05:39:07.680 --> 05:39:11.200 such as vulnerable people, but also 05:39:12.320 --> 05:39:16.440 I would say the different age groups which are particularly under pressure, 05:39:16.600 --> 05:39:19.760 notably young people, students, trainees, but also elderly citizens, 05:39:19.840 --> 05:39:25.960 handicapped citizens, then people which basically have unstable 05:39:27.240 --> 05:39:31.960 life histories and simply are more vulnerable than others. 05:39:33.960 --> 05:39:38.480 But also I would say the interconnection in some places in Europe with tourism, 05:39:38.560 --> 05:39:44.480 with other uses, which is a very important economic sector, 05:39:45.040 --> 05:39:49.040 but conflicts in many ways, where this basically goes beyond what 05:39:49.120 --> 05:39:53.360 a place can sustainably manage, beyond the, I would say, 05:39:53.440 --> 05:39:56.680 the acceptable level that the resident population would suffer 05:39:56.760 --> 05:39:58.000 and no longer accept it. 05:39:58.560 --> 05:40:01.840 So there we need to rationalize also how we approach that. 05:40:02.560 --> 05:40:06.560 And we are trying to put together as part of the affordable housing plan 05:40:07.120 --> 05:40:09.360 to be developed over the next year. 05:40:11.040 --> 05:40:14.440 What are good practices, how to do that, what are criteria for success, 05:40:15.520 --> 05:40:19.680 principles to be applied so that there's no disproportionate overshooting, 05:40:19.760 --> 05:40:21.080 but also an effective 05:40:23.200 --> 05:40:26.880 addressing of the different issues. 05:40:27.240 --> 05:40:31.680 There's the financial component, so that is why we would like to see also 05:40:31.760 --> 05:40:37.000 how we can improve not only the Volumes, but also how the different financial flows 05:40:37.080 --> 05:40:40.080 can better play together and can generate the overall, 05:40:41.680 --> 05:40:46.280 I would say, volumes needed to at least move the housing markets 05:40:46.360 --> 05:40:47.400 in the right direction. 05:40:47.600 --> 05:40:52.280 There's, of course, European funding, part of it can be generated from cohesion 05:40:52.360 --> 05:40:55.600 policy funding, part of it from the European Investment 05:40:55.680 --> 05:41:00.320 bank as a very important institution, but also nationally, state aid, 05:41:01.080 --> 05:41:04.600 revision of the rules in the sense of making them more flexible 05:41:05.080 --> 05:41:08.400 in the direction of affordable housing, not only social housing, housing, 05:41:09.200 --> 05:41:13.040 but also, I would say the role, the very important role of national 05:41:13.120 --> 05:41:18.080 promotional banks and regional promotional banks with a public mission and working 05:41:18.160 --> 05:41:19.400 with the private sector there. 05:41:19.480 --> 05:41:22.960 We are trying to build up European financing platform for housing, 05:41:23.920 --> 05:41:27.760 which should have also a national component, 05:41:27.840 --> 05:41:31.680 which is very strongly based on, I would say, practical user friendly 05:41:31.760 --> 05:41:35.960 approaches, advisory functions, where basically project developers 05:41:36.040 --> 05:41:41.600 and cities can go and get also advice on funding and policy, 05:41:42.800 --> 05:41:43.960 how to connect the two. 05:41:44.040 --> 05:41:45.860 Basically that is very important. 05:41:46.160 --> 05:41:51.600 And then I think there's a further focus which we'd like to develop, 05:41:52.480 --> 05:41:54.320 which is how we cooperate. 05:41:54.560 --> 05:41:58.120 So to really have, I would say, a cross border perspective, 05:41:58.200 --> 05:42:01.120 I'm not saying European perspective, because it can also move, 05:42:01.280 --> 05:42:04.320 move beyond the borders of the European Union in terms of what 05:42:04.400 --> 05:42:09.840 actually works, how do we learn from each other and what are the implications of, 05:42:09.920 --> 05:42:11.680 I would say, of different policies. 05:42:12.960 --> 05:42:16.680 And that, I think would lead to, I would say a reinforced, 05:42:16.760 --> 05:42:20.080 hopefully in the future, reinforced and improved exchange of 05:42:20.720 --> 05:42:25.120 practitioners, experiences and insights 05:42:26.880 --> 05:42:28.880 to see really how possibly 05:42:30.600 --> 05:42:32.920 frozen relationships within a member state, 05:42:33.680 --> 05:42:36.280 for whatever reasons, can be political reasons between different 05:42:36.360 --> 05:42:39.840 levels of government can be established views which have been built over time. 05:42:40.000 --> 05:42:43.320 People who think certain things and don't change their opinion anymore, 05:42:43.400 --> 05:42:48.600 simply reopen thinking, trying to challenge themselves by learning 05:42:48.680 --> 05:42:51.600 from each other, not in a negative way, but in a positive manner. 05:42:51.840 --> 05:42:54.560 And that, I think is what we would like to put in place as well. 05:42:54.880 --> 05:42:57.880 So working very closely with the European Parliament, 05:42:57.960 --> 05:43:03.200 as mentioned, as a special committee, which also is organizing hearings as we 05:43:03.280 --> 05:43:08.400 speak these weeks and months, in order to prepare a report, 05:43:09.120 --> 05:43:13.360 a report providing guidance what actually should happen, 05:43:13.920 --> 05:43:18.080 at least from the European side, but also what would be good practice, what are 05:43:18.160 --> 05:43:19.680 the issues which should be resolved. 05:43:19.920 --> 05:43:23.640 And then with the Council in particular, in the second half of the year, 05:43:23.720 --> 05:43:27.080 under the Danish presidency, there will be a reinforced process 05:43:27.160 --> 05:43:30.480 of member states coming together to see really what they would like 05:43:30.560 --> 05:43:31.960 to have from the European level. 05:43:32.280 --> 05:43:35.760 Because we are not going to do anything, which I think a majority of member states 05:43:35.840 --> 05:43:38.360 would reject and say, stay out of here. 05:43:38.680 --> 05:43:41.400 We don't have, unlike in other areas like 05:43:41.480 --> 05:43:46.000 energy, a legal basis where we simply say, 05:43:46.080 --> 05:43:48.080 this is European legislation. That's how we do it. 05:43:48.160 --> 05:43:51.240 We just negotiate, we make a proposal and we negotiate and that's it. 05:43:51.480 --> 05:43:53.200 This is a different way of working. 05:43:53.280 --> 05:43:57.040 It's more, I would say, cooperative, seeing what can be useful 05:43:57.120 --> 05:44:00.680 from the European side in order to create added value, 05:44:00.760 --> 05:44:03.240 where basically member states can solve a problem themselves. 05:44:03.480 --> 05:44:04.680 Fine, please do it. 05:44:04.920 --> 05:44:07.400 We are absolutely happy, we are more than happy to see 05:44:07.480 --> 05:44:08.640 that this will actually happen. 05:44:08.720 --> 05:44:13.680 But where it's not working, at least possibly we can benefit 05:44:13.760 --> 05:44:15.640 from this reinforced cooperation. 05:44:16.120 --> 05:44:19.920 And we are having, and we are launching a public consultation 05:44:20.080 --> 05:44:23.760 in June now alongside the one on the construction strategy, 05:44:23.840 --> 05:44:25.200 but also the state edge rules. 05:44:25.360 --> 05:44:27.480 And there will be some further interaction, 05:44:27.560 --> 05:44:30.920 but we are launching a concession on the affordable housing plan to really 05:44:31.000 --> 05:44:35.240 see what is the public opinion, what should be addressed and what 05:44:35.320 --> 05:44:37.040 do people feel really about it. 05:44:37.440 --> 05:44:42.200 And of course we would welcome very much your contributions as architects, 05:44:42.280 --> 05:44:45.000 as urban planners, as part of the public conversation, 05:44:45.080 --> 05:44:49.720 but also more specific, individualized, in depth exchanges. 