WEBVTT 00:00:00.800 --> 00:00:02.400 OK good morning. 00:00:02.480 --> 00:00:07.640 Yes, well, today I can't really roll the sleeves, but they will 00:00:07.640 --> 00:00:10.480 do it symbolically. 00:00:12.040 --> 00:00:12.640 Welcome. 00:00:12.720 --> 00:00:18.120 Second day is always a bit more difficult to fill up the room that 00:00:18.120 --> 00:00:19.000 early in the morning. 00:00:19.840 --> 00:00:23.520 So thank you for the brave ones to be here already. 00:00:24.720 --> 00:00:31.080 We are slightly behind in time, so I will cut see my twenty 00:00:31.080 --> 00:00:33.640 minute introduction to one minute. 00:00:36.640 --> 00:00:40.480 Well, I mean I I don't need any introduction and Janet actually 00:00:40.480 --> 00:00:41.680 also not really. 00:00:41.880 --> 00:00:45.560 But nevertheless, Janet, you are the first speaker. 00:00:45.560 --> 00:00:48.560 She also very brave, of course. 00:00:50.600 --> 00:00:57.680 And the only thing I I can say is that you are now the immediate 00:00:57.680 --> 00:01:01.600 past president of the European Council of Spatial Planners, 00:01:02.640 --> 00:01:05.960 but also the visiting professor in Northern Ireland. 00:01:06.240 --> 00:01:08.320 So I would say the floor is yours. 00:01:08.560 --> 00:01:08.840 Thank you. 00:01:14.200 --> 00:01:14.440 Right. 00:01:14.440 --> 00:01:15.360 Thank you very much. 00:01:15.440 --> 00:01:16.760 Could I have my slides? 00:01:17.920 --> 00:01:18.440 Thank you. 00:01:22.760 --> 00:01:26.760 Today I'm going to tell you a story I'm not going to use. 00:01:26.800 --> 00:01:28.160 There'll be barely. 00:01:28.160 --> 00:01:32.200 This is early in the morning and there are barely any words on 00:01:32.200 --> 00:01:33.120 any slides. 00:01:33.440 --> 00:01:36.480 It's just a story and it's a picture book story. 00:01:36.720 --> 00:01:40.200 So that'll make you all feel a bit better about arriving at nine 00:01:40.200 --> 00:01:42.440 o'clock And thank you very much for being here. 00:01:42.640 --> 00:01:43.320 Thanks. 00:01:44.480 --> 00:01:50.840 This was when I saw from Piotr that the theme of this conference 00:01:50.840 --> 00:01:52.160 was transforming cities. 00:01:52.680 --> 00:01:56.000 The one thing about a town planner that's different to an architect 00:01:56.000 --> 00:01:59.960 is that we seldom get to see the things that we plan. 00:02:00.360 --> 00:02:04.440 If you planned a new town in nineteen forty six in england it's 00:02:04.440 --> 00:02:07.240 unlikely that you'd ever see it fully built because you wouldn't 00:02:07.240 --> 00:02:12.280 live long enough But in Bristol we started with this project 00:02:12.800 --> 00:02:17.360 to transform the old docks of Bristol forty years ago now. 00:02:17.800 --> 00:02:21.720 And pretty well every planner in Bristol has worked on it, including 00:02:21.720 --> 00:02:21.960 me. 00:02:21.960 --> 00:02:25.640 Everybody has had some work in Bristol on this. 00:02:25.880 --> 00:02:29.440 So I thought, if I can tell you, because I can reflect on some things, 00:02:29.760 --> 00:02:31.480 and it isn't always all good, is it? 00:02:31.560 --> 00:02:34.760 We have to be able to learn from mistakes, and that's important. 00:02:35.160 --> 00:02:37.760 So this is the story of Bristol. 00:02:38.080 --> 00:02:42.640 It's the story of transforming derelict docks, unused docks 00:02:43.400 --> 00:02:45.560 in a city in Bristol. 00:02:45.880 --> 00:02:49.680 And in comparison to some things I heard yesterday, this is not 00:02:49.680 --> 00:02:54.160 particularly academic talk, Neither is it a very big city in 00:02:54.160 --> 00:02:57.920 comparison to what of places that we know about South, First 00:02:57.920 --> 00:02:58.800 of all was Bristol. 00:02:59.000 --> 00:03:01.200 Well, I know there's one person in the audience from Bristol, 00:03:01.320 --> 00:03:02.560 he knows where Bristol is. 00:03:02.760 --> 00:03:06.440 So Bristol is on the West side of England. 00:03:06.760 --> 00:03:09.840 And actually the port was inland. 00:03:10.280 --> 00:03:13.440 And because the port was inland, the bigger ships couldn't get 00:03:13.440 --> 00:03:14.000 along there. 00:03:14.120 --> 00:03:19.840 So the port moved out ten kilometres to the West Coast and therefore 00:03:20.000 --> 00:03:22.600 the the city docks began to decline. 00:03:23.160 --> 00:03:29.040 But Bristol is built on the port, it's built on Sherry wine, the 00:03:29.040 --> 00:03:32.400 importing of wine, Sherry and tobacco and slavery. 00:03:32.400 --> 00:03:36.360 But we don't mention that, but that that was what was Bristol 00:03:36.360 --> 00:03:37.000 was built on. 00:03:37.160 --> 00:03:39.440 So its maritime history is really important. 00:03:41.240 --> 00:03:45.040 So this is a very interesting map and this is one of the this is 00:03:45.040 --> 00:03:49.160 the earliest plan for Bristol and the only copy of it decorates 00:03:49.160 --> 00:03:51.320 the wall of a pub by the docks. 00:03:51.520 --> 00:03:54.800 So I went down to the pub took a photo of the wall and what you can 00:03:54.800 --> 00:03:58.160 see here is that Bristol about something like somewhere we saw 00:03:58.280 --> 00:03:58.800 yesterday. 00:03:58.800 --> 00:04:03.160 It may have been Budapest was it or I can't remember but we saw 00:04:03.160 --> 00:04:06.880 another place yesterday which had two rivers really. 00:04:07.040 --> 00:04:12.520 So the southern river here is the the route rerouted river from 00:04:12.520 --> 00:04:16.400 many years ago and the other bit is the dockland part and the docks 00:04:16.400 --> 00:04:21.120 have been locked in now to keep it so that the ships can can could 00:04:21.120 --> 00:04:21.880 come in there. 00:04:22.480 --> 00:04:27.320 As I said this was all taken away in nineteen fifty eight nobody 00:04:27.320 --> 00:04:30.120 anticipated it would be anything other than industry So you 00:04:30.120 --> 00:04:33.040 can see there's not much allocation on this ancient plan, it's 00:04:33.040 --> 00:04:34.040 just for industry. 00:04:34.160 --> 00:04:38.520 No one thought that in what seventy years time life would become 00:04:38.520 --> 00:04:39.560 very, very different. 00:04:40.040 --> 00:04:45.120 So bristol 's very famous as well for concorde Concorde was built 00:04:45.280 --> 00:04:47.880 in Bristol as well as in France. 00:04:48.200 --> 00:04:52.240 So Sherry wine docks and tobacco warehouses. 00:04:52.440 --> 00:04:55.960 Now look at the tobacco warehouses, they are enormous and there 00:04:55.960 --> 00:04:59.640 are huge tobacco warehouses in Bristol creating different 00:04:59.640 --> 00:05:01.680 kinds of opportunities which we'll see. 00:05:02.320 --> 00:05:05.600 But during the seventies to the nineties lot of decline as you 00:05:05.600 --> 00:05:08.120 can imagine, especially from Docklands. 00:05:08.400 --> 00:05:14.640 I think the very last dockside in in this old dock left in about 00:05:14.640 --> 00:05:20.560 nineteen eighty six moved out It was a sand dock and left tons 00:05:20.560 --> 00:05:23.320 and tons of derelict land all around the river. 00:05:25.600 --> 00:05:30.920 Very interestingly this photograph is an early is a photograph 00:05:31.080 --> 00:05:32.360 of a a car park. 00:05:32.880 --> 00:05:36.320 So whereas now if you go to any waterside location anywhere in 00:05:36.320 --> 00:05:41.800 the world, you will see very, very high value land, very special 00:05:41.840 --> 00:05:46.840 real estate, new buildings, high value, but they built a car 00:05:46.840 --> 00:05:47.360 park. 00:05:47.920 --> 00:05:50.640 No one 's been brave enough to knock this car park down but it would 00:05:50.640 --> 00:05:54.320 be the best thing that could happen So this car park is right opposite 00:05:54.400 --> 00:05:58.600 the beginning of dockland regeneration, an art centre and cinema 00:05:58.800 --> 00:06:03.160 across the water from this, but the car park 's still there Not 00:06:03.160 --> 00:06:06.280 a lot you can do with this car park other than knock it down, but 00:06:06.280 --> 00:06:10.280 this would be very good quality housing. 00:06:10.760 --> 00:06:14.960 So the council, and this is a lesson I think for everybody that 00:06:16.120 --> 00:06:18.360 where when you they they started with this and they said, well, 00:06:18.400 --> 00:06:19.960 where do we get our inspiration from. 00:06:20.080 --> 00:06:22.280 So they started visiting different places. 00:06:22.440 --> 00:06:25.880 Well, Baltimore in America was one of the first places to regenerate 00:06:25.880 --> 00:06:27.840 its docks for recreational purposes. 00:06:28.040 --> 00:06:30.640 If you look in the literature, there's an awful lot about Baltimore 00:06:30.640 --> 00:06:34.360 and Boston and it kind of set the way in some respects long before 00:06:34.360 --> 00:06:34.840 this. 00:06:35.400 --> 00:06:37.680 But then there were really interesting things going on in other 00:06:37.680 --> 00:06:41.440 cities in the UK as well, Liverpool, which happens to be my home 00:06:41.440 --> 00:06:44.840 city, It's docks as well going into decline because it's on the 00:06:44.840 --> 00:06:49.200 West Coast of England And here, you know, very famous building 00:06:49.200 --> 00:06:53.600 on the dock side of Liverpool, the so called liver building And 00:06:53.800 --> 00:06:57.040 the key thing about Liverpool is that it was led by a planner. 00:06:57.360 --> 00:07:01.520 There was even discussion in the Parliament of the UK talking 00:07:01.520 --> 00:07:05.160 about how could this planner possibly think Liverpool will 00:07:05.200 --> 00:07:11.200 ever become a fantastic opportunity for recreation and tourists? 00:07:11.320 --> 00:07:14.040 Who would want to go to Liverpool derelict docks? 00:07:14.320 --> 00:07:18.000 Well, I can tell you now that during the Eurovision Song Contest 00:07:18.160 --> 00:07:21.240 which was held in Liverpool, it raised something like fifty 00:07:21.240 --> 00:07:26.280 eight million profit for the city just in one week So it's been 00:07:26.280 --> 00:07:26.960 fantastic. 00:07:27.120 --> 00:07:28.040 So a planner. 00:07:29.160 --> 00:07:33.040 liverpool 's big mistake Well, it had all these fantastic buildings. 00:07:33.040 --> 00:07:37.400 It was a World Heritage, UNESCO World Heritage site first mistake, 00:07:37.520 --> 00:07:38.320 it lost it. 00:07:38.520 --> 00:07:41.800 Liverpool got too cocky and Liverpool started allowing all 00:07:41.800 --> 00:07:44.920 sorts of really quite inappropriate buildings, not least of 00:07:44.920 --> 00:07:46.240 all that black one on the right. 00:07:46.520 --> 00:07:47.040 I can't. 00:07:47.160 --> 00:07:48.400 I'm not going to pretend. 00:07:48.400 --> 00:07:49.360 It's all fantastic. 00:07:49.360 --> 00:07:53.080 Liverpool is fantastic place, but we've made some mistakes. 00:07:53.240 --> 00:07:56.440 So if you look at the lower picture, you can see how the skyline 00:07:56.440 --> 00:07:59.600 had changed and you can just see the Liva building. 00:07:59.600 --> 00:08:04.080 The three major big maritime buildings are now dwarfed by towers. 00:08:04.520 --> 00:08:09.000 Towers, I won't say too much, but towers can be the scourge of 00:08:09.000 --> 00:08:09.880 the modern city. 00:08:11.280 --> 00:08:14.640 And of course what was going on in London, well, towers, but London 00:08:14.640 --> 00:08:18.040 had a great big involvement, big objection from people. 00:08:18.120 --> 00:08:20.160 So a lot of people involvement in London. 