05:44:50.600 --> 05:44:56.080 What you see really from your experience, as I would say system advisors as the ones 05:44:56.160 --> 05:44:59.480 which are really in a central position to see all the different 05:44:59.560 --> 05:45:00.600 aspects come together. 05:45:00.680 --> 05:45:06.520 Quality, esthetics, safety, inclusion, then sustainability, 05:45:06.600 --> 05:45:09.920 which basically is the climate and energy issue, but also environment, 05:45:10.080 --> 05:45:15.000 material efficiency, circular economy, circularity of materials, which materials 05:45:15.080 --> 05:45:16.920 to use and then affordability. 05:45:17.000 --> 05:45:21.840 How to ensure that the delivery of housing units can be, as I would say, 05:45:21.920 --> 05:45:24.920 affordable as possible to think about costs at all times. 05:45:25.400 --> 05:45:29.520 Because I think we need to overcome at least the perception of a disconnect 05:45:29.600 --> 05:45:31.080 between these three categories. 05:45:31.160 --> 05:45:32.360 There is no disconnect. 05:45:32.760 --> 05:45:37.240 Quality needs to be defined as appropriate quality for the users, 05:45:37.320 --> 05:45:41.040 for the citizens, which, which want to live in a certain place. 05:45:41.680 --> 05:45:44.840 And how to do that, how to deliver that in the most affordable manner. 05:45:44.920 --> 05:45:46.880 I'm not saying cheap, but affordable. 05:45:47.920 --> 05:45:50.960 So that basically there's a high efficiency of delivery 05:45:51.040 --> 05:45:51.920 that I think is important. 05:45:52.000 --> 05:45:54.760 And where probably you as architects in particular 05:45:56.760 --> 05:46:00.640 can advise, because you see what actually could be the different options, 05:46:00.720 --> 05:46:04.320 the choice of materials, the way of establishing it, but to think 05:46:04.400 --> 05:46:07.440 about costs also as a primary concern. 05:46:07.680 --> 05:46:12.240 So not only as an unfortunate consequence, you have defined something which is 05:46:12.320 --> 05:46:18.040 looking great, which has a super quality, is wonderfully inclusive and really looks 05:46:18.120 --> 05:46:21.400 great, but and then say, unfortunately costs quite a lot of money, 05:46:21.480 --> 05:46:24.000 but really think about costs right from the start, because 05:46:24.240 --> 05:46:26.040 the resources are limited, they. 05:46:26.120 --> 05:46:31.200 They need to be sufficient for everyone who needs to be basically supported. 05:46:32.840 --> 05:46:36.520 And that's why we need to see how we strike the right balance and bring in, 05:46:36.600 --> 05:46:38.040 of course also the private sector. 05:46:38.120 --> 05:46:40.200 Not everything can be Financed by public money. 05:46:40.520 --> 05:46:45.160 Public money and public support can only have a catalyst function. 05:46:45.320 --> 05:46:51.160 So an incentive effect, maybe taking over guarantees and launch 05:46:51.240 --> 05:46:52.760 something, but it cannot be enough. 05:46:52.840 --> 05:46:57.160 So the private sector in the end needs to deliver and be able to deliver 05:46:57.480 --> 05:47:00.760 and be enabled also to deliver with the right incentives. 05:47:01.720 --> 05:47:04.920 And that's, I think, what we need to achieve together. 05:47:05.320 --> 05:47:08.480 The Affordable Housing Plan will be a strategy and action plan. 05:47:08.560 --> 05:47:12.600 So we will try to provide added value by establishing principles 05:47:12.680 --> 05:47:13.440 for good practices. 05:47:13.520 --> 05:47:19.160 But also I would say member state specific analysis, what are the issues, 05:47:19.800 --> 05:47:24.440 and then identifying the key areas which will need to be further worked 05:47:24.520 --> 05:47:28.800 on in the future, in the next few years and at least until the end of the mandate. 05:47:30.000 --> 05:47:34.000 And that I think would then lead to hopefully improved 05:47:34.080 --> 05:47:38.400 outcomes in the sense of reduced pressures on housing markets. 05:47:39.520 --> 05:47:43.000 And I think we will not solve the housing crisis entirely. 05:47:43.080 --> 05:47:45.960 I think that would be unrealistic, but at least to move things in the right 05:47:46.040 --> 05:47:50.800 direction and try to do as much as possible in that period. 05:47:51.040 --> 05:47:54.160 And then of course we will need to see and take stock in a few years time what 05:47:54.240 --> 05:47:57.680 else would need to be done or whether we can say now it's normalized, we just 05:47:57.760 --> 05:47:59.760 hand it back to the normal processes. 05:47:59.840 --> 05:48:04.400 No further European involvement is needed, it's all under control or actually 05:48:04.480 --> 05:48:06.160 whether this needs to be continued. 05:48:06.560 --> 05:48:10.160 So with that I would like to thank you very much for your attention and look 05:48:10.240 --> 05:48:12.560 forward to the further exchanges. Thank you. 05:48:17.920 --> 05:48:18.720 Thank you, Stefan. 05:48:19.360 --> 05:48:20.660 Thank you very much. 05:48:21.520 --> 05:48:24.600 Now I would like to ask Frank de Hond, 05:48:25.200 --> 05:48:30.160 Secretary General of Eco ESO Carp. 05:48:30.240 --> 05:48:33.920 Sorry, I always win in a 05:48:36.240 --> 05:48:39.400 name swinging competition, but 05:48:40.400 --> 05:48:42.320 you have also the very difficult. 05:48:45.120 --> 05:48:46.680 Thank you. Introducing me. 05:48:46.760 --> 05:48:47.200 Yes. 05:48:48.640 --> 05:48:55.280 Well, ladies and gentlemen, thank you for staying so late. 05:48:55.360 --> 05:48:57.600 Yes, that's already an achievement. 05:48:57.840 --> 05:49:04.120 So I think my presentation is maybe going a little bit back to how 05:49:04.200 --> 05:49:05.280 we started this morning. 05:49:05.600 --> 05:49:07.440 So it's more like an open discourse. 05:49:09.520 --> 05:49:13.560 And I'm sorry, but there will be many repetitions of what you already heard 05:49:14.240 --> 05:49:18.200 and even repetitions of what you will hear tomorrow. 05:49:19.000 --> 05:49:22.680 But in a way that's also nice that there are some elements that resonate 05:49:22.760 --> 05:49:25.760 well speaker to speaker and from country to country. 05:49:26.080 --> 05:49:30.640 I am originally from Belgium, but I live in Greece, in Athens, and I 05:49:30.720 --> 05:49:33.480 work in many places all over the world. 05:49:34.200 --> 05:49:40.000 One of them is working with ISOCARP as a volunteer 05:49:40.520 --> 05:49:43.160 International Society of City and Regional Planners. 05:49:43.240 --> 05:49:47.000 Elizabeth, this morning already introduced the Society. 05:49:47.960 --> 05:49:52.240 We have our main office, the only office, our secretariat is 05:49:52.320 --> 05:49:53.960 in the Hague, in the Netherlands. 05:49:54.520 --> 05:50:00.680 But I am also working in Vietnam and also in Saudi Arabia, among other places. 05:50:01.080 --> 05:50:02.680 So let's get started. 05:50:03.000 --> 05:50:05.800 Let's see if this clicker will 05:50:07.240 --> 05:50:12.040 have enough battery to click. 05:50:15.320 --> 05:50:21.000 Oh yeah, well, otherwise I will have to. 05:50:22.200 --> 05:50:23.400 Was something happening? 05:50:25.720 --> 05:50:27.320 Ah, okay, okay, sorry. 05:50:27.800 --> 05:50:32.920 Well, I think I used that slide already last November or December, 05:50:33.000 --> 05:50:34.560 when was the last time we were here? 05:50:35.680 --> 05:50:37.360 Which was more about planning. 05:50:37.440 --> 05:50:39.080 This time is more about architecture. 