00:08:20.320 --> 00:08:23.120 There was a people 's plan for the royal docks of london and of 00:08:23.120 --> 00:08:26.320 course the derelict docks of london extend for miles and miles 00:08:26.320 --> 00:08:31.000 and miles and therefore from finished So what do you start? 00:08:31.000 --> 00:08:33.440 So you go off to Baltimore, Liverpool, Boston, wherever you 00:08:33.440 --> 00:08:35.840 want and then you come back and you say, gosh, we need a plan. 00:08:36.280 --> 00:08:41.160 Well, I have got bookshelves of plans of the docks of Bristol. 00:08:41.400 --> 00:08:42.720 There is a city docks plan. 00:08:42.720 --> 00:08:48.360 I just couldn't find it, but they made a city docks plan and then 00:08:48.720 --> 00:08:52.960 each part of the docks has got different plans for it and it's 00:08:52.960 --> 00:08:54.640 evolved incrementally. 00:08:55.120 --> 00:08:57.440 It we've we do not have master plans. 00:08:57.560 --> 00:09:00.800 We did not make one big master plan for the docks of Bristol. 00:09:00.920 --> 00:09:02.600 That is not how planning works. 00:09:02.840 --> 00:09:07.600 So we have lots of different plans and our plans are based on policies. 00:09:07.800 --> 00:09:11.640 They're very general, very policy driven and that's the only 00:09:11.640 --> 00:09:14.120 bit of academic thing I'm going to tell you about in a minute. 00:09:14.440 --> 00:09:18.200 So there are literally hundreds of plans for the Bristol docks 00:09:18.560 --> 00:09:22.720 of one kind or another, encouraging all sorts of investment. 00:09:23.720 --> 00:09:27.800 So how do we prepare a plan, right? 00:09:27.800 --> 00:09:29.520 These were the objectives of the plan. 00:09:29.960 --> 00:09:34.840 So the objectives of the plan, this is my word, slide conservation, 00:09:35.000 --> 00:09:36.040 the history of the docks. 00:09:36.160 --> 00:09:39.000 I think maintaining history and keeping in mind the culture 00:09:39.040 --> 00:09:42.080 is really important for all of us when we're doing any kind of 00:09:42.080 --> 00:09:43.400 regeneration project. 00:09:43.840 --> 00:09:48.240 Piotch pointed some of this out to us last night in our tour of 00:09:48.240 --> 00:09:52.120 the city here in Gdansk that you know, the the history of the city 00:09:52.280 --> 00:09:54.280 is of vital importance to retain. 00:09:54.480 --> 00:09:59.200 So conserving old buildings, tourism became a very it is now 00:09:59.200 --> 00:10:01.720 a big thing all over the place, everywhere, every city. 00:10:01.880 --> 00:10:06.160 So tourism was important not just for visitors but local people 00:10:06.160 --> 00:10:08.680 as well, Recreation for local people. 00:10:09.200 --> 00:10:12.000 A big thing was walkability and access to the water. 00:10:12.320 --> 00:10:15.960 So when you have dockland uses, many people can't walk around 00:10:15.960 --> 00:10:18.200 those places because they're private land maybe. 00:10:18.360 --> 00:10:23.840 But in any event that's now been that has now been made, achieved 00:10:24.000 --> 00:10:27.800 All around the docks of Bristol there is a walkway around the 00:10:27.800 --> 00:10:32.320 whole dock for several kilometres all the way round. 00:10:32.840 --> 00:10:35.120 The quality of the public realm is important. 00:10:35.160 --> 00:10:36.640 Some mistakes have been made there. 00:10:36.640 --> 00:10:41.800 I'll show you mixed use development is key to this is pretty normal 00:10:41.800 --> 00:10:44.240 in the UK We don't have zoning plans. 00:10:44.360 --> 00:10:48.360 We allow mixed use development We don't have rigid master plans. 00:10:48.720 --> 00:10:52.200 There's been no computers involved in this dockland regeneration 00:10:52.200 --> 00:10:55.480 and redevelopment because it all started before people doing 00:10:55.480 --> 00:10:56.640 lovely CAD drawings. 00:10:56.840 --> 00:10:59.040 It's with it was nothing like that at all. 00:10:59.240 --> 00:11:03.080 These were the objectives Public involvement 's really interesting 00:11:03.200 --> 00:11:06.160 because as the docks have been regenerated more and more people 00:11:06.160 --> 00:11:09.840 are living by the docks and more and more people are living on 00:11:09.840 --> 00:11:13.360 the docks in boats So we've got a very big boat dwelling community 00:11:13.360 --> 00:11:16.840 now and these all add to the richness of these docks of Bristol 00:11:17.200 --> 00:11:18.520 and it's good, it's great. 00:11:19.080 --> 00:11:20.960 So it all started with a pub. 00:11:21.160 --> 00:11:24.080 So this was the very beginning, this derelict. 00:11:24.280 --> 00:11:25.760 Well, it won't derelict, but the pub. 00:11:26.240 --> 00:11:29.280 And they said let's have a pub here. 00:11:29.280 --> 00:11:32.400 We turn this old building into a pub, Very successful, still a pub. 00:11:32.840 --> 00:11:35.360 And then the maritime history is important. 00:11:35.600 --> 00:11:39.520 Now in Bristol there was two very, very important ships which 00:11:39.680 --> 00:11:41.440 live in the docks permanently. 00:11:41.600 --> 00:11:45.280 One of them is bottom left, the SS great britain the first ever 00:11:45.280 --> 00:11:49.720 steamship built by a very famous engineer called brunel And 00:11:49.720 --> 00:11:50.080 it was. 00:11:50.240 --> 00:11:55.040 It sank in the South Atlantic and was brought home ceremoniously 00:11:55.200 --> 00:11:58.600 in the nineteen seventies to be regenerated If ever you go to 00:11:58.600 --> 00:12:00.280 Bristol, this is the place to go. 00:12:00.400 --> 00:12:01.600 It's truly amazing. 00:12:02.240 --> 00:12:04.680 And then Bristol thinks that they discovered America. 00:12:04.920 --> 00:12:08.200 OK never mind Christopher Columbus, John, I expect there's 00:12:08.200 --> 00:12:10.960 a a Polish person who discovered America as well. 00:12:11.280 --> 00:12:15.360 But Bristol thinks that John Cabot discovered America. 00:12:15.560 --> 00:12:20.760 So that was a a complete replica bottom right of the boat that 00:12:21.400 --> 00:12:25.320 John Cabot sailed in to America and it went there on the four hundredth 00:12:25.320 --> 00:12:27.800 anniversary fourteen ninety seven or something. 00:12:28.320 --> 00:12:33.120 So as you can see the little boat ferries throughout the docks 00:12:33.120 --> 00:12:37.360 are now and lot of recreation historic ship I've told you about 00:12:37.560 --> 00:12:41.880 it is spectacular and that this has evolved over forty years. 00:12:42.200 --> 00:12:45.680 They started to regenerate it, They've rebuilt all the interiors 00:12:45.680 --> 00:12:49.920 of it and it is the most fantastic museum now and it's certainly 00:12:49.920 --> 00:12:53.160 something to be very proud of, to see this incredible boat which 00:12:53.160 --> 00:12:57.240 went from here to Melbourne and places like that, warehouses. 00:12:57.760 --> 00:13:01.720 It's really important to retain the kind of scale and massing 00:13:01.800 --> 00:13:06.840 of buildings that are alongside the water and warehouses were 00:13:06.840 --> 00:13:08.040 mainly retained. 00:13:08.160 --> 00:13:12.000 Some weren't controversially, but all of these have been converted 00:13:12.000 --> 00:13:16.600 into housing and offices and they line the the banks of the rivers 00:13:16.800 --> 00:13:17.720 and the old docks. 00:13:18.360 --> 00:13:21.000 This is one of the most controversial sites. 00:13:21.120 --> 00:13:23.400 This is a huge tobacco warehouse. 00:13:23.560 --> 00:13:26.320 So Imperial Tobacco, one of the biggest tobacco companies in 00:13:26.320 --> 00:13:30.560 the world, owned many, many buildings in Bristol and had its 00:13:30.760 --> 00:13:31.840 headquarters there. 00:13:32.360 --> 00:13:35.400 And I actually did some work for them to work out what we would 00:13:35.400 --> 00:13:39.800 do with this particular site when the whether we should even 00:13:39.800 --> 00:13:42.400 demolish these these awful warehouses or not. 00:13:42.800 --> 00:13:47.200 And it was decided that we would and when we went to Imperial Tobacco 00:13:47.200 --> 00:13:50.120 to discuss round a table with them, in the middle of the table 00:13:50.120 --> 00:13:51.200 there were always free cigarettes. 00:13:51.200 --> 00:13:54.400 You could just smoke as much as you liked them and all the workers 00:13:54.400 --> 00:13:57.640 got free cigarettes and free cigars to have with their lunch. 00:13:57.960 --> 00:14:01.440 It was really quite an incredible encouragement to addiction. 00:14:01.640 --> 00:14:05.080 Quite interesting, I thought I didn't smoke. 00:14:06.600 --> 00:14:07.960 So anyway, off we go. 00:14:08.120 --> 00:14:15.600 So these were blown up in the end and not five at all sixteen So 00:14:15.720 --> 00:14:19.080 these were blown up in the end to make a very, very big site and 00:14:19.080 --> 00:14:21.120 a very controversial site for it. 00:14:21.360 --> 00:14:24.080 And this is what it came out in the end as. 00:14:24.760 --> 00:14:27.920 But there's a lot of controversy about this because of the shape 00:14:27.920 --> 00:14:32.320 of that building and it was round. 00:14:32.320 --> 00:14:33.600 It didn't sit very well. 00:14:33.760 --> 00:14:37.680 So I want to talk a little bit about that because when you think 00:14:37.680 --> 00:14:40.640 about what might happen in forty years time, be careful not to 00:14:40.640 --> 00:14:42.360 build things that might become redundant. 00:14:42.480 --> 00:14:46.680 This building forty years on, very controversial is now derelict. 00:14:47.120 --> 00:14:50.640 Many cranes, I've just popped in the grants paint cranes as well 00:14:50.640 --> 00:14:54.840 because you know the symbols and these are all historic monuments. 00:14:55.600 --> 00:15:00.160 We've got an iconic bridge as well, not quite as iconic as to the 00:15:00.160 --> 00:15:04.520 Erasmus Brooke in Rotterdam, which opened up the whole South 00:15:04.520 --> 00:15:07.160 side of Rotterdam in a very spectacular fashion. 00:15:08.000 --> 00:15:11.600 But nevertheless, the bridge is is is good. 00:15:12.480 --> 00:15:14.680 Dockside housing is very popular now. 00:15:14.720 --> 00:15:19.200 The whole of the docks, many houses all the way around, some good, 00:15:19.320 --> 00:15:21.080 some bad, not many high. 00:15:21.080 --> 00:15:24.720 This is the highest we've gone and some of these are very well built. 00:15:24.880 --> 00:15:27.200 The top ones aren't so well built. 00:15:27.320 --> 00:15:30.120 You have to be careful with the quality of the building as well. 00:15:30.800 --> 00:15:32.080 We made some mistakes. 00:15:32.200 --> 00:15:33.320 This is a big mistake. 00:15:33.360 --> 00:15:38.840 Suburban building, suburban housing in the on on the dockside. 00:15:38.960 --> 00:15:44.440 Not not right, but that'll go I'm sure in twenty years time. 00:15:45.360 --> 00:15:47.960 But we've built a new street recently and this is really popular. 00:15:47.960 --> 00:15:49.040 Why don't we build streets? 00:15:49.160 --> 00:15:51.320 Why are we building towers and no streets? 00:15:51.320 --> 00:15:53.640 People like a street with shops and cafes along it. 00:15:53.640 --> 00:15:55.160 Why don't we just build like that? 00:15:55.240 --> 00:15:56.200 It's worked in the past. 00:15:56.200 --> 00:15:57.320 Why can't it work now? 00:15:57.520 --> 00:16:02.160 This is hugely successful for small businesses, cafes, shops 00:16:02.640 --> 00:16:04.680 and don't follow the fashion in building. 00:16:04.680 --> 00:16:06.120 This is big fashion in England. 