05:50:39.160 --> 05:50:42.560 But I think we are here also to see how it can be blended. 05:50:42.960 --> 05:50:46.960 But this is our work field for isocarp. 05:50:47.040 --> 05:50:52.480 So we're not in the European Champions League. 05:50:53.760 --> 05:50:57.360 We tried to play on the bigger field 05:50:59.040 --> 05:51:01.520 and we like to view the world as 05:51:02.560 --> 05:51:03.600 a big city network. 05:51:05.120 --> 05:51:08.000 So we know we still have to consider 05:51:08.080 --> 05:51:13.200 the world as a assembly of countries. 05:51:13.280 --> 05:51:15.440 That's how the United nations still work. 05:51:15.920 --> 05:51:19.440 But somebody also said actually cities are much more important 05:51:20.480 --> 05:51:26.000 because they are closer to people, to sustainability, 05:51:26.880 --> 05:51:28.720 to livelihoods and so on. 05:51:29.040 --> 05:51:32.000 So this is our world city. 05:51:32.480 --> 05:51:38.160 And you know, you can move from one to another city along this 05:51:39.280 --> 05:51:40.560 improvised network. 05:51:41.040 --> 05:51:47.280 And you see some circles where, say ISOCARP has been doing activities 05:51:47.440 --> 05:51:50.400 or attending events worldwide. 05:51:50.560 --> 05:51:56.560 The red one is where I recently have been for planning assignments. 05:51:57.120 --> 05:52:01.800 And then I also added like I did last year, always with the back on, 05:52:01.880 --> 05:52:05.960 on our mind, the terrible war in Ukraine and how we as 05:52:06.040 --> 05:52:10.400 planners can hopefully play a role in 05:52:10.480 --> 05:52:15.040 the recovery once the peace has returned. 05:52:16.960 --> 05:52:21.880 Oh yeah, I added a couple of more circles since last time. 05:52:21.960 --> 05:52:26.480 You see also a black circle around Gaza and the West Bank. 05:52:26.640 --> 05:52:32.000 I have worked there three years and yeah, I feel really 05:52:32.560 --> 05:52:36.960 with the people over there, how to overcome this terrible development. 05:52:37.760 --> 05:52:40.000 Sudan, there are more conflicts in the world. 05:52:41.160 --> 05:52:45.960 But I also added a positive circle around Riyadh. 05:52:46.040 --> 05:52:49.240 This is the place where we are planning our next 05:52:49.480 --> 05:52:51.560 World Planning Congress in December. 05:52:51.880 --> 05:52:55.720 And again, as Elisabeth did, warmly welcoming you, 05:52:55.800 --> 05:52:59.800 I will show also at the end, a slide now, 05:53:00.440 --> 05:53:04.440 as I am so busy day and day 05:53:05.480 --> 05:53:08.160 with planning activities assignments. 05:53:10.160 --> 05:53:16.160 You know, from dealing with planning systems to planning with communities. 05:53:16.560 --> 05:53:17.360 Envisioning. 05:53:17.520 --> 05:53:21.280 I just returned from Vietnam working with a community 05:53:21.760 --> 05:53:27.760 to envision a more vibrant downtown area in a Mekong Delta city Benche. 05:53:28.320 --> 05:53:35.080 So that's really, really concrete, very practical. 05:53:36.960 --> 05:53:41.840 So as a passion, as a student, 05:53:42.480 --> 05:53:47.840 I developed certainly a passion and it was a hobby, architecture, 05:53:48.080 --> 05:53:53.840 but it was never really part of my curriculum as a planning professional. 05:53:54.000 --> 05:53:58.960 So thanks to this conference, it made me actually think, 05:53:59.040 --> 05:54:01.600 how can we bring that together? 05:54:02.760 --> 05:54:08.040 And well, this is actually text from ChatGPT, so I didn't. 05:54:08.920 --> 05:54:12.200 If you ask ChatGPT, what do you think about this question, 05:54:13.000 --> 05:54:14.600 then it shows you this. 05:54:14.840 --> 05:54:18.040 It's not really interconnected yet. 05:54:18.200 --> 05:54:22.760 It just gives you some kind of definitions Which I don't have to repeat for you. 05:54:22.840 --> 05:54:26.720 We know better because ChatGPT doesn't have 05:54:26.800 --> 05:54:30.280 the experiences that we bring together in this room, you know. 05:54:31.080 --> 05:54:32.920 So no chap GPT can. 05:54:33.160 --> 05:54:37.880 Can get to the point that we have lived up to so far and bring together 05:54:37.960 --> 05:54:44.040 here, but it's always good to have it as a backup. 05:54:44.360 --> 05:54:50.400 Now here ChatGPT tries to outsmart us by saying, well, you should aim 05:54:50.480 --> 05:54:53.640 for more interactions and synergies. Well, not so. 05:54:53.800 --> 05:54:56.120 Not so stupid. Yes, we should try that. 05:54:58.040 --> 05:54:59.440 Integrated policy frameworks. 05:54:59.520 --> 05:55:03.400 Interesting is that ChatGPT thinks that this is only happening in Europe. 05:55:04.440 --> 05:55:09.720 I'm not so sure if that is the case, but maybe it's encouraging for 05:55:11.320 --> 05:55:15.400 the representatives of EU and the commission 05:55:16.200 --> 05:55:21.240 that apparently indeed it's happening more here than elsewhere in the world. 05:55:21.880 --> 05:55:24.360 But it should happen everywhere, right? 05:55:27.400 --> 05:55:30.360 Design and density considerations, community engagement. 05:55:31.000 --> 05:55:34.920 So these are, you know, fields for interaction synergy. 05:55:35.240 --> 05:55:38.040 I would not disagree. Yes. 05:55:39.400 --> 05:55:40.040 Okay. 05:55:44.920 --> 05:55:46.200 Challenges and tensions. 05:55:46.360 --> 05:55:49.000 Market pressures versus policy goals. 05:55:49.240 --> 05:55:51.360 In some regions, housing policies have become. 05:55:51.440 --> 05:55:52.880 Become market oriented. 05:55:53.840 --> 05:55:54.720 Some regions. 05:55:55.360 --> 05:55:59.840 In some regions, housing politics have not become that market oriented. 05:55:59.920 --> 05:56:00.960 Maybe. Yes. 05:56:01.600 --> 05:56:02.720 Leading to conflicts. 05:56:02.800 --> 05:56:05.920 Spatial segregation, rigid housing differentiation. 05:56:06.400 --> 05:56:12.400 So what we have to say here as planners is of course no housing policy, 05:56:13.920 --> 05:56:17.720 no architectural policy can be done spatially blind. 05:56:17.800 --> 05:56:23.880 You know, it always has to be placed specific, contextual. 05:56:24.600 --> 05:56:28.520 So that's of course always a good starter. Conclusion. 05:56:28.600 --> 05:56:31.960 The interplay between architectural policies, spatial planning and housing 05:56:32.040 --> 05:56:36.920 policies is crucial for developing sustainable urban environments. 05:56:37.080 --> 05:56:40.760 Inclusive, responsive to the needs of their inhabitants, 05:56:40.920 --> 05:56:42.520 climate resilient, and so on. 05:56:42.600 --> 05:56:46.960 An integrated approach ensures that these policies complement 05:56:47.040 --> 05:56:51.040 each other other leading to cohesive and vibrant urban landscapes. 05:56:52.640 --> 05:56:54.240 Okay, let's take it from there. 05:56:55.360 --> 05:56:58.080 I think I will skip that one to be. 05:56:58.640 --> 05:57:05.280 Yes, here I will end up with some more Church GPT generated text about 05:57:05.840 --> 05:57:09.440 architecture as tool for spatial planning and policy. 05:57:09.920 --> 05:57:11.520 I. I just take the last one. 05:57:11.600 --> 05:57:12.880 Sustainable urbanism. 05:57:14.000 --> 05:57:18.320 Architectural design plays a crucial role in sustainable urban development. 05:57:19.200 --> 05:57:23.680 Incorporating green infrastructure can reduce environmental impact. 05:57:23.760 --> 05:57:27.720 Policies that encourage or mandate such designs can lead to more 05:57:27.800 --> 05:57:28.720 sustainable cities. 05:57:29.120 --> 05:57:34.400 And this resonates well with what I presented here last time. 05:57:35.440 --> 05:57:40.560 A kind of new rethinking on the profession of urban planning. 05:57:40.960 --> 05:57:45.920 It used to be town and country planning, then it was urban planning, then it became 05:57:46.000 --> 05:57:48.000 spatial planning, territorial planning. 05:57:48.480 --> 05:57:53.040 We even talk, we as a society 05:57:53.520 --> 05:57:57.600 of city and regional planners, we talk about city planning and regional planning. 05:57:57.840 --> 05:58:03.600 So yeah, it's a little bit semantic mess, but in the end we are all 05:58:04.080 --> 05:58:06.000 agents of sustainability. 05:58:06.080 --> 05:58:09.200 Or that's what we could aim for. Yeah. 05:58:09.280 --> 05:58:13.880 So sustainability planning and architecture and housing that could 05:58:13.960 --> 05:58:16.880 be all put under the same umbrella. 05:58:17.360 --> 05:58:23.280 And looking for a kind of new definition of integrated sustainability planning. 05:58:23.600 --> 05:58:30.080 I already explained last time these five plus 16 points. 05:58:30.400 --> 05:58:35.520 I don't have time to go over them again, but if you read quickly 05:58:35.760 --> 05:58:39.040 you can grasp most of it. 05:58:39.680 --> 05:58:46.000 Which refers to the five Ps of sustainable development, people, planets, 05:58:47.440 --> 05:58:52.000 prosperity, peace and partnership or true partnership. 05:58:52.160 --> 05:58:55.920 What I would like to focus here in the remaining time is on that 05:58:56.480 --> 05:58:59.480 fifth element, hard and soft urbanism. 05:59:00.280 --> 05:59:06.040 So I developed this definition a couple of years ago as part 05:59:06.120 --> 05:59:09.160 of my work with the United Nations. 05:59:09.720 --> 05:59:11.880 So it's not a new terms of turbinism. 05:59:13.320 --> 05:59:19.160 And again, if you ask ChatGPT, what do you think about this term, 05:59:19.240 --> 05:59:22.680 it gives you this answer for what it is. 05:59:23.000 --> 05:59:24.120 Soft urbanism. 05:59:26.200 --> 05:59:28.440 Interesting is also that it gives you some 05:59:28.520 --> 05:59:33.800 examples which I didn't know of caring 05:59:34.360 --> 05:59:37.080 architecture, complementary architecture. 05:59:37.240 --> 05:59:41.280 Anyone heard about the term caring architecture? 05:59:41.360 --> 05:59:42.840 Is that something new for you too? 05:59:44.200 --> 05:59:45.240 Even with names? 05:59:45.320 --> 05:59:50.800 Angelica and Elke advocate for architecture that integrates ecology. 05:59:51.200 --> 05:59:52.480 Well, it's great, it's great. 05:59:53.200 --> 05:59:53.640 Yes. 05:59:53.720 --> 05:59:57.920 I think caring is also something we use more and more in planning caring cities 05:59:58.960 --> 06:00:04.320 with a focus on health, on social issues, which is also considered to be more soft, 06:00:04.560 --> 06:00:08.320 less based on infrastructure and so on. 06:00:08.720 --> 06:00:15.080 So I think there is a lot of overlap in approaches in the different disciplines 06:00:15.160 --> 06:00:16.840 that has to come together somehow. 06:00:17.240 --> 06:00:21.400 The overlapping circles of Marcus make sense. 06:00:21.560 --> 06:00:26.920 Conclusion Architectural quality discourses within soft urbanism approaches 06:00:27.000 --> 06:00:31.960 advocate for a shift towards environments that are adaptable, inclusive, 06:00:32.840 --> 06:00:36.440 sustainable by integrating both physical and digital. 06:00:36.760 --> 06:00:40.920 This is also related now all of a sudden to digital realms 06:00:42.360 --> 06:00:44.520 and prioritizing human centric design. 06:00:45.160 --> 06:00:49.320 These approaches aim to create cities that support the well being of their 06:00:49.400 --> 06:00:52.120 inhabitants and the health of the planet. 06:00:53.240 --> 06:00:55.640 And yeah, this will be. 06:00:56.120 --> 06:01:01.040 This already was presented by Joao and tomorrow also by Christian. 06:01:01.120 --> 06:01:04.440 So I wouldn't, I don't have to explain it into detail, 06:01:04.920 --> 06:01:10.760 but I think this is interesting that these elements are coming back as a kind 06:01:10.840 --> 06:01:13.160 of hybridization of the different fields. 06:01:13.960 --> 06:01:19.640 So I really like that kind of approach that is looking for this kind 06:01:19.720 --> 06:01:23.400 of hybridization and synergies between the different disciplines. 06:01:23.480 --> 06:01:26.040 And that's what we really need to aim for. 06:01:26.920 --> 06:01:30.200 Okay, so you've seen this morning, 06:01:31.400 --> 06:01:34.040 but I also found this one that says, okay, 06:01:34.360 --> 06:01:39.600 it's good to distinguish quality cultural tools, quality delivery tools 06:01:40.080 --> 06:01:42.720 and then informal versus formal tools. 06:01:42.800 --> 06:01:44.960 That's the initial diagram. 06:01:45.120 --> 06:01:49.360 And then somebody, I don't know if that's Matthew, 06:01:50.640 --> 06:01:52.080 added this. 06:01:52.240 --> 06:01:57.360 The financial aspect, managing investment, which is very often 06:01:57.440 --> 06:02:01.200 overlooked by planners and designers. 06:02:01.760 --> 06:02:05.360 We have nothing to do with the Finance, we have nothing to do with 06:02:06.560 --> 06:02:08.760 investors, which is not true. 06:02:09.080 --> 06:02:12.920 So it should be a more integrated approach 06:02:13.080 --> 06:02:16.360 also from the point view of legal issues, 06:02:18.200 --> 06:02:20.680 financial issues and so on. 06:02:20.920 --> 06:02:22.760 So soft and hard together. 06:02:23.000 --> 06:02:25.800 Yeah, the toolbox. Okay. 06:02:26.920 --> 06:02:31.480 And then one of the elements that I have experienced in the, 06:02:31.720 --> 06:02:37.680 in the last few years is the growing importance of, of persuasion. 06:02:39.040 --> 06:02:44.480 So the idea that the master planners developed a plan in a very technical way 06:02:48.640 --> 06:02:49.680 is long gone. 06:02:50.320 --> 06:02:56.800 Everything has become a result of teamwork, but also of communication. 06:02:56.960 --> 06:02:57.440 Yes. 06:02:58.480 --> 06:03:05.400 And in the communication of planning, the element of architectural visualization 06:03:05.960 --> 06:03:11.080 has also become more and more important, even to a point where I wonder, 06:03:11.720 --> 06:03:16.040 isn't it overtaking too much the planning behind it? 06:03:16.360 --> 06:03:19.280 It's all about the visuals, the renderings, you know, 06:03:19.360 --> 06:03:20.600 that's how you sell the plan. 06:03:20.680 --> 06:03:24.200 But then the politicians who buy for the rendering or the investors, 06:03:24.280 --> 06:03:27.320 they don't actually know the plan behind it, it's anymore. 06:03:27.400 --> 06:03:29.400 So there is of course that balance. 06:03:29.480 --> 06:03:36.080 But I think it's interesting that planners were forced to produce these renderings 06:03:36.720 --> 06:03:39.440 to show how a plan would work in practice. 06:03:39.920 --> 06:03:41.360 And then you have this balance. 06:03:41.760 --> 06:03:47.680 Is it only about volumes or you really suggest architecture like in that image 06:03:47.760 --> 06:03:50.480 that you see on the right and the image on the left. 06:03:51.520 --> 06:03:52.920 And that's for me a question mark. 06:03:53.000 --> 06:03:57.600 Certainly now with the use of AI, yes, this is going very quickly. 06:03:57.760 --> 06:04:02.400 With a few clicks you actually ask 06:04:03.200 --> 06:04:06.160 the computers to generate some renderings 06:04:06.240 --> 06:04:11.200 that shows you like architecture, but it's AI generated architecture. 