00:16:06.120 --> 00:16:07.680 It's horrible cladding this will. 00:16:07.840 --> 00:16:09.080 This won't last either. 00:16:09.240 --> 00:16:11.440 It is truly a an awful building. 00:16:12.760 --> 00:16:13.840 Events are important. 00:16:13.840 --> 00:16:16.560 There's been plenty of events all around the docks and quite 00:16:16.560 --> 00:16:19.400 interesting big festivals for tourism. 00:16:19.520 --> 00:16:22.320 All these things add to the use of the docks. 00:16:22.320 --> 00:16:26.760 In Bristol there have been a lot of European designations for 00:16:26.800 --> 00:16:32.040 cities and we've never been a City of Culture, but Bristol, these 00:16:32.040 --> 00:16:33.800 European designations are good. 00:16:34.240 --> 00:16:36.520 And I've told you about the Eurovision Song Contest. 00:16:36.680 --> 00:16:40.120 But Bristol became something called a Green Capital in twenty 00:16:40.120 --> 00:16:44.920 fifteen and it built on that and also brought a great much more 00:16:44.920 --> 00:16:48.680 investment to the docks investment to bristol lots of different 00:16:48.680 --> 00:16:53.640 partnerships of partnerships important who you work with And 00:16:54.680 --> 00:16:57.680 we got the green city thing because there was a lot of greenery. 00:16:57.680 --> 00:17:01.960 We brought the greenery and along the Riverside, local markets 00:17:01.960 --> 00:17:07.320 nearby, community ownership of the ferries, all these things 00:17:08.000 --> 00:17:09.600 were brought about to help. 00:17:09.600 --> 00:17:13.760 We've even got a sort of money system in Bristol which works for some. 00:17:13.960 --> 00:17:15.280 It's a compact city. 00:17:15.800 --> 00:17:19.480 It which is really important to me as a planner housing. 00:17:19.480 --> 00:17:22.720 We've got a lot of housing on brownfield land and we've got good 00:17:22.720 --> 00:17:25.640 recycling in Bristol, sixty eight percent actually sixty eight 00:17:25.640 --> 00:17:30.080 now not forty eight finally lead ship This is important because 00:17:30.080 --> 00:17:31.080 planners can lead. 00:17:31.240 --> 00:17:34.880 We had an excellent mayor in Bristol who was we were very lucky 00:17:34.880 --> 00:17:36.680 to have an architect planner as a mayor. 00:17:37.280 --> 00:17:41.440 And when he resigned or was elected out, we got a bad mayor. 00:17:41.960 --> 00:17:45.240 And we've got a bad man now who's building, who has no vision. 00:17:45.360 --> 00:17:49.040 He just is building towers, random towers all over the city. 00:17:49.480 --> 00:17:54.120 It's he was so bad that when the city elected these mayors, we 00:17:54.120 --> 00:17:56.200 elected to have a mayor who's not. 00:17:56.800 --> 00:17:59.280 It isn't usual for every city to have this kind of mayor. 00:17:59.280 --> 00:18:06.760 In the UK when we elected a mayor, we the city is just recently 00:18:06.880 --> 00:18:10.560 elected not to have a mayor at all, because no mayor is better 00:18:10.560 --> 00:18:11.480 than a bad mayor. 00:18:11.640 --> 00:18:13.440 So we won't have a mayor from next year. 00:18:13.520 --> 00:18:16.040 We'll just have a committee and a cabinet. 00:18:16.360 --> 00:18:20.480 So in Freiburg, in Germany, you'll see the key to success is leadership, 00:18:20.880 --> 00:18:22.880 and leadership can be by planners. 00:18:23.040 --> 00:18:25.360 And I think that's what we do. 00:18:25.920 --> 00:18:27.480 These are my final reflections. 00:18:27.560 --> 00:18:28.880 I think I've been through them. 00:18:29.040 --> 00:18:31.960 I won't go through them again, but I think involving citizens 00:18:31.960 --> 00:18:33.000 is really important. 00:18:33.360 --> 00:18:38.320 And the ECTP of course is we have a manifesto of participatory 00:18:38.320 --> 00:18:39.000 democracy. 00:18:39.160 --> 00:18:42.560 So please read that as a kind of guidelines because we can all 00:18:42.560 --> 00:18:45.720 follow that and make for much, much better places. 00:18:45.920 --> 00:18:47.480 Thank you all very much. 00:18:49.880 --> 00:18:50.440 Well, thank you. 00:18:50.480 --> 00:18:54.760 I think this was a very, very interesting start, full of images, 00:18:55.160 --> 00:19:00.680 full of true lived experiences, and with some reminders at the 00:19:00.680 --> 00:19:06.480 end that planning is about politics, but politics can change 00:19:06.480 --> 00:19:08.240 for the better or the worse. 00:19:08.600 --> 00:19:11.720 It resonates to me to some other cities in Europe. 00:19:12.120 --> 00:19:15.920 I won't go into detail, but you might have that same experience 00:19:16.600 --> 00:19:21.760 and we just have to muddle through these bad political times, 00:19:21.760 --> 00:19:26.040 say, not give up and stand on our feet. 00:19:26.600 --> 00:19:27.640 So thank you for this. 00:19:28.080 --> 00:19:31.200 Also for say staying within your time. 00:19:31.200 --> 00:19:35.960 We started a little bit delayed and I won't ask the next speaker 00:19:35.960 --> 00:19:38.320 to catch up that time, but to stay within the time. 00:19:39.400 --> 00:19:44.000 mister Adam Erdem Airbus. 00:19:44.320 --> 00:19:44.560 Yes. 00:19:44.920 --> 00:19:46.640 Not sure if I expressed it. 00:19:46.640 --> 00:19:54.320 Well, the floor is yours, you are see from Myanmar seen on 00:19:54.320 --> 00:19:58.880 Fine Arts University and you will talk about the long title that 00:19:58.880 --> 00:19:59.760 is displayed there. 00:20:00.400 --> 00:20:03.800 So please, are you here? 00:20:03.960 --> 00:20:04.560 Are you over here? 00:20:04.560 --> 00:20:06.360 Sorry, sorry, I'm blinded by the item. 00:20:06.400 --> 00:20:07.400 Thank you very much. 00:20:08.080 --> 00:20:09.280 Another twenty minutes for you. 00:20:09.440 --> 00:20:10.760 Yeah, yeah, I go to the ten minutes. 00:20:10.880 --> 00:20:11.000 Yeah. 00:20:11.120 --> 00:20:12.360 OK OK Thank you very much. 00:20:12.920 --> 00:20:14.400 Good morning, ladies and gentlemen. 00:20:14.840 --> 00:20:17.800 First of all, I would like to express my special thanks to the 00:20:17.800 --> 00:20:22.640 city of Kodansk and also the city Architects office on behalf 00:20:22.640 --> 00:20:24.840 of the Piotr Lawrence and his team. 00:20:25.520 --> 00:20:30.200 I'm it's a great honour for me of being here and giving my presentation 00:20:30.200 --> 00:20:32.880 my case to distinguish audience. 00:20:33.920 --> 00:20:39.160 I will express my subject in this contents but I will not give 00:20:39.160 --> 00:20:42.440 the detail to you because it's a very huge city. 00:20:42.680 --> 00:20:45.800 It's not easy to explain in a twenty minutes, but I will give some 00:20:45.800 --> 00:20:50.120 remarks what's going on on the city 's development So this is 00:20:50.120 --> 00:20:52.640 the important things I would like to introduce you. 00:20:52.920 --> 00:20:56.520 What's going on on the urban land and how it develops and how the 00:20:56.600 --> 00:21:02.760 urban space producing the interesting things, the globalization 00:21:02.760 --> 00:21:06.680 and the structural change on the whole Europe and also the whole 00:21:06.680 --> 00:21:11.560 world influencing the Turkey after the nine eleven and after 00:21:11.560 --> 00:21:18.440 the some regional wars is reflecting to the our country very 00:21:18.520 --> 00:21:21.040 very much so This is the interesting things because the urban 00:21:21.040 --> 00:21:24.440 transformation in this process is the crucial issue for the 00:21:24.440 --> 00:21:25.440 urban planning agenda. 00:21:27.440 --> 00:21:32.480 Some some some important issues emerging to the urban land. 00:21:32.480 --> 00:21:36.520 The the one of them is the earthquake resistant urban space and 00:21:36.520 --> 00:21:39.560 the other one is the conservation of natural and historical 00:21:39.560 --> 00:21:43.000 and cultural heritage, rehabilitation, informal and low quality 00:21:43.000 --> 00:21:43.920 urban life. 00:21:44.160 --> 00:21:50.000 These are very crucial in our future and also in the ongoing process 00:21:50.920 --> 00:21:51.520 in the city. 00:21:51.680 --> 00:21:56.400 So, but the important things if you see the transformation in 00:21:56.400 --> 00:22:00.280 Turkey, it's only the focus on the physical regeneration of 00:22:00.280 --> 00:22:05.200 the area instead of regeneration the social or economical changes. 00:22:05.200 --> 00:22:09.120 But we know that it's affecting, affecting to the whole sectoral 00:22:09.440 --> 00:22:12.960 dimensions, but the important things in Turkey, it's only for 00:22:12.960 --> 00:22:15.400 the physical dimensions of the space. 00:22:17.360 --> 00:22:22.400 These are the seven interesting structural changes in in Turkey. 00:22:22.400 --> 00:22:26.480 This is interesting issue for us because it's affecting to the 00:22:26.480 --> 00:22:29.320 urban planning agenda in Istanbul and also the whole metropolitan 00:22:29.320 --> 00:22:30.200 cities in Turkey. 00:22:30.480 --> 00:22:34.400 The first one is the urban sprawl and you you can see that the industrialisation, 00:22:34.400 --> 00:22:37.160 renewal of historical areas, redevelopment of the brownfield 00:22:37.160 --> 00:22:37.880 areas like that. 00:22:38.120 --> 00:22:41.440 But these are the crucial issue what we are doing on the urban space. 00:22:41.440 --> 00:22:42.960 This is this is important. 00:22:44.680 --> 00:22:48.840 So but if you come to the Istanbul, three important things happening 00:22:48.880 --> 00:22:49.720 on the urban space. 00:22:49.720 --> 00:22:52.960 The first one is the central business district and the sub district 00:22:52.960 --> 00:22:57.040 of the area and how can we plan the central business district 00:22:57.040 --> 00:23:00.640 in the city in the true the sustainable way of thinking. 00:23:00.880 --> 00:23:03.840 The second one is the new corridors and the new development access 00:23:03.840 --> 00:23:05.800 emerging in the urban structure. 00:23:05.800 --> 00:23:07.320 These are very, very crucial. 00:23:07.320 --> 00:23:10.720 It's should be the matching with the metro lines and the transportation 00:23:10.720 --> 00:23:13.120 lines together but sometimes it's missing. 00:23:13.120 --> 00:23:14.360 It's our big mistake. 00:23:14.880 --> 00:23:18.040 And the third one is the regeneration in the residential areas. 00:23:18.040 --> 00:23:22.040 The residential areas is the planned areas and also the informal 00:23:22.040 --> 00:23:22.920 areas like that. 00:23:22.920 --> 00:23:26.880 But the regeneration process on the residential areas is a very 00:23:26.880 --> 00:23:33.720 crucial and very, very fresh agenda in in our case, yeah, I will 00:23:33.720 --> 00:23:37.240 give some five important dynamics on the city. 00:23:37.240 --> 00:23:39.920 The first one is the NIV public management model, because if 00:23:39.920 --> 00:23:42.520 you are living in the sixteen million people, you cannot manage 00:23:42.520 --> 00:23:43.920 with the master plan to the city. 00:23:44.200 --> 00:23:49.000 So how can you manage the city with the supplying with the especially 00:23:49.000 --> 00:23:52.560 for the urban facilities and also the public facilities, it's 00:23:52.560 --> 00:23:57.640 not easy to give all the facilities to the public in a in a one way. 00:23:57.880 --> 00:23:59.520 So you need different things. 00:24:00.080 --> 00:24:03.280 Istanbul is a very special city because the mayor of the city 00:24:03.440 --> 00:24:07.960 has got nearly thirty companies related with the municipality. 00:24:07.960 --> 00:24:11.080 These are very interesting and also we are making the PHDTS is 00:24:11.080 --> 00:24:11.400 nowadays. 