06:04:11.280 --> 06:04:16.320 And I don't know if that is a positive development as such. 06:04:16.560 --> 06:04:20.080 If we lose control over that and. 06:04:21.760 --> 06:04:23.200 But we shouldn't be afraid of it. 06:04:23.280 --> 06:04:25.280 And here this is 06:04:26.640 --> 06:04:30.800 a plan for Baku, A general master plan 06:04:31.920 --> 06:04:36.560 made by a German company that was awarded by Isaacar two years ago. 06:04:36.800 --> 06:04:43.280 Two years, three years ago, 2022 with the award of planning excellence. 06:04:43.680 --> 06:04:49.480 And I think because they try to blend the different aspects 06:04:49.560 --> 06:04:52.800 of, let's say boring planning 06:04:53.920 --> 06:04:56.560 design, but also trying to visualize it 06:04:56.640 --> 06:05:00.000 in terms of architectural suggestions. 06:05:00.560 --> 06:05:02.240 And I hope we still have. 06:05:02.320 --> 06:05:06.480 It's a four minute clip is maybe good because in my view it 06:05:06.560 --> 06:05:07.760 gives a good synthesis. 06:05:10.400 --> 06:05:14.840 Challenges guide the future urban and regional development of the city of Baku. 06:05:16.040 --> 06:05:21.320 The City of Winds is growing, advancing and unfolding. 06:05:22.360 --> 06:05:27.240 Baku's gravitational pull is shifting towards a multinuclear metropolis. 06:05:27.880 --> 06:05:32.440 The polycentric scheme is composed of an urban core, five concentric 06:05:32.520 --> 06:05:35.160 districts and two peripheral regions. 06:05:35.640 --> 06:05:39.240 Decentralization provides equal access to public facilities, 06:05:39.720 --> 06:05:41.640 commerce and employment. 06:05:42.280 --> 06:05:46.520 The urban core center will serve capital functions as an economic 06:05:46.680 --> 06:05:50.200 and administrative hub, providing specialized services 06:05:50.360 --> 06:05:51.960 and cultural facilities. 06:05:53.320 --> 06:05:57.400 Local centers mark the transition from the hinterland into the city. 06:05:57.880 --> 06:06:03.320 These gateways will be distinct, vibrant places to live, work and and play. 06:06:04.040 --> 06:06:08.760 Regional urban centers will give distant communities a degree of self sufficiency. 06:06:09.080 --> 06:06:13.960 They will hold enough land to allow urban growth and diversification. 06:06:14.360 --> 06:06:18.040 Baku is building a new urban economy that will meet the future 06:06:18.120 --> 06:06:19.880 needs of a growing population. 06:06:21.000 --> 06:06:24.840 As in the White City, heavy industry will be relocated outside 06:06:24.920 --> 06:06:28.720 the central area of Baku to create adequate space spaces 06:06:28.800 --> 06:06:30.320 of new economic activities. 06:06:31.680 --> 06:06:35.520 High value industries will be clustered and introduced incrementally 06:06:35.600 --> 06:06:37.120 in strategic locations. 06:06:38.240 --> 06:06:43.280 These dynamic urban clusters will be the engines of the city's post oil economy 06:06:43.600 --> 06:06:46.080 and the marketplaces for everyday life. 06:06:47.040 --> 06:06:51.440 The Baku General Plan is based on a model for Transit Oriented Development, 06:06:52.720 --> 06:06:54.720 which promotes public public transport. 06:06:55.920 --> 06:07:00.240 Building upon existing infrastructure, the plan overlays transit hubs 06:07:00.320 --> 06:07:05.520 with networks of roads, metro rail, light rail and cycling. 06:07:06.560 --> 06:07:10.880 Baku's historic center is a rich tapestry of cultural influences, 06:07:10.960 --> 06:07:15.680 recognized as a UNESCO World Heritage Site and visited by millions. 06:07:16.240 --> 06:07:19.280 But there is more to preserve outside the walled city. 06:07:20.640 --> 06:07:25.760 A newly designated Baku Central Planning district will encompass historic buildings 06:07:25.840 --> 06:07:31.920 and monuments, oil boom gems, Soviet modernism and contemporary icons. 06:07:32.720 --> 06:07:37.280 A special protection zone will extend historic preservation beyond the walled 06:07:37.360 --> 06:07:40.320 city to mitigate high density developments. 06:07:41.040 --> 06:07:44.720 Contextual planning regulations will introduce a homogeneous 06:07:45.200 --> 06:07:48.760 yet respectful urban structure that minimizes visual impacts 06:07:48.840 --> 06:07:50.240 on the historic center. 06:07:50.640 --> 06:07:55.120 The area will carefully knit the historic core to the rest of the city. 06:07:55.760 --> 06:07:59.440 Hybrid green corridors combine high performance functionality 06:07:59.520 --> 06:08:02.240 with environmental comfort and wellness. 06:08:02.880 --> 06:08:07.360 They include significant ecological features that improve microclimates, 06:08:07.520 --> 06:08:12.200 generous slow mobility infrastructure as well, well as active street fronts 06:08:12.280 --> 06:08:15.400 and ground floor activities that animate urban life. 06:08:16.920 --> 06:08:21.320 Over time, the amount of public green areas will improve citizens access 06:08:21.400 --> 06:08:24.120 to sports, recreation and nature. 06:08:25.720 --> 06:08:29.800 Blue and green infrastructure will remediate decades of contamination, 06:08:30.200 --> 06:08:34.360 making these resources safe and resilient in the face of climate change. 06:08:35.480 --> 06:08:40.120 Baku Baku is surrounded by several lakes with enormous unutilized potential. 06:08:41.240 --> 06:08:47.000 Restoring their aquatic systems will create almost 50km of lakeside waterfront 06:08:47.240 --> 06:08:49.560 which will welcome visitors and new development. 06:08:50.840 --> 06:08:55.600 The Baku General Plan protects natural reserves from ecological degradation 06:08:55.680 --> 06:09:00.440 and invasive development, shaping responsible growths along the edges. 06:09:01.880 --> 06:09:06.200 Natural assets around Baku hold enormous promise for ecology, 06:09:06.280 --> 06:09:08.360 regeneration and recreation. 06:09:09.400 --> 06:09:14.400 Making ecological and cultural wonders accessible to Bakuvians will preserve the 06:09:14.480 --> 06:09:16.920 unique cultural landscape for the future. 06:09:18.440 --> 06:09:21.080 The City of Tomorrow is within arm's reach. 06:09:21.480 --> 06:09:25.160 It is sustainable, pluralistic and heterogeneous. 06:09:25.640 --> 06:09:32.480 The future of Baku will be defined by many destinations, experiences and individuals 06:09:32.800 --> 06:09:36.480 spread across the urban landscape and seamlessly connected. 06:09:37.120 --> 06:09:39.600 More than a place, a lifestyle. 06:09:40.240 --> 06:09:43.600 Baku 2040 the future awaits. 06:09:44.400 --> 06:09:46.320 Okay, thank you for your patience. 06:09:47.280 --> 06:09:50.400 I wanted to show this because in isocarp we like this approach, 06:09:50.880 --> 06:09:55.200 which is blending different scales, blending different disciplines. 06:09:56.720 --> 06:10:02.000 Of course, it all depends on the will to implement such a plan. 06:10:02.480 --> 06:10:07.360 But we can only do our best to provide the right input. 06:10:07.440 --> 06:10:13.600 So I would like to close the presentation by saying, well, Baku also happened to be 06:10:13.840 --> 06:10:18.720 the next location for the next World Urban Forum next year. 06:10:19.440 --> 06:10:23.320 But meanwhile we will have our own World Planning Congress. 06:10:23.800 --> 06:10:27.640 And there is also the next coup on climate in Belem. 06:10:27.720 --> 06:10:33.880 And this is the last slide to warmly invite you to join our next planning 06:10:33.960 --> 06:10:36.880 conference in Riyadh, end of this year. 06:10:36.960 --> 06:10:43.080 And until tomorrow you can still submit your abstract. 06:10:43.240 --> 06:10:44.600 So I would say start. 06:10:44.680 --> 06:10:47.280 Start writing and submit it. Still. 06:10:47.360 --> 06:10:49.040 Still doable. Thank you much. 06:10:53.360 --> 06:10:56.160 Stay with us. You can have second to. 06:10:57.280 --> 06:10:59.120 Stefan, please come with us. 06:10:59.760 --> 06:11:03.520 And I would like to ask also for our 06:11:04.560 --> 06:11:07.520 panel, Nicola Matthews, 06:11:08.000 --> 06:11:12.720 well, the senior advisor in Department of Heritage and Housing 06:11:13.360 --> 06:11:16.920 and also the representative of the European Directors 06:11:17.000 --> 06:11:18.920 of of Architecture policies. 06:11:19.400 --> 06:11:20.760 Please come to us. 06:11:21.560 --> 06:11:22.120 Yeah. 06:11:24.280 --> 06:11:28.960 Then I would like to ask Marcus header for president of European Council 06:11:29.040 --> 06:11:34.920 of Spatial Planners Eugene Panesco, the chair of our 06:11:35.480 --> 06:11:40.600 work group ACE work group Urban and housing transformation expert on 06:11:40.680 --> 06:11:43.520 bioculture quality and public procurement. Moment. 06:11:44.880 --> 06:11:47.520 Piot Lawrence, you know him very well. 06:11:47.600 --> 06:11:50.160 The architect, city architect in gdask. 06:11:53.200 --> 06:11:59.960 Bahabao Calfoni from GDASK University of Technology as representative 06:12:00.040 --> 06:12:02.560 of the academia and young generation. 06:12:03.360 --> 06:12:07.280 And Shimon Wojciechowski, practicing architect who will 06:12:08.000 --> 06:12:13.800 face the question question how to realistically maintain quality 06:12:14.280 --> 06:12:17.960 with the budget and we will know it. 06:12:19.240 --> 06:12:21.240 Well, we are all. Yeah, thank you. 06:12:29.960 --> 06:12:30.880 We are huge. 06:12:30.960 --> 06:12:35.080 And we have this privilege that we are last and organizer is with us. 06:12:35.160 --> 06:12:36.520 So we don't care about time. 06:12:37.400 --> 06:12:37.760 Yeah. 06:12:37.840 --> 06:12:42.680 But first of all, please let me sorry to say, but this is not an excuse. 06:12:42.760 --> 06:12:44.200 Yeah, I know, I know, I know. 06:12:44.360 --> 06:12:46.440 Well, but of course 06:12:49.320 --> 06:12:52.640 if I have this feeling that I have to to. 06:12:52.720 --> 06:12:57.000 To ask one question with out of record and it could be answer. 06:12:57.080 --> 06:12:58.600 Yes. No, no. 06:12:58.840 --> 06:13:00.280 Stefan, it's for you. 06:13:01.960 --> 06:13:04.880 Do you know single architect? Single? 06:13:04.960 --> 06:13:05.200 No. 06:13:05.280 --> 06:13:09.800 Single politician who made a career on housing? 06:13:12.520 --> 06:13:13.720 No. Thank you. 06:13:15.240 --> 06:13:16.840 Yeah, well, I was. Sorry. 06:13:16.920 --> 06:13:19.560 Sorry. I was supposed such answer because 06:13:20.600 --> 06:13:25.320 it sounds really maybe sexy about 06:13:25.960 --> 06:13:28.280 housing because it's a current program. 06:13:28.600 --> 06:13:34.560 But staying with you and with you, Stefan, as an expert of this 06:13:34.640 --> 06:13:36.440 strategy and what you. 06:13:36.520 --> 06:13:41.040 What you showed us how does the commission 06:13:42.000 --> 06:13:45.680 housing strategy will take into account 06:13:46.960 --> 06:13:52.480 quality quality aspect such as design and well being. 06:13:53.840 --> 06:13:55.680 I think that's the starting point. 06:13:55.920 --> 06:14:00.920 So to be defined, analyzed and defined and consulted 06:14:01.000 --> 06:14:05.400 with citizens those basically who are supposed to use the urban 06:14:05.480 --> 06:14:07.520 space or also rural spaces. 06:14:08.800 --> 06:14:09.960 That's the starting point. 06:14:10.040 --> 06:14:13.920 What do we need in the long term, in a long term perspective? 06:14:14.000 --> 06:14:17.520 Because we don't want short term solutions which will be regretted later on, 06:14:17.600 --> 06:14:22.120 which will cost more than actually is necessary and not 06:14:22.200 --> 06:14:23.520 serve society's needs, needs. 06:14:23.760 --> 06:14:28.720 But then once the quality is defined, what do we need 06:14:29.360 --> 06:14:34.680 that this is then delivered in a way which makes it really affordable and ensures 06:14:34.760 --> 06:14:36.080 affordability at the same time. 06:14:36.160 --> 06:14:37.360 I think that's important. 06:14:38.400 --> 06:14:40.480 But quality should not be compromised. 06:14:40.560 --> 06:14:44.240 It should be the starting point of a society dialog. 06:14:45.680 --> 06:14:50.280 Architects and planners have crossed fingers because I remember the conference 06:14:50.360 --> 06:14:54.680 you are in Madrid with when our president Ruth Chagaman was told 06:14:54.760 --> 06:15:00.200 by developers that quality costs, but in fact quality is long term investment. 06:15:01.320 --> 06:15:08.280 So Frank, thank you for your presentation, especially referring to Baku because maybe 06:15:08.760 --> 06:15:12.760 I'm sure you are aware that most of the architecture in 06:15:14.040 --> 06:15:18.120 end of 19th century and beginning of the 20th century was designed by Poles, 06:15:18.200 --> 06:15:22.280 Polish architects, even the parliament in Baku and Parliament 06:15:22.360 --> 06:15:25.160 in Warsaw was designed by the same architect. 06:15:25.720 --> 06:15:28.760 Well, Frank, 06:15:31.000 --> 06:15:33.680 you made us familiar about your work, 06:15:33.760 --> 06:15:35.320 which is really impressive. 06:15:35.640 --> 06:15:40.760 And how can you define how soft urbanism 06:15:41.320 --> 06:15:43.480 enrich public housing policy? 06:15:44.120 --> 06:15:44.840 How can we? 06:15:48.680 --> 06:15:50.360 Yeah, we are in the beginning. 06:15:50.440 --> 06:15:51.640 They are collecting ideas. 06:15:51.720 --> 06:15:57.480 Yeah, I, I think I had my, my slot so I, I have to keep it really brief. 06:15:57.960 --> 06:16:02.360 But I picked something up from the, the European Bauhaus. 06:16:03.000 --> 06:16:05.640 What was the slogan again? 06:16:06.120 --> 06:16:07.880 Beautiful, Sustainable. 06:16:07.960 --> 06:16:09.160 Sustainable and together. 06:16:10.440 --> 06:16:15.080 I would say yeah, it's good to, to have these kind of mental 06:16:15.160 --> 06:16:19.800 cur with you to stay on track because 06:16:20.600 --> 06:16:23.320 it's very easy to be diverted 06:16:23.400 --> 06:16:28.520 and distracted by so many issues that might seem 06:16:28.600 --> 06:16:29.800 very important at the time. 06:16:29.880 --> 06:16:33.160 But when you take a step back you say, well, that's not really the issue. 06:16:34.360 --> 06:16:39.480 So yeah, as in planning, planning, such a complex issue. 06:16:39.800 --> 06:16:41.720 Housing is a very, very complex issue. 06:16:46.200 --> 06:16:47.560 Compared to architecture. 06:16:49.160 --> 06:16:52.280 It's a very complex issue and not so popular. 06:16:53.320 --> 06:16:57.640 To give you an example, we as a society of urban planners, 06:16:58.120 --> 06:17:02.680 we actually stem from the International Federation 06:17:02.920 --> 06:17:08.160 of Housing and planning, the EFHP, which is an older organization, 06:17:08.240 --> 06:17:10.920 more than 100 years and which was rooted 06:17:11.000 --> 06:17:16.840 in the Ebenezer Howard movement, Garden City movement, which was, 06:17:17.400 --> 06:17:22.040 you know, also trying to blend design, planning and housing. 06:17:23.320 --> 06:17:29.240 And unfortunately I have to admit that by focusing more on planning and design, 06:17:29.560 --> 06:17:34.200 we forgot a little bit about housing and we are actually now committed 06:17:35.920 --> 06:17:38.880 to be more, to bring it back, 06:17:39.280 --> 06:17:43.680 to look for more hybridization. 06:17:44.160 --> 06:17:46.240 So we are very open to the dialog. 06:17:46.640 --> 06:17:47.800 So we don't have the answers. 