00:24:11.400 --> 00:24:13.200 It's a crucial agenda for us. 00:24:13.200 --> 00:24:14.960 The second one is that earthquake risk. 00:24:15.560 --> 00:24:18.680 The Turkey is under the earthquake risk and also the Istanbul 00:24:18.680 --> 00:24:20.240 isn't on the under the earthquake risk. 00:24:20.240 --> 00:24:22.160 I will give some remarks a little bit later. 00:24:22.360 --> 00:24:23.840 The third one is the migration. 00:24:24.040 --> 00:24:28.640 Migration started near the fifties for the coming from the Anatolia 00:24:28.640 --> 00:24:30.080 to the Istanbul to the big city. 00:24:30.160 --> 00:24:33.080 But nowadays it's the international migration from the Surya 00:24:33.080 --> 00:24:37.080 or Ukraine or Russia or other countries like Afghanistan. 00:24:38.400 --> 00:24:41.760 And the one is the urban growth and the fifth one is the urban quality 00:24:41.760 --> 00:24:45.080 like traffic and it's some quality of life, environmental pollution, 00:24:45.080 --> 00:24:48.480 skyline to protection, the slight skyline of the historical 00:24:48.480 --> 00:24:49.320 towns like that. 00:24:50.280 --> 00:24:53.680 These three dimensions are reflecting the urban planning things. 00:24:53.920 --> 00:24:55.280 How can we combine with them? 00:24:55.280 --> 00:24:59.600 This one is the earthquake line on the bottom and the build up 00:24:59.600 --> 00:25:01.360 area and the natural thresholds. 00:25:01.800 --> 00:25:07.600 So if you make the combining with the build up area and the natural 00:25:07.880 --> 00:25:11.960 resources together, I mean the like a cooperation zone, not 00:25:11.960 --> 00:25:14.440 for the conflict zone under the earthquake. 00:25:14.440 --> 00:25:17.440 So how can you manage this combination? 00:25:17.440 --> 00:25:20.480 It's not easy to understand because of the earthquake decline, 00:25:20.480 --> 00:25:24.120 everybody wants to go up and also to go West and east. 00:25:24.120 --> 00:25:28.640 So the city sprawling city is growing and also developing. 00:25:28.640 --> 00:25:34.120 So this is a big dilemma, how can we manage with the plan, with 00:25:34.120 --> 00:25:36.720 the master plan so. 00:25:36.920 --> 00:25:39.760 But in this situation, the government decided that after the 00:25:39.760 --> 00:25:43.960 earthquake resistance, urbanization, the urban regeneration 00:25:43.960 --> 00:25:47.800 is the crucial issue for transforming the cities in every cities 00:25:47.800 --> 00:25:50.840 in Turkey, influenced by the urban regeneration process. 00:25:51.160 --> 00:25:58.720 So this is the this is the key world if I say the urban regeneration 00:25:58.720 --> 00:26:03.520 is a crucial agenda in our cities. 00:26:04.680 --> 00:26:06.320 So that's the that's the things. 00:26:06.840 --> 00:26:07.040 Yeah. 00:26:07.560 --> 00:26:11.440 If I come to the actors of the this process the the the central 00:26:11.440 --> 00:26:13.400 government is dominating the whole process. 00:26:13.400 --> 00:26:18.240 The mass Housing Authority we call Toki Turkey is the one of the 00:26:18.240 --> 00:26:22.280 leader of the producing the housing in the in the process. 00:26:22.280 --> 00:26:26.200 So this is this is the interesting things and also the other central 00:26:26.200 --> 00:26:30.680 government facilities like the privatization authority influencing 00:26:30.680 --> 00:26:32.480 the process. 00:26:34.080 --> 00:26:39.280 Yeah and others Minister of urbanization and minister of culture 00:26:39.280 --> 00:26:42.800 and tourism and the local municipalities is more passive but 00:26:42.880 --> 00:26:46.640 it's also dominating the process and the last one is the real 00:26:46.640 --> 00:26:47.520 estate agencies. 00:26:47.520 --> 00:26:50.320 So it's a public private partnership as you understand is the 00:26:50.320 --> 00:26:52.320 crucial process on this one. 00:26:52.320 --> 00:26:55.560 And also some agreements between the central government authorities 00:26:55.560 --> 00:26:58.360 and the municipalities and also the real estate agencies comes 00:26:58.360 --> 00:27:02.240 together and they make some special project and the project 00:27:02.240 --> 00:27:05.400 based development on this process the they are writing the some 00:27:05.400 --> 00:27:09.800 regulations on the project and the beside the plan they make 00:27:09.800 --> 00:27:12.240 this some different projects on the area. 00:27:13.320 --> 00:27:16.720 Yeah the legislative forms after the two thousand and you can 00:27:16.720 --> 00:27:20.800 see the sum some of them it's they've changed the all the legislative 00:27:20.800 --> 00:27:24.320 things and it's related with the directly with the central government 00:27:24.320 --> 00:27:27.240 authorities and after the two thousand after the two thousand 00:27:27.240 --> 00:27:31.960 you can see more urban regeneration legislative things it's 00:27:32.160 --> 00:27:34.400 dominating the urban planning process. 00:27:35.320 --> 00:27:39.760 So we have six different process in the urban regeneration things. 00:27:39.760 --> 00:27:43.720 I will explain some some of them and also I will not give the detail 00:27:43.720 --> 00:27:47.760 of the process but I will give some pictures, some interesting 00:27:47.760 --> 00:27:51.800 pictures, some images to you what you are going on, what's going 00:27:51.800 --> 00:27:53.600 on on the urban area. 00:27:53.640 --> 00:27:56.160 The first, the first one is the informal housing preventing 00:27:56.160 --> 00:28:00.280 zones, the renewal zones on the historical part, disaster risky 00:28:00.280 --> 00:28:03.760 zones, urban regeneration zones related with the municipality 00:28:03.760 --> 00:28:07.480 law, the the construction law is dominating the whole city in 00:28:07.480 --> 00:28:11.120 the metropolitan zones in in Turkey and the zone specific law, 00:28:11.160 --> 00:28:12.840 it's very, very interesting things. 00:28:12.840 --> 00:28:16.600 In our case, it's a project based development under the central 00:28:16.600 --> 00:28:22.200 government producing, yeah, the informal housing like that. 00:28:22.880 --> 00:28:26.640 This is the first picture is showing the before and the after 00:28:26.640 --> 00:28:30.120 the plan after the construction, it looks like the the second 00:28:30.120 --> 00:28:30.280 one. 00:28:30.280 --> 00:28:34.880 So we have the some problems with the first picture and also we 00:28:34.880 --> 00:28:39.480 have the more problems than the first picture in the second one. 00:28:39.480 --> 00:28:43.880 So this is, this is the very interesting process it's going on. 00:28:45.560 --> 00:28:48.320 You can see there's some squatting and the informal housing 00:28:48.320 --> 00:28:52.560 development in the urban fringe in Istanbul and we are some focusing 00:28:52.560 --> 00:28:56.440 on the right and you can see the new development instead of using 00:28:56.440 --> 00:28:58.720 the this kind of development. 00:28:58.720 --> 00:29:01.160 So this is the first part of the story. 00:29:02.560 --> 00:29:05.800 The second one is the renewable zone, it's coming from the historical 00:29:05.800 --> 00:29:06.600 part of the city. 00:29:06.920 --> 00:29:11.080 We we have some interesting projects on on the cultural heritage 00:29:11.080 --> 00:29:14.520 zones and how can we manage with the this area. 00:29:14.520 --> 00:29:17.560 We have the some site management plan for this area but the government 00:29:17.560 --> 00:29:21.760 decided that we have the we have to do the some regeneration zone 00:29:21.880 --> 00:29:22.560 like that one. 00:29:22.920 --> 00:29:25.880 One of them is circulate, it's in this historical part and you 00:29:25.880 --> 00:29:29.800 can see the some ruins on the on the left, but it's in the historical 00:29:29.800 --> 00:29:30.160 side. 00:29:30.600 --> 00:29:34.160 So they changed the area for the physical environment and they 00:29:34.160 --> 00:29:36.320 make the new housing development on this area. 00:29:36.320 --> 00:29:40.480 But who are living in this area, some migration from the Surya 00:29:40.720 --> 00:29:42.200 are living in this in this area. 00:29:42.200 --> 00:29:45.920 So it's a population changing and the demographical changing 00:29:45.920 --> 00:29:47.200 is very dominated. 00:29:47.200 --> 00:29:47.400 Yeah. 00:29:48.920 --> 00:29:52.680 And also the other one is in Taksim this, this new city centre 00:29:52.920 --> 00:29:56.600 in the area and you can see the some demolish the all part of the 00:29:56.640 --> 00:30:00.920 area and they are using the reconstructed new new developments 00:30:00.920 --> 00:30:03.320 on the on the neighbourhood community. 00:30:04.800 --> 00:30:08.080 Yeah the third one is the, it's dominating the whole process. 00:30:08.080 --> 00:30:13.000 It's a we call the regeneration areas of the disaster risk zone. 00:30:13.280 --> 00:30:16.760 And you can just imagine this is only one district in Istanbul. 00:30:16.760 --> 00:30:19.920 We have thirty nine districts and how many buildings and how 00:30:19.920 --> 00:30:22.120 many inhabitants living in this area? 00:30:22.120 --> 00:30:23.320 This is only one district. 00:30:23.800 --> 00:30:28.160 Including the nine thousand buildings influence affected 00:30:28.160 --> 00:30:36.040 by this project I believe that nearly eight hundred thousand 00:30:36.480 --> 00:30:41.040 sorry yeah eight eighty thousand sorry eighty thousand buildings 00:30:41.040 --> 00:30:46.160 affecting to the to the whole city So this is this is the very interesting 00:30:46.160 --> 00:30:52.320 story because the we are producing the urban land through the 00:30:52.320 --> 00:30:54.080 urban regeneration process. 00:30:54.400 --> 00:30:57.320 So you can see the some pictures, some of them is rendering but 00:30:57.320 --> 00:31:00.880 it's happened in the in the agenda and it's also it's happened 00:31:00.880 --> 00:31:02.680 in the real life. 00:31:03.120 --> 00:31:04.880 It's a de facto situation it's going on. 00:31:05.600 --> 00:31:09.480 Yeah you can see the some daily life cities where I live also in 00:31:09.480 --> 00:31:10.280 the in Kadikoy. 00:31:11.560 --> 00:31:15.040 Yeah the third one is the urban regeneration zone related with 00:31:15.040 --> 00:31:18.120 the municipalities, some municipalities for the political 00:31:18.120 --> 00:31:21.520 decision, they don't want to use the extensive government policies. 00:31:21.520 --> 00:31:24.280 They want to use their own policies for this reason they use the 00:31:24.320 --> 00:31:29.600 some some municipality law and also you can see the before and 00:31:29.600 --> 00:31:36.480 after in the Istanbul area and the municipalities housing company 00:31:36.800 --> 00:31:41.080 make this project on the left and the right is the differences. 00:31:41.080 --> 00:31:45.240 Also, we have some other problems for the socially and economically 00:31:47.240 --> 00:31:49.080 regulations on the construction law. 00:31:49.080 --> 00:31:51.120 Construction law is interesting process. 00:31:51.120 --> 00:31:52.760 It's it's very, very interesting. 00:31:52.760 --> 00:31:55.120 It's based on the real estate ownership. 00:31:55.160 --> 00:31:58.840 Ownership is the crucial things dominating the process. 00:31:59.040 --> 00:32:01.600 The other one is sharing the land value because the land value 00:32:01.600 --> 00:32:04.080 is very very high nowadays in Istanbul. 00:32:04.080 --> 00:32:09.360 For this reason, if you get some benefits from the planning process 00:32:09.600 --> 00:32:11.200 and who will get the benefits? 