06:17:47.880 --> 06:17:51.200 We don't have the answers, but I would say keep a number of 06:17:52.160 --> 06:17:57.840 core values guiding Principles and let's try to bridge 06:17:57.920 --> 06:18:01.120 the guiding principles we have in planning, like the international 06:18:01.280 --> 06:18:06.320 guidelines on urban territorial planning planning, and enrich them with core values 06:18:06.400 --> 06:18:12.640 and principles for affordable, sustainable, beautiful housing. 06:18:12.800 --> 06:18:13.440 Thank you. 06:18:14.080 --> 06:18:18.240 So we are just in the point that we are collecting all the ideas as we understood 06:18:18.320 --> 06:18:21.120 from Stefan presentation for the speech. 06:18:21.200 --> 06:18:26.560 Well, and you just proved that we have to change our attitude to the space. 06:18:27.280 --> 06:18:31.960 Even we have to consider if, for example, the parking plots we should 06:18:32.040 --> 06:18:33.640 change and build for housing. 06:18:33.720 --> 06:18:39.080 But we have a lot of houses which we have to reuse and rebuild. 06:18:39.240 --> 06:18:41.080 And Nicola, what's your opinion? 06:18:41.160 --> 06:18:43.000 Because you are an expert in this part. 06:18:45.880 --> 06:18:49.400 Is this working? Okay, thank you very much, Boris. 06:18:51.160 --> 06:18:54.920 I would use the term expert very carefully. 06:18:55.000 --> 06:18:57.400 I feel I'm always learning every day. 06:18:57.480 --> 06:19:00.200 And I suppose I would just like to sort of 06:19:00.760 --> 06:19:04.840 reflect on the opportunity Ireland had 06:19:04.920 --> 06:19:09.240 to participate in the development of the European architectural policy. 06:19:10.760 --> 06:19:15.280 It gave us an opportunity at a time when we were also writing our own national 06:19:15.360 --> 06:19:17.880 policy on architecture, which is called Places for People. 06:19:18.360 --> 06:19:23.160 And I suppose the great, great look of our timing was 06:19:23.240 --> 06:19:27.600 that we were able to look across the continent, continent of Europe, 06:19:27.840 --> 06:19:34.120 and look at practices and case studies and innovations and draw on things like 06:19:34.200 --> 06:19:36.720 the Urban Maestro project, the biocouture. 06:19:37.120 --> 06:19:40.680 And I suppose it really shifted our thinking about what we wanted to do 06:19:40.760 --> 06:19:42.400 with our own policy and architecture. 06:19:42.880 --> 06:19:47.880 So I suppose I can sort of say that taking this European thinking 06:19:48.840 --> 06:19:52.440 and we also embedded our new European Bauhaus, 06:19:53.160 --> 06:19:58.600 we really felt that where we maybe hadn't been as successful in previous 06:19:59.160 --> 06:20:03.480 national policies, working with these new European dimensions, we 06:20:03.960 --> 06:20:05.160 are having greater success. 06:20:05.400 --> 06:20:10.600 We are maybe better engaged with our local authorities. 06:20:12.200 --> 06:20:15.360 We can see the value of the architecture in the role 06:20:16.240 --> 06:20:21.360 these soft governance approaches that came through from Urban Maestro. 06:20:22.400 --> 06:20:26.720 We've started to put our national policy and architecture into action, 06:20:28.000 --> 06:20:31.920 working with partners in architecture 06:20:32.000 --> 06:20:35.520 policy to bring the conversation 06:20:35.840 --> 06:20:37.040 around in a different way. 06:20:37.120 --> 06:20:39.920 And I can talk to a few key projects on that. 06:20:40.560 --> 06:20:45.200 We were very fortunate to have the EU meeting awards in, in Dublin. 06:20:45.440 --> 06:20:48.880 And that gave us a wonderful opportunity to engage 06:20:49.040 --> 06:20:55.120 with the housing quality projects that were coming through the the awards. 06:20:56.240 --> 06:20:59.200 And we had engagement across our housing department, 06:21:00.160 --> 06:21:04.640 planners, architects, local authorities, colleges that came in with students 06:21:05.040 --> 06:21:08.560 and I suppose really the sense that we are building 06:21:09.400 --> 06:21:15.320 a new way of thinking and cooperating and collaborating other projects. 06:21:15.400 --> 06:21:19.240 Very quickly we had housing unlocked, which was, 06:21:20.120 --> 06:21:23.320 you know, thinking of the new European Bauhaus, that you have a problem 06:21:23.400 --> 06:21:27.000 and how do you solve it and how do you bring people together who can think 06:21:27.320 --> 06:21:31.800 in a different way and see the opportunities so we had 06:21:32.360 --> 06:21:36.320 worked with the Irish Architectural foundation and our Arts Council, who 06:21:36.720 --> 06:21:38.720 help deliver our policy and architecture. 06:21:39.120 --> 06:21:45.280 And they invited architectural practices to come and look at how we might 06:21:46.480 --> 06:21:53.360 solve our housing problem, our challenges, by looking at the potential of vacant 06:21:53.440 --> 06:21:55.920 and derelict buildings, unused buildings. 06:21:56.080 --> 06:21:59.520 And we had a wonderful exhibition, which is available to you online, 06:22:00.400 --> 06:22:02.080 about the possibility of. 06:22:02.160 --> 06:22:05.520 Of densifying, reusing, extending 06:22:06.800 --> 06:22:09.920 and making old places, 06:22:10.000 --> 06:22:11.520 new places for people to live. 06:22:12.320 --> 06:22:15.000 So those are some suggestions. Thank you. 06:22:15.080 --> 06:22:18.600 Before we jump to Eugene, 06:22:18.680 --> 06:22:22.960 I should say that in November last year 06:22:24.080 --> 06:22:27.840 in Krakow, we signed the Krakow declaration together with. 06:22:28.360 --> 06:22:32.320 I mean we as Architectural Council of Europe, together with Europe 06:22:32.400 --> 06:22:35.960 and Austria and Ecomos, which was referring to the 06:22:37.080 --> 06:22:41.880 heritage buildings, those who are maybe not under conservatory 06:22:42.440 --> 06:22:48.200 protection, not listed, but should be preserved to the next generations. 06:22:48.840 --> 06:22:53.320 Mainly those who were which were built in 20th century. 06:22:53.560 --> 06:22:59.520 And the aspect of the reuse must be considered more strongly. 06:22:59.840 --> 06:23:04.400 So I think that it is also the part of the housing issues. 06:23:06.320 --> 06:23:13.040 But in fact, I must tell you that in IRA 3 06:23:14.080 --> 06:23:14.720 we had 06:23:16.560 --> 06:23:23.560 homework to do to prepare the letter to DG Housing with collecting all the 06:23:24.360 --> 06:23:28.200 problems which are concerned to housing. 06:23:28.520 --> 06:23:32.760 Eugene, you were just leading the group which do they did that. 06:23:32.920 --> 06:23:33.720 And as 06:23:37.480 --> 06:23:40.120 our previous speaker, Nicola, told about 06:23:40.200 --> 06:23:43.080 the tools which could be the competition. 06:23:43.960 --> 06:23:49.000 Can you just refer to this point and maybe you find another tools which could be used 06:23:49.720 --> 06:23:52.520 by authorities? 06:23:54.040 --> 06:23:55.160 Sure. Thank you. 06:23:55.320 --> 06:23:56.480 Thank you for the invitation. 06:23:56.560 --> 06:23:59.080 And in such a great panel discussing housing. 06:23:59.480 --> 06:24:04.440 Actually there are so few topics that are housing unrelated in what we do. 06:24:04.520 --> 06:24:08.600 Housing is such a transgressional topic that pulls with lots 06:24:08.680 --> 06:24:10.120 of gravitation a lot of interest. 06:24:10.200 --> 06:24:15.080 And we have to look at how to achieve quality, 06:24:15.320 --> 06:24:19.520 as spoken before, but exactly how to find the adapted solution for every situation. 06:24:19.600 --> 06:24:24.200 Because we actually rarely look at the cost of bed design. 06:24:25.000 --> 06:24:30.360 Bed design has a cost that it's mostly over time. 06:24:31.080 --> 06:24:32.960 And this was even a brochure of CABE. 06:24:33.040 --> 06:24:37.880 It was a very interesting group some 10 years ago that faded away. 06:24:38.280 --> 06:24:42.840 But in avoiding the cost of bed design, we have have to look for the good design. 