00:32:11.200 --> 00:32:12.800 Who will get the public burdens. 00:32:12.800 --> 00:32:15.440 The public burdens and the public benefits should be the balance 00:32:15.440 --> 00:32:19.720 but if you get the benefits only and you can give the burden to 00:32:19.720 --> 00:32:23.680 the public it's it's a it's a mistake process How can I say it that 00:32:23.680 --> 00:32:27.040 is that is the what's going on on this on these things. 00:32:27.280 --> 00:32:32.640 So you can see just one example you can see the one property I mean 00:32:32.640 --> 00:32:35.560 the one parcel in the area it's in the city centre of the Istanbul 00:32:35.560 --> 00:32:37.640 and you can see the shared ownership. 00:32:37.640 --> 00:32:39.440 How can you make the plan for this area. 00:32:39.640 --> 00:32:45.600 We have a lot of construction in one parcel and it's a shared ownership 00:32:45.840 --> 00:32:49.600 and after the plan how can you just redistribute the ownership. 00:32:49.600 --> 00:32:54.240 So this is the needs new planning instruments for the application, 00:32:54.240 --> 00:32:57.400 for the for the implementation. 00:32:58.440 --> 00:33:01.920 The the another one is construction law, uncontrolled Urban 00:33:01.920 --> 00:33:03.440 Development on the urban fringe. 00:33:03.440 --> 00:33:06.880 It was coming from the eighties Nowadays it's regulated and 00:33:06.880 --> 00:33:08.640 also it's legalized. 00:33:08.680 --> 00:33:09.400 How can I say it? 00:33:09.640 --> 00:33:12.160 It's a district, one of the district in this area you can see there's 00:33:12.160 --> 00:33:15.160 some forest over there and the uncontrolled Urban Development, 00:33:15.160 --> 00:33:19.560 it's terminating the process after the eighties So the mass 00:33:19.560 --> 00:33:23.680 housing development on the edge and also some gated communities 00:33:23.680 --> 00:33:24.520 in the urban fringe. 00:33:24.520 --> 00:33:28.400 So this is the very high quality buildings and also very high 00:33:28.400 --> 00:33:31.560 quality urban environment. 00:33:31.720 --> 00:33:35.120 But it's another story under the urban regeneration process 00:33:35.560 --> 00:33:38.280 on the forest, on the on the natural threshold. 00:33:38.440 --> 00:33:41.880 So if you see the, if you understand the urban regeneration not 00:33:41.880 --> 00:33:44.920 only for the built up area, it's also for the regenerate, the 00:33:44.960 --> 00:33:51.640 rural area and also the urban fringe and the CBD CBD 's was located 00:33:51.640 --> 00:33:55.120 on the historical part of the city I mean the everybody knows 00:33:55.160 --> 00:33:58.960 the where the Grand Bazaar is on the city and the nowadays it's 00:33:59.160 --> 00:34:02.800 growing on the north and you can see the some fifties and sixties 00:34:04.760 --> 00:34:08.240 housing development on the north and also some industrial sites 00:34:08.280 --> 00:34:08.800 on the left. 00:34:08.880 --> 00:34:12.360 And you can see there's some new development on the this part 00:34:12.640 --> 00:34:16.920 we called as a high rise building policy dominating the process 00:34:17.080 --> 00:34:20.000 and is a central business district of the city. 00:34:20.400 --> 00:34:23.680 It's it's nearly the ongoing process. 00:34:24.280 --> 00:34:27.640 It's going on on process and Piotr knows that he was in the in the 00:34:27.640 --> 00:34:28.000 area. 00:34:28.800 --> 00:34:32.080 Yeah yeah in the industrial parts and the transformation of 00:34:32.080 --> 00:34:34.680 the industrial areas, the industrialization process, it's 00:34:34.760 --> 00:34:38.200 an ongoing process but everybody understands that if you are 00:34:38.200 --> 00:34:41.560 living in the big city, the industry is should be there but some 00:34:41.560 --> 00:34:45.360 of the planning process decided that the metropolitan zone 00:34:45.680 --> 00:34:50.480 should be the related with the service sector instead of using 00:34:50.480 --> 00:34:53.120 the productive industry. 00:34:53.360 --> 00:34:56.800 So but nowadays after the COVID everybody understands that 00:34:56.800 --> 00:34:58.720 we need the industry in the city. 00:34:58.880 --> 00:35:04.680 So this this process is a little bit slowly but it's a it's a one 00:35:04.680 --> 00:35:06.920 story on this on these things. 00:35:07.400 --> 00:35:11.360 And the last one is the zone specific laws is the project based 00:35:11.360 --> 00:35:11.920 development. 00:35:12.440 --> 00:35:17.040 Yeah I know the five minutes I check it I'm just finishing and 00:35:17.040 --> 00:35:20.040 the project based development, the central government decided 00:35:20.040 --> 00:35:25.480 that it's a shortcut to make a construction on the urban land 00:35:25.880 --> 00:35:30.920 because of the, how can I say the political, political, political 00:35:30.920 --> 00:35:33.800 decision, the central government is in the different party 00:35:34.000 --> 00:35:36.920 and the local elections made in the different parties. 00:35:36.920 --> 00:35:40.600 So it's a big fighting on its ongoing process on the city. 00:35:40.600 --> 00:35:42.280 So how can they manage it? 00:35:42.440 --> 00:35:43.440 So this is a shortcut. 00:35:43.600 --> 00:35:47.080 If you see the urban regeneration process in the in the in the 00:35:47.560 --> 00:35:51.120 metropolitan process, you you have to understand that's the 00:35:51.160 --> 00:35:53.200 central government dominating the process. 00:35:54.440 --> 00:35:58.760 Yeah, one of them is the cartel sub district area, the Zahadi 00:35:58.800 --> 00:36:01.000 project project, it's a big discussion. 00:36:01.360 --> 00:36:05.680 The invited architects, I mean the star architects coming to 00:36:05.680 --> 00:36:07.240 city and they are making the project. 00:36:07.240 --> 00:36:08.600 It's a still ongoing process. 00:36:08.600 --> 00:36:13.800 It's not finished, but it's a big discussions happened in that park. 00:36:13.960 --> 00:36:16.680 The other one is the new CBD urban project area. 00:36:16.680 --> 00:36:19.600 As you can see there's some skyscrapers on the on the area and 00:36:19.600 --> 00:36:22.480 they are making the urban project for that area. 00:36:22.880 --> 00:36:25.680 How can you solve the urban infrastructure transportation 00:36:25.680 --> 00:36:30.400 and the how can you come make the public places on the area also 00:36:30.400 --> 00:36:34.000 in the carbon master plan for under the climate change. 00:36:34.000 --> 00:36:39.520 So you have a lot of how can I say issues on this on this area and 00:36:39.520 --> 00:36:40.520 how can you manage it. 00:36:41.760 --> 00:36:48.720 Yeah and the some the new centre in the on this area and some state 00:36:48.720 --> 00:36:52.880 banks headquarters located in this area and you can see the theater 00:36:52.880 --> 00:36:57.520 on the right and the you can see the very very interesting process 00:36:57.520 --> 00:37:00.600 because the central central government decided that the central 00:37:00.600 --> 00:37:04.160 bank should be moved to the Istanbul from Ankara the capital. 00:37:04.400 --> 00:37:07.840 So this is the this is the ongoing process it's it's still dominating 00:37:07.840 --> 00:37:12.320 the things but don't forget that who are the actors of the this 00:37:12.400 --> 00:37:16.480 this process and we will we will give in in a in a minutes and there's 00:37:16.480 --> 00:37:21.520 some big investments as a infrastructure coming from the central 00:37:21.520 --> 00:37:24.880 government decisions the the the one of them is the third bridge 00:37:24.880 --> 00:37:28.760 on the bus force it's it's a very important transportation facilities 00:37:29.280 --> 00:37:34.040 and also the new Istanbul airport on the north in the in the urban 00:37:34.040 --> 00:37:41.360 fridge it's a it's a huge huge area it's regenerate and also the 00:37:41.840 --> 00:37:46.000 the Istanbul canal project it's it's a big big discussion and 00:37:46.000 --> 00:37:49.440 you can see the some central government website on the left and 00:37:49.440 --> 00:37:52.320 also the municipality the metropolitan municipality website 00:37:52.320 --> 00:37:54.320 it's it's versus to each other. 00:37:54.320 --> 00:37:58.480 So you can, you can, you can see the what's what's going on on the 00:37:58.800 --> 00:37:59.600 on the process. 00:38:00.680 --> 00:38:04.040 So some, some others, yeah, in, in, in two minutes. 00:38:04.040 --> 00:38:05.400 Yeah, I'm just finishing. 00:38:05.560 --> 00:38:08.960 And the Galata Port area, it's very close to our university and 00:38:08.960 --> 00:38:13.200 it's regenerate the things under the privatization process 00:38:13.480 --> 00:38:16.720 and you can see the some construction on the waterfront and some 00:38:16.720 --> 00:38:19.240 new cruise port located in this area. 00:38:19.240 --> 00:38:22.120 It's a very interesting process and very important process 00:38:22.440 --> 00:38:23.080 on this area. 00:38:23.080 --> 00:38:24.240 Also it's our neighbor. 00:38:24.640 --> 00:38:29.120 So you can see the whole picture in in one one things, the Ministry 00:38:29.120 --> 00:38:32.280 of Environment, Minister of Culture and Tourism, State Authority, 00:38:32.280 --> 00:38:35.240 real estate construction are dominating the process, but three 00:38:35.240 --> 00:38:38.880 of them are very, very crucial Minister of Environment, Housing 00:38:38.880 --> 00:38:41.000 Authority and the real estate construction. 00:38:41.000 --> 00:38:43.880 So it's a public private partnership dominating the process. 00:38:43.960 --> 00:38:44.720 It's very clear. 00:38:44.960 --> 00:38:48.440 You can see that some municipalities over there, but municipalities 00:38:48.440 --> 00:38:51.640 is a passive role on this on this process. 00:38:52.240 --> 00:38:52.440 Yeah. 00:38:53.360 --> 00:39:00.440 Nowadays in the nearly last month one directory under the urban 00:39:02.120 --> 00:39:05.520 how can I regeneration directory established under the Ministry 00:39:05.520 --> 00:39:07.320 of Environment and the Ministry of Urbanism. 00:39:07.320 --> 00:39:10.440 It's it's still ongoing process so you can understand what's going on. 00:39:11.400 --> 00:39:13.920 The fragmentation is the first output. 00:39:14.280 --> 00:39:17.280 We have a lot of regulations but it's not integrated each other. 00:39:17.480 --> 00:39:20.200 The second one is the project based development instead of using 00:39:20.200 --> 00:39:21.400 the Metropolitan Master plan. 00:39:21.400 --> 00:39:23.960 The project is more than important than the plan. 00:39:24.400 --> 00:39:28.360 The third one is the not clear clear cut standard on this area. 00:39:28.600 --> 00:39:32.200 The political and economical challenges charges are dominating 00:39:32.200 --> 00:39:36.720 the process and we have not defined implementation guidelines. 00:39:36.720 --> 00:39:38.280 The guidelines is very crucial. 00:39:38.680 --> 00:39:41.560 We need the guidelines some some of them nowadays. 00:39:41.720 --> 00:39:45.080 Thinking about the guideline, how can we map the redistribute 00:39:45.360 --> 00:39:50.400 the ownership or or redesign the area And what are the some regulations 00:39:51.520 --> 00:39:54.360 including the this implementation process. 00:39:54.800 --> 00:39:57.760 The fifth one is the physical space estimated rise in the land 00:39:57.760 --> 00:39:59.040 value is focused. 00:39:59.080 --> 00:40:02.920 They focused on only the high land value instead of making the 00:40:03.160 --> 00:40:07.880 high quality urban land and the central politics play the urban 00:40:07.880 --> 00:40:11.360 regeneration projects and they rise the social inequality 00:40:11.680 --> 00:40:15.000 you you as you understand so how can you manage the social and 00:40:15.000 --> 00:40:17.880 economical dimensions of the process. 00:40:18.120 --> 00:40:21.520 And the last one is the social and economic measures are missing. 00:40:21.680 --> 00:40:22.720 I think this is my life. 00:40:23.400 --> 00:40:27.560 Things on this thing, on the on the, on the process, the building 00:40:27.560 --> 00:40:32.640 regeneration and the marketing is a crucial potential on this 00:40:32.640 --> 00:40:33.040 area. 00:40:33.200 --> 00:40:35.600 So how can we manage for this thing? 00:40:35.600 --> 00:40:39.760 So we have a lot of regulations and this it is the still ongoing 00:40:39.760 --> 00:40:42.840 process, this is the de facto process. 00:40:43.240 --> 00:40:45.160 What I want to explain to you. 00:40:45.400 --> 00:40:47.000 Thank you for attention. 00:40:53.040 --> 00:40:53.720 Thank you so much. 00:40:54.120 --> 00:40:54.760 Thank you so much. 00:40:55.720 --> 00:40:57.240 Very, very, very interesting. 00:40:59.120 --> 00:41:02.360 Yeah, unfortunately, I would really like to open the floor for 00:41:02.360 --> 00:41:04.400 some discussion and questions. 00:41:04.400 --> 00:41:05.600 I have one personally. 00:41:06.240 --> 00:41:08.200 It's about IPA It's not a beer. 00:41:08.200 --> 00:41:12.680 It's about the Istanbul planning agency and how you see the role 00:41:12.680 --> 00:41:15.920 of that metropolitan agency in what you describe here. 00:41:16.000 --> 00:41:17.000 Is it significant? 00:41:17.000 --> 00:41:21.080 If it's not significant, significant because I believe that 00:41:21.080 --> 00:41:24.920 metropolitan planning agencies can play a very important role, 00:41:25.200 --> 00:41:29.760 but I would like to hear your opinion on that later when we have 00:41:29.840 --> 00:41:32.640 hopefully a little bits time left for discussion. 00:41:32.640 --> 00:41:37.120 But thanks for your very valuable insights. 00:41:37.440 --> 00:41:44.200 Now we are entering a new round for young planners presenting 00:41:44.200 --> 00:41:46.440 their cases ten minutes each. 00:41:46.440 --> 00:41:49.120 So be be very strict. 00:41:49.120 --> 00:41:53.840 I will call you two minutes before ending if needed, if I see that 00:41:53.840 --> 00:41:55.720 it could see spiral out. 00:41:55.720 --> 00:42:00.200 So without further ado, everything you need to know is on the slide. 00:42:00.200 --> 00:42:02.320 So please thank you. 00:42:02.680 --> 00:42:09.000 How try to stay in my ten minute speech so well today. 00:42:09.000 --> 00:42:11.560 Well, first of all, thank you so much for being here. 00:42:11.560 --> 00:42:14.520 It's a great pleasure and a honour to speak to all of you and being 00:42:14.520 --> 00:42:17.520 here in dance this really amazing city. 00:42:18.160 --> 00:42:25.520 So today I will tell you about just a first glimpse of Public Public 00:42:25.720 --> 00:42:29.520 Partnership on the redevelopment of former military land in 00:42:29.520 --> 00:42:30.000 Spain. 00:42:31.000 --> 00:42:40.040 Well, the the goal ahead for my for this research is to try to detect 00:42:40.040 --> 00:42:44.880 the factors that are tied to this public public partnership 00:42:44.880 --> 00:42:52.080 to create a new social housing project in former military land 00:42:52.080 --> 00:42:53.120 across the country. 00:42:53.440 --> 00:43:01.600 So well, the basic hypothesis of this work is that there is many 00:43:01.600 --> 00:43:02.320 difficulties. 00:43:02.320 --> 00:43:06.360 There are many difficulties tied to regenerating former military 00:43:06.360 --> 00:43:09.440 land, not just in Spain but across the world. 00:43:09.480 --> 00:43:15.480 We saw many processes ongoing since the the late nineteen eighties 00:43:15.480 --> 00:43:21.520 especially starting in the US and then in europe So well this, 00:43:22.520 --> 00:43:28.200 this difficult process has been tackled by many public authorities 00:43:28.200 --> 00:43:31.520 we in partnership with private ones. 00:43:31.520 --> 00:43:38.480 But in the literature they say that well when the the multiple 00:43:38.480 --> 00:43:41.960 process and the difficult multi decade process of redevelopment 00:43:41.960 --> 00:43:45.560 begins and despite discursive and symbolic dimensions, the 00:43:45.560 --> 00:43:48.760 term in the public interest is the most difficult part. 00:43:49.120 --> 00:43:53.640 So I will tell you about specifically three different case studies 00:43:53.640 --> 00:43:59.400 located in capital cities in Spain on Madrid, Valladolid and 00:43:59.400 --> 00:43:59.840 Oviedo. 00:44:01.120 --> 00:44:05.440 Well, these are the scheme of this Public Public Partnership 00:44:05.640 --> 00:44:13.360 with two state bodies that are trying to put together the effort 00:44:13.480 --> 00:44:19.880 to sell the land from the Minister of Defence to the Ministry 00:44:19.880 --> 00:44:27.800 of Public Transport and Urban Agenda for a really high cost to 00:44:27.800 --> 00:44:33.560 develop social housing units in this land that is usually afflicted 00:44:33.560 --> 00:44:39.640 by the the disposal, the legislation on former military side 00:44:39.640 --> 00:44:46.000 that is aimed to provide profits, a much needed income for the 00:44:46.000 --> 00:44:49.680 Minister of Defence to carry out its functions. 00:44:49.880 --> 00:44:55.280 And in these times, well, there are many conflicts on the cultural 00:44:55.520 --> 00:44:59.480 agenda, not only in Spain but everywhere else. 00:44:59.520 --> 00:45:05.480 So despite this procedure started in the mid nineteen eighties 00:45:05.520 --> 00:45:08.400 with the specific case of spain well the disposal of military 00:45:08.400 --> 00:45:13.200 land is still on the urban agenda of these cities And the Spains 00:45:13.200 --> 00:45:16.600 Recovery and Resilience Plan has also directed the relevance 00:45:16.840 --> 00:45:23.280 in the role of this land to become a pillar of the National Housing 00:45:23.280 --> 00:45:28.320 plan for affordable rentals, especially in the cases of barracks 00:45:28.320 --> 00:45:31.160 to integrally restore or partially demolished. 00:45:31.760 --> 00:45:35.840 The expectation is that this operation will enable urban regeneration 00:45:35.840 --> 00:45:39.440 and densification with another improvement in the perception 00:45:39.440 --> 00:45:43.880 of this space as safe from gender based violence and harassment. 00:45:43.880 --> 00:45:48.240 This is what is stated in the Spanish Recovery Plan. 00:45:49.160 --> 00:45:52.640 I don't like to read, but this is an essential step to understand 00:45:53.080 --> 00:45:54.360 all contexts so well. 00:45:55.360 --> 00:46:01.280 During the last years I I researched this theme mostly in Italy 00:46:01.280 --> 00:46:02.000 and Spain. 00:46:02.640 --> 00:46:07.160 I try to understand how the legislation has evolved, their results 00:46:07.200 --> 00:46:12.160 also, which are mostly planning agreements and some redevelopments. 00:46:12.160 --> 00:46:16.880 There is no public inquiry on this on the outcomes of these policies, 00:46:16.880 --> 00:46:19.880 not just in Spain but in Europe. 00:46:20.040 --> 00:46:24.520 The case of the United States is quite different as we see as so 00:46:24.520 --> 00:46:30.440 we saw yesterday so well, specifically in the case of Spain, 00:46:30.640 --> 00:46:35.520 well a state level, there is no public inventory nor on the state 00:46:35.520 --> 00:46:39.520 of the military land, nor of the reuse processes carried out. 00:46:39.840 --> 00:46:48.200 And but there is an attempt to involved this this land, the military 00:46:48.200 --> 00:46:51.720 brownfields for creating a more just city. 00:46:53.120 --> 00:47:01.720 Here we can see this, the localization of the sites about about 00:47:01.720 --> 00:47:05.840 to be redeveloped into new social housing neighborhoods at 00:47:06.000 --> 00:47:10.280 different scale because it depends from the size of the military 00:47:10.280 --> 00:47:14.000 land and the city in which they are located. 00:47:15.400 --> 00:47:19.840 You see that the transfer implied the expenditure of more than 00:47:20.320 --> 00:47:26.960 six hundred and twenty two million euros for a public public 00:47:26.960 --> 00:47:28.880 transfer So this is quite amazing. 00:47:28.880 --> 00:47:34.800 And if you see last month in Spain they agreed to spend more than 00:47:34.960 --> 00:47:42.960 one one dozen million euros for army and instead they received 00:47:44.000 --> 00:47:50.360 by selling their land six six hundred million euros So this generated 00:47:50.640 --> 00:47:52.360 quite quite a huge debate. 00:47:53.720 --> 00:47:57.960 These are just the tables with the with the sites included. 00:47:57.960 --> 00:48:03.400 Well the before two thousand twenty three there were just five 00:48:04.000 --> 00:48:07.560 five site five military sites included in this plan but then 00:48:07.920 --> 00:48:10.640 in two thousand twenty three it has been made official in May 00:48:10.960 --> 00:48:16.240 with more with thirty four military compounds to be redeveloped 00:48:16.240 --> 00:48:18.000 into social housing neighbourhoods. 00:48:18.400 --> 00:48:23.160 And well here just to show you some of the cases they just take 00:48:24.000 --> 00:48:28.200 across the state the size that experienced a multi decade difficult 00:48:28.560 --> 00:48:33.760 redevelopment process to enable their the new function. 00:48:33.760 --> 00:48:37.400 Because this area for instance is the most biggest one located 00:48:37.400 --> 00:48:40.680 in the southeastern part of Madrid. 00:48:40.960 --> 00:48:46.000 It comprises more than two million square meters of land and 00:48:46.000 --> 00:48:48.720 it will create another little city in Madrid. 00:48:48.720 --> 00:48:53.000 But many factors hindering its redevelopment since nineteen 00:48:53.000 --> 00:48:58.200 eighty nine the year i was born So you know and the state day of 00:48:58.200 --> 00:49:02.800 this area is like this, you you can't just reuse the building 00:49:02.800 --> 00:49:08.800 but demolished and create a new built environment or natural 00:49:08.800 --> 00:49:09.200 one. 00:49:09.880 --> 00:49:13.040 This is another case located in the Spanish city available in 00:49:13.040 --> 00:49:17.800 Castilla Leon region in which well the abandonment took place 00:49:17.800 --> 00:49:21.400 in two thousand eleven They tried to promote the selling of this 00:49:21.400 --> 00:49:22.760 area to private investors. 00:49:22.760 --> 00:49:28.800 There was no interest, so this area went involved to in this project 00:49:28.800 --> 00:49:31.080 for new social housing units. 00:49:31.200 --> 00:49:34.760 And this is just a render of the proposed transformation. 00:49:36.480 --> 00:49:41.880 The last one is the redevelopment of La Vega Barracks in the northern 00:49:41.880 --> 00:49:44.920 located city of Oviedo in Asturias region. 00:49:45.520 --> 00:49:47.360 So here I saw the situation. 00:49:47.480 --> 00:49:48.280 It's a disaster. 00:49:48.280 --> 00:49:55.680 You can see how are they built the the the former military personnel 00:49:55.680 --> 00:49:56.120 homes. 00:49:56.840 --> 00:50:01.600 There is no way to reuse them but just to demolish and try to create 00:50:01.600 --> 00:50:02.520 something different. 