06:24:42.920 --> 06:24:46.800 And the good design is surely achieved by competition 06:24:46.960 --> 06:24:49.920 and by good public procurement criteria. 06:24:50.640 --> 06:24:51.760 But this is not enough. 06:24:52.240 --> 06:24:56.560 We cannot stop at this just to demand competitions and public procurement. 06:24:56.640 --> 06:25:01.920 Because these things are only tools that have to be shaped by quality 06:25:02.000 --> 06:25:03.760 criterias discussed before. 06:25:03.920 --> 06:25:06.800 And to see in which situation what quality actually means. 06:25:06.960 --> 06:25:11.160 And this is such a subjective discussion, because quality is not only 06:25:11.240 --> 06:25:14.800 norms, technical norms for comfort, that many countries have 06:25:15.760 --> 06:25:19.920 isolation and types like this and excess dimensions, 06:25:20.080 --> 06:25:25.040 but it also related to the very personal situation of the dweller and this is very 06:25:25.120 --> 06:25:28.960 subjective because everybody looks at one home 06:25:29.520 --> 06:25:33.840 quite differently and sees qualities where somebody else doesn't. 06:25:34.800 --> 06:25:40.680 And we face this situation in my country, I'm from Romania, and we have spent over 06:25:40.760 --> 06:25:45.920 the COVID time, which was a good lesson time to learn, with a very 06:25:47.600 --> 06:25:52.880 broad think tank, with many professions where the architects were in minority 06:25:53.840 --> 06:25:56.400 and quite good. So. 06:25:56.800 --> 06:26:00.120 And we have developed in the end a metrics, of course, qualities 06:26:00.200 --> 06:26:02.800 for housing, mostly apartments. 06:26:02.880 --> 06:26:07.880 We avoided the single family homes, but for apartments. 06:26:07.960 --> 06:26:14.200 And we try to come to the objective part of what's actually subjective. 06:26:14.440 --> 06:26:19.040 And this is a very important tool that I will perhaps mention again if we make 06:26:19.120 --> 06:26:22.760 the round, because with this we could shape 06:26:22.920 --> 06:26:25.760 architectural competitions and public procurement. 06:26:25.840 --> 06:26:27.920 They have to be based on something else. Else. 06:26:28.240 --> 06:26:32.800 You cannot just say procurement or public procurement is very. 06:26:33.200 --> 06:26:33.600 And. 06:26:33.680 --> 06:26:38.560 And of course, most build structures are for housing, basically. 06:26:38.640 --> 06:26:42.160 So this leads to the idea that so many 06:26:42.240 --> 06:26:46.000 groups and people are building, buying, 06:26:46.160 --> 06:26:48.720 selling and using houses in the end. 06:26:48.800 --> 06:26:51.080 So it's a very diverse landscape. 06:26:51.160 --> 06:26:55.600 You cannot regulate it only with competitions and public procurement. 06:26:56.320 --> 06:27:01.120 It tends to regulate a part of the investment landscape, but it's not enough. 06:27:01.520 --> 06:27:07.000 And of course, it's rarely the case that you just do 06:27:07.080 --> 06:27:10.800 architectural design competitions, because you see the houses 06:27:10.880 --> 06:27:16.200 in the neighborhoods, in the urban realm, and in a climate situation 06:27:16.280 --> 06:27:17.440 that cannot be avoided. 06:27:17.520 --> 06:27:20.560 Nowadays it's not just the quality is not. 06:27:20.720 --> 06:27:24.480 Not behind the private door of the apartment. 06:27:24.640 --> 06:27:26.480 It mostly relies on the outside. 06:27:26.560 --> 06:27:31.720 And for this we have designed also other instruments that put housing in the middle 06:27:31.800 --> 06:27:36.320 of the climate shift, that it's in the urban realm. 06:27:37.440 --> 06:27:40.240 Before we go further, I must ask you. 06:27:40.320 --> 06:27:44.880 I just want to ask you to make the comment to one slide which was 06:27:45.520 --> 06:27:50.360 in the very beginning, this, in fact, it looks like slums. 06:27:50.440 --> 06:27:53.280 And we recognize during our works 06:27:53.680 --> 06:27:57.720 in a housing and urban work group 06:27:57.800 --> 06:28:02.960 that such districts even exists. 06:28:03.440 --> 06:28:06.400 It refers unfortunately to your town. Clu. 06:28:06.480 --> 06:28:06.960 Yeah. 06:28:08.000 --> 06:28:09.040 Can you comment it? 06:28:10.000 --> 06:28:10.440 Yes. 06:28:10.520 --> 06:28:14.360 Actually, the situations are so diverse and we have to see this through 06:28:14.440 --> 06:28:16.160 the eyes of the community. Community as well. 06:28:16.240 --> 06:28:21.840 We cannot just see that and declare a neighborhood slum or a neighborhood 06:28:21.920 --> 06:28:25.800 luxury, because it's not only related to the prices that you have shown 06:28:25.880 --> 06:28:28.840 in the beginning, it's also related to the local culture 06:28:28.920 --> 06:28:30.640 and how this community functions. 06:28:31.040 --> 06:28:35.520 And I'm sure that our colleague has seen in Vietnam different situations than 06:28:35.600 --> 06:28:38.880 Europe that are both quality, even if they look so differently. 06:28:39.120 --> 06:28:42.600 And with this landscape in mind, 06:28:42.680 --> 06:28:45.920 we have to look for the right criteria, the right, right moment, 06:28:47.360 --> 06:28:53.200 and to see that architecture competitions and urban competitions as well, 06:28:53.840 --> 06:28:56.720 and public procurement are negotiation tools. 06:28:56.800 --> 06:29:01.720 Negotiation Tools with the parts of society that are always acting 06:29:01.800 --> 06:29:03.920 and looking very carefully upon housing. 06:29:04.000 --> 06:29:08.480 It's the governance, the administration is the community, it's the professions, 06:29:08.880 --> 06:29:14.200 the industries, the financers, and also the ones who make everything flow. 06:29:14.360 --> 06:29:16.840 So they all use and look at these tools together. 06:29:17.080 --> 06:29:19.400 It's not just the saying of. 06:29:19.560 --> 06:29:23.600 Of a city architect or of a mayor or a banker or who else? 06:29:23.680 --> 06:29:24.040 No. 06:29:24.360 --> 06:29:31.240 Yeah, but I was told once that you can't make architecture without policy. 06:29:31.720 --> 06:29:35.560 And we are in a beautiful city. 06:29:35.640 --> 06:29:38.600 Thanks Of Piotr and this city. 06:29:38.760 --> 06:29:42.040 I think it's quite European one. When you. 06:29:42.440 --> 06:29:44.120 I hope you found it like that. 06:29:44.680 --> 06:29:50.840 And Piotr, that's a question because we talked about 06:29:52.040 --> 06:29:55.600 tools about the future of housing, 06:29:55.680 --> 06:29:59.480 but in fact, can you make us familiar 06:30:00.600 --> 06:30:07.160 what tools and actions you use in ink dice to maintain quality in urban housing? 06:30:07.320 --> 06:30:13.560 What's a strategy has Gdansk implemented to implement this quality? 06:30:13.640 --> 06:30:16.360 We can see. Well, first of all, define quality. 06:30:16.440 --> 06:30:19.000 I mean, it's a basic kind of question, I think. 06:30:19.320 --> 06:30:22.600 And whether we speak about the architectural quality, it's one thing. 06:30:22.680 --> 06:30:27.240 And whether we speak about the composition of the community, it's a different thing. 06:30:27.320 --> 06:30:30.200 And I think the quality translates into both of these aspects. 06:30:31.240 --> 06:30:33.680 And also we have to understand the context. 06:30:33.760 --> 06:30:37.520 If you are speaking about the private projects, which means the private projects 06:30:37.600 --> 06:30:40.200 developed by the private developers for the private buyers, 06:30:40.440 --> 06:30:43.880 it's a different story than when you are talking about the projects which.