00:50:02.520 --> 00:50:06.760 I won't go into detail am I OK with the time because I don't see, 00:50:08.120 --> 00:50:09.240 OK that's good. 00:50:09.600 --> 00:50:15.120 So and well and then I also at your disposal for answer you your 00:50:15.120 --> 00:50:18.960 questions or if you have any doubts etcetera about all these 00:50:19.680 --> 00:50:20.120 processes. 00:50:20.120 --> 00:50:26.600 So well, we can see that this this process for the disposal and 00:50:26.600 --> 00:50:33.160 development of military sites, well, it may generate two different 00:50:33.160 --> 00:50:37.400 kind of spaces, space for profit and space for social reproduction. 00:50:37.640 --> 00:50:42.160 And there has been always a conflict between public actors and 00:50:42.160 --> 00:50:45.120 public and private investors about this. 00:50:45.160 --> 00:50:50.440 And many tribunal appeals just stop redevelopment processes 00:50:50.440 --> 00:50:55.000 because they were against the law and they and the City Council 00:50:55.280 --> 00:50:59.760 just approved many of of the project during the nineteen eighties 00:50:59.760 --> 00:51:03.840 nineteen nineties and the last twenty years So it has been quite 00:51:03.840 --> 00:51:04.560 a huge case. 00:51:04.880 --> 00:51:09.520 So this public public partnership despite spending too much 00:51:09.600 --> 00:51:16.760 money in selling the land can generate a much needed social housing 00:51:16.760 --> 00:51:21.600 unit especially in our I poking which the costs for construction 00:51:21.760 --> 00:51:28.240 is rising and there is no affordable housing in at state level 00:51:28.240 --> 00:51:32.240 in all the the autonomous community in Spain. 00:51:32.480 --> 00:51:38.240 And well this has been generated also starting from the twenty 00:51:38.240 --> 00:51:42.760 seventh twenty two thousand and seven two thousand and eight 00:51:43.760 --> 00:51:48.520 urban austerity policies that just hindered the already ongoing 00:51:48.520 --> 00:51:51.600 redevelopment process So let's see what's going on. 00:51:51.600 --> 00:51:55.960 I'm going to write to to make an inventory of this case and thank 00:51:55.960 --> 00:51:56.880 you for your attention. 00:51:56.880 --> 00:51:58.600 I hope to be in time. 00:52:05.040 --> 00:52:05.920 Thank you. 00:52:05.920 --> 00:52:13.040 Yes, you are surprisingly despite such a big topic and it's an 00:52:13.040 --> 00:52:17.840 interesting topic because speaking on behalf of isocarpa, 00:52:18.720 --> 00:52:24.480 our next opportunity could be to have a wealthy Congress in a 00:52:24.880 --> 00:52:30.040 converted sites, military sites in in new Clark City, which 00:52:30.040 --> 00:52:32.240 is north of Manila. 00:52:32.680 --> 00:52:35.920 So that's another part of the world, but it could be interesting 00:52:35.920 --> 00:52:37.560 to exchange views. 00:52:37.560 --> 00:52:38.440 So thank you very much. 00:52:38.960 --> 00:52:44.840 I will invite now next speakers, speakers, that's correct. 00:52:44.840 --> 00:52:48.720 Sorry to be so blinded. 00:52:49.080 --> 00:52:55.040 Please take the floor and all the introductions we need are beautifully 00:52:55.040 --> 00:52:55.560 displayed. 00:52:55.560 --> 00:52:58.360 So try to be within the time of ten minutes. 00:53:03.400 --> 00:53:04.760 Jen Dobri, good morning. 00:53:06.040 --> 00:53:10.200 It's great to be here in Gdansk, particularly because our topic 00:53:10.200 --> 00:53:12.880 I feel is very relevant for the transformation of this city. 00:53:14.160 --> 00:53:19.000 It's a reflection on our experience as planners working in Northeast 00:53:19.000 --> 00:53:22.640 London on the question of how we use our industrial land. 00:53:23.520 --> 00:53:27.160 It's been obviously, yeah, a massive issue for for good dance 00:53:27.160 --> 00:53:30.320 to to deal with and think about and I hope that there are some lessons 00:53:30.320 --> 00:53:33.960 that you can take from from listening to our presentation. 00:53:34.840 --> 00:53:36.160 So where is Waltham Forest? 00:53:36.560 --> 00:53:41.040 We're based in as I said north east london with a quite a changing 00:53:41.040 --> 00:53:44.240 urban context In the South of the borough it's very, very developed 00:53:44.960 --> 00:53:45.920 and very dense. 00:53:45.920 --> 00:53:49.040 And in the north, we're about Epping Forest which is a special 00:53:49.040 --> 00:53:53.080 area of conservation and and very sort of low density suburban 00:53:53.080 --> 00:53:53.600 housing. 00:53:55.480 --> 00:53:58.200 And Black Horse Lane is the site that we're going to talk about. 00:53:58.200 --> 00:54:02.200 It's kind of slap bang in the middle of the borough and it's along 00:54:02.200 --> 00:54:05.800 this River Lee which was one of the historical arteries really 00:54:05.800 --> 00:54:08.800 of London and where manufacturing grew up. 00:54:09.760 --> 00:54:14.800 And relevant for the planning designations of this site are 00:54:14.800 --> 00:54:18.640 particularly it's situation in an opportunity area within 00:54:18.640 --> 00:54:19.360 the London plan. 00:54:19.360 --> 00:54:23.640 So the areas that the London plan tries to direct growth to and 00:54:23.640 --> 00:54:27.880 also its presence as a strategic industrial location, which 00:54:27.880 --> 00:54:30.240 is a designation that's been in effect since two thousand and 00:54:30.240 --> 00:54:36.400 four to protect the the most important sites for industry and 00:54:36.400 --> 00:54:40.640 it's a very well connected site It wasn't though until the the 00:54:40.720 --> 00:54:43.680 early nineteen hundreds really that the the the industrial 00:54:43.680 --> 00:54:45.800 development sort of started to to grow. 00:54:46.320 --> 00:54:50.280 But when it did it really kicked off with a whole range of industries 00:54:50.280 --> 00:54:55.200 locating there, but principally it was furniture, metal work 00:54:55.760 --> 00:55:00.320 and so quite heavy sort of proper production that was happening 00:55:00.320 --> 00:55:01.400 in in Black Horse Lane. 00:55:03.880 --> 00:55:08.720 Cut in though to the mid two thousands and some of these industries 00:55:08.720 --> 00:55:13.240 had either closed down or left to find cheaper premises outside 00:55:13.320 --> 00:55:17.680 of of the Greater London area and and part of the site was also 00:55:17.680 --> 00:55:22.840 given over to a large surface car park related to the existence 00:55:22.840 --> 00:55:27.120 of one of the underground stations in this far corner of the site. 00:55:27.760 --> 00:55:33.040 And so a plan was hatched to redevelop this land de designate 00:55:33.040 --> 00:55:37.600 it from being a strategic site for industry and instead meet 00:55:37.600 --> 00:55:40.440 our strategic housing needs through redevelopment. 00:55:41.080 --> 00:55:46.160 And and so this master plan initially was conceived to produce 00:55:46.880 --> 00:55:50.080 in the region of a thousand to two thousand homes so quite a dense 00:55:50.160 --> 00:55:53.680 urban development around three hundred to four hundred dwellings 00:55:53.680 --> 00:55:59.880 per hectare This has now happened if you if you see this southern 00:55:59.880 --> 00:56:05.440 extent of the site just here this, this is the site that was de 00:56:05.440 --> 00:56:09.600 designated and you can see that we have sort of student housing 00:56:09.840 --> 00:56:14.800 and then a mix sort of residential scheme here with some commercial 00:56:14.800 --> 00:56:17.200 space into interwoven. 00:56:18.880 --> 00:56:23.160 And we have a large area still though of this strategic industrial 00:56:23.160 --> 00:56:27.880 land which is really the, the, the question that we bring now 00:56:27.880 --> 00:56:31.560 with the work that we've been doing for the last few years. 00:56:33.840 --> 00:56:37.040 The contexts has changed significantly for London. 00:56:38.480 --> 00:56:42.440 In twenty seventeen the the london industrial demand study 00:56:43.360 --> 00:56:48.080 forecast that over the period to twenty forty one we could we 00:56:48.080 --> 00:56:52.920 could, afford to lose around two hundred and thirty hectares 00:56:52.920 --> 00:56:53.920 of industrial land. 00:56:54.520 --> 00:56:57.360 Already in the five years from two thousand and seventeen we've 00:56:57.360 --> 00:57:02.120 lost three hundred and fifty This is obviously a a very big problem 00:57:02.120 --> 00:57:06.080 for London because there's been a, I suppose a re evaluation 00:57:06.080 --> 00:57:10.160 of the value that the industrial land actually brings and this 00:57:10.160 --> 00:57:13.240 just shows you the extent of of that problem. 00:57:14.480 --> 00:57:19.200 To have an effective land market for industry, we need a frictional 00:57:19.200 --> 00:57:23.520 vacancy rate of around seven or eight percent in london As you 00:57:23.520 --> 00:57:26.040 can see, this vacancy rate over the last ten years has hovered 00:57:26.040 --> 00:57:30.600 at around two to four Therefore, we've got significantly rising 00:57:30.600 --> 00:57:36.120 rents and speculation in the land market and in our borough in 00:57:36.120 --> 00:57:39.200 Waltham Forest, our local plan shows that we need thirty six 00:57:39.200 --> 00:57:43.120 and a half thousand square meters of additional space to meet 00:57:43.160 --> 00:57:51.480 the the the planned growth and i will hand over to rob And so the 00:57:51.560 --> 00:57:54.960 influx of new residents in the South also began to change the 00:57:54.960 --> 00:57:57.320 nature of Black Horse road Black Horse Lane. 00:57:57.320 --> 00:58:02.200 Rather the the area residents began increasingly buying directly 00:58:02.200 --> 00:58:03.560 from producers in the site. 00:58:03.560 --> 00:58:07.400 So craft breweries and bakeries began to sell. 00:58:07.400 --> 00:58:09.480 So we we like this picture because in the foreground you might 00:58:09.480 --> 00:58:13.120 not be able to see there's a a buggy or a pram inside an industrial 00:58:13.120 --> 00:58:17.560 unit And then here we are his young people in the sort of dense 00:58:17.560 --> 00:58:22.120 housing kind of recreating next to the classic saw tooth roofs 00:58:22.120 --> 00:58:25.200 the industrial form and the business is naturally the council. 00:58:25.200 --> 00:58:28.400 The authority began to invest in the street scene and and celebrate 00:58:28.400 --> 00:58:32.720 this element of the of the the the changing industrial area. 00:58:33.400 --> 00:58:37.960 So the challenge for us I suppose as planners is how do we keep 00:58:37.960 --> 00:58:41.560 this declining source of industrial land with a with such a strong 00:58:41.560 --> 00:58:45.760 demand for additional land how do we make the most of quite a low 00:58:45.760 --> 00:58:50.120 density urban site that's well connected to the transport network 00:58:50.120 --> 00:58:53.040 to to meet our strategic housing need And how do we how do we do 00:58:53.040 --> 00:58:55.720 that while also trying to keep this sense of place that actually 00:58:55.720 --> 00:58:58.480 makes this the somewhere that people want to go to and want to 00:58:58.480 --> 00:58:58.920 visit. 00:58:59.680 --> 00:59:04.200 So and here's here's another one I suppose and and and so we started 00:59:04.200 --> 00:59:06.920 a master planning process and it was an iterative process isn't 00:59:06.920 --> 00:59:10.000 sort of so formal in the way that sometimes master planning can 00:59:10.000 --> 00:59:10.280 be. 00:59:11.160 --> 00:59:16.000 And we we involved a lot of the the residents in the area and the 00:59:16.000 --> 00:59:19.400 businesses and we came up with a strategy that's quite novel 00:59:19.400 --> 00:59:24.040 in the context of London to to retain industrial. 00:59:24.040 --> 00:59:28.920 So that sort of shows the the, the, the blurring industrial in 00:59:28.920 --> 00:59:33.400 the north, furthest away from the transport network, a mix of 00:59:33.400 --> 00:59:36.800 industrial and residential units in the center of the area and 00:59:36.800 --> 00:59:40.040 then the the residential only near the nearest to the station. 00:59:40.560 --> 00:59:43.880 And that involves some quite novel typologies, so including 00:59:43.880 --> 00:59:47.720 stacking industrial units on top of each other, a mix of what 00:59:47.720 --> 00:59:51.760 we call Co location of residential and industrial uses, sometimes 00:59:51.760 --> 00:59:57.120 with a podium with residential above, sometimes with adjacent, 00:59:57.120 --> 01:00:00.000 so residential next to a purely industrial unit and. 01:00:00.040 --> 01:00:01.880 And that's residential only at the South. 01:00:02.960 --> 01:00:05.800 And we just want to show you how this master plan is developed 01:00:05.800 --> 01:00:08.440 really because it's a sort of learning process for us as well. 01:00:08.720 --> 01:00:11.240 So this is an industrial developer, a very large one, Seagro, 01:00:11.520 --> 01:00:15.840 who have a proposition for the site and really does that work. 01:00:15.840 --> 01:00:18.160 It's just that the frontage that we wanted to flag, which is much 01:00:18.160 --> 01:00:19.880 softer than the sort of natural shed. 01:00:20.120 --> 01:00:23.200 So this is a reaction to the the, the, the complexity of building 01:00:23.200 --> 01:00:25.360 residential next to industrial. 01:00:26.560 --> 01:00:29.960 Here's a schematic or a rendering of what we think the multi Storey 01:00:29.960 --> 01:00:31.160 industrial might look like. 01:00:31.160 --> 01:00:34.000 And something that we really wanted to flag here is that the the 01:00:34.000 --> 01:00:38.200 retention of businesses is essential as part of the master planning 01:00:38.200 --> 01:00:38.560 process. 01:00:38.560 --> 01:00:40.440 It will only be a success if we can do that. 01:00:40.440 --> 01:00:44.080 So Signature Brewery and Hackney Gelato are businesses there 01:00:44.280 --> 01:00:47.000 and there's a legal obligation on developers to retain those 01:00:47.000 --> 01:00:49.320 businesses or at least to to offer them reprovision. 01:00:51.080 --> 01:00:53.720 This is the night time, so the master plan also thinks about different 01:00:53.720 --> 01:00:57.480 times of day, trying to retain that sense of place. 01:00:57.480 --> 01:01:00.160 Industrial units are served overnight, but typically at three 01:01:00.160 --> 01:01:03.920 AM four AM So there's an evening slot where we can try and make 01:01:03.920 --> 01:01:06.600 the most of that ability of people to come in and buy directly 01:01:06.600 --> 01:01:07.640 from the producers. 01:01:09.320 --> 01:01:12.120 The Master plan also needs to think really carefully about the 01:01:12.120 --> 01:01:13.480 phasing of development. 01:01:13.680 --> 01:01:15.400 There are different land uses. 01:01:15.400 --> 01:01:18.160 It's quite a complex picture in industrial land, in in Black 01:01:18.160 --> 01:01:19.560 Horse Lane and in London generally. 01:01:20.040 --> 01:01:23.520 So the master plan looks at different sequences of of of development 01:01:23.520 --> 01:01:26.920 who might come forward first trying to manage the the the, the, 01:01:27.080 --> 01:01:30.400 the interface between industry and residential. 01:01:30.680 --> 01:01:33.400 And this is a simple image but it just shows how green infrastructure, 01:01:33.400 --> 01:01:36.240 how trees can be used to block between the heavier industrial 01:01:36.240 --> 01:01:37.720 uses and some of the residential. 01:01:38.280 --> 01:01:42.200 At at the same time we also want to celebrate the industrial nature 01:01:42.200 --> 01:01:46.800 of the area and some industry will need to keep away from the residential 01:01:46.800 --> 01:01:49.840 but the the area also invites some industry down onto the street. 01:01:50.080 --> 01:01:52.600 So talking about streets earlier, here's a new street planned 01:01:52.600 --> 01:01:56.480 within the industrial area and next to a coffee shop and other 01:01:56.480 --> 01:01:59.440 other things that the new new residents might might want to enjoy. 01:02:00.160 --> 01:02:03.880 We also have have planned for and hope to see industry including 01:02:03.880 --> 01:02:07.120 some sort of boring industry, you know logistics right in the 01:02:07.120 --> 01:02:08.360 heart of this urban area. 01:02:12.280 --> 01:02:15.360 So I suppose the challenges we don't want to present this as a 01:02:15.360 --> 01:02:16.480 success necessarily. 01:02:16.480 --> 01:02:19.160 It's a project that's ongoing and I think we'll we'll we'll learn 01:02:19.160 --> 01:02:19.840 a lot from this. 01:02:20.120 --> 01:02:22.640 There are a few examples in London, but we're certainly one of 01:02:22.640 --> 01:02:26.240 the first and the challenges and that we face and that we hope 01:02:26.240 --> 01:02:30.640 we can overcome with this are will business want to stack, Will 01:02:30.640 --> 01:02:34.120 they accept a sort of lack of convenience in terms of being on 01:02:34.120 --> 01:02:38.120 an upper floor at the for for being in the right location and can 01:02:38.120 --> 01:02:39.720 we retain this as the right location? 01:02:39.720 --> 01:02:44.120 Can we keep, can we get that mix of of industry and residential right? 01:02:44.120 --> 01:02:48.000 Can we use design appropriately to mitigate between any conflicts? 01:02:52.240 --> 01:02:55.720 So yeah, I think that that was a great summary by Rob of of you know 01:02:55.720 --> 01:02:58.960 where we are with the scheme and if you're interested, please 01:02:58.960 --> 01:03:03.080 come and talk to us about what the work that we've done in in excruciating 01:03:03.080 --> 01:03:03.480 detail. 01:03:03.480 --> 01:03:04.880 So thank you so much. 01:03:04.880 --> 01:03:14.360 Yes, don't forget your bottle. 01:03:14.520 --> 01:03:17.000 Yes, very interesting. 01:03:17.960 --> 01:03:20.520 A lot of questions I have, maybe you have. 01:03:20.960 --> 01:03:25.720 Hopefully we still have some time to bring them to the discussion. 01:03:26.760 --> 01:03:28.560 Our next speaker is Jeffrey. 01:03:31.120 --> 01:03:33.200 Well, again, everything is there. 01:03:33.320 --> 01:03:34.080 The floor is yours. 01:03:34.120 --> 01:03:35.200 ten minutes, please. 01:03:42.280 --> 01:03:43.000 Thanks, Frank. 01:03:44.080 --> 01:03:45.160 Good morning, everyone. 01:03:46.320 --> 01:03:47.200 Kawaito Son. 01:03:47.560 --> 01:03:49.560 So this is the Chinese means. 01:03:49.560 --> 01:03:50.760 Good morning everyone. 01:03:50.760 --> 01:03:53.560 I think I have a very warm welcome from the people of Goddanz and 01:03:53.560 --> 01:03:54.240 the city of Goddanz. 01:03:54.240 --> 01:03:57.480 I think it's good as a Chinese culture to use my own language to 01:03:57.480 --> 01:04:00.600 greet everyone 's in the room So nice to meet you. 01:04:01.320 --> 01:04:02.240 I'm Jeffrey. 01:04:03.480 --> 01:04:06.560 I know it's a bit difficult to pronounce, so it's NG You can call 01:04:06.560 --> 01:04:07.360 me if you want. 01:04:08.000 --> 01:04:10.800 I'm a charter town planner, principal planning officers from 01:04:10.800 --> 01:04:13.280 the Royal Borough of Windsor Maidenhead Council. 01:04:14.000 --> 01:04:17.720 Today I'm going to, I mean I know I like to work what Jenna said 01:04:17.720 --> 01:04:18.960 about a story of Bristol. 01:04:18.960 --> 01:04:22.840 So I'm going to another fantastic city in in in the UK which is 01:04:22.840 --> 01:04:23.480 Windsor. 01:04:24.000 --> 01:04:28.280 Talk about a fantastic regeneration project within the Windsor 01:04:28.280 --> 01:04:29.120 town centre. 01:04:33.000 --> 01:04:34.840 I think it's the middle of the morning section. 01:04:34.840 --> 01:04:36.960 So I think possibly audience would like to have some stretching 01:04:36.960 --> 01:04:37.880 exercise for the hand. 01:04:38.120 --> 01:04:42.800 So I ask you guys, has anyone been to Windsor before or no Windsor 01:04:43.160 --> 01:04:43.800 can your hands up. 01:04:44.760 --> 01:04:46.000 I see planners UK right. 01:04:46.040 --> 01:04:49.600 Anyone else outside UK No. 01:04:49.600 --> 01:04:50.640 OK thank you. 01:04:50.800 --> 01:04:52.160 So it's more like the exercise. 01:04:52.320 --> 01:04:56.400 So Windsor, I mean probably famous for one thing, the Royal Family 01:04:56.640 --> 01:05:00.320 and the Queen Elizabeth which is her final destinations in in 01:05:00.320 --> 01:05:00.960 her life. 01:05:02.200 --> 01:05:04.480 This place is have a lot of constraints. 01:05:04.480 --> 01:05:07.720 So you probably know the Windsor Castle is a UNESCO World Heritage 01:05:07.880 --> 01:05:11.800 schedule Morning one great one building register park and garden, 01:05:11.800 --> 01:05:13.000 blah blah blah, a long list. 01:05:13.000 --> 01:05:14.440 So actually it's highly protected. 01:05:14.920 --> 01:05:18.120 So the the application side of what we have is a red line showing 01:05:18.120 --> 01:05:22.280 on the map and it's not far from Windsor Castle but it's also the 01:05:22.280 --> 01:05:26.120 site is within the number of heritage access constraint which 01:05:26.160 --> 01:05:27.640 I will talk through in details. 01:05:28.680 --> 01:05:32.200 Unfortunately my slide got some words and and and pictures because 01:05:32.200 --> 01:05:36.000 I think that is something to if you bore to look at my face you can 01:05:36.000 --> 01:05:36.760 go to the slides. 01:05:36.760 --> 01:05:39.960 But I use my tactics while I was in my planning school I try to hidden 01:05:39.960 --> 01:05:43.000 some of my points in my slide so you have to listen to me as well 01:05:43.000 --> 01:05:45.680 because I think that's usually the point to be taking examinations 01:05:45.680 --> 01:05:48.360 so you have to be in the lecture anyway I believe you probably 01:05:48.360 --> 01:05:49.680 know that when you're in a student. 01:05:51.240 --> 01:05:54.920 So when's a yard is a shopping center at the heart of the Windsor 01:05:54.920 --> 01:05:59.080 Town Center as I show in the plan before it was used as a as a fan 01:05:59.080 --> 01:06:01.680 with department store which probably know if if your plans from 01:06:01.680 --> 01:06:05.400 UK you know where this is a famous brand name and it was being closed 01:06:05.400 --> 01:06:09.200 down become vacant and sadly it was being being a short term use 01:06:09.360 --> 01:06:10.840 for a lot of different Latin. 01:06:11.080 --> 01:06:14.080 So during the Covic it was being used as one of the biggest Covic 01:06:14.080 --> 01:06:17.840 vaccination center in Windsor and afterwards it is become vacant 01:06:17.840 --> 01:06:18.200 again. 01:06:19.160 --> 01:06:22.400 So there's a battle of issues how that I mean in the heart of that 01:06:22.640 --> 01:06:26.080 land in in the Windsor Town Center has been vacant for I mean a 01:06:26.080 --> 01:06:27.880 decade or even longer time there. 01:06:28.440 --> 01:06:31.400 There's also other issues Windsor as well and there will be an 01:06:31.400 --> 01:06:34.000 options about hotel but actually there's not really much option 01:06:34.000 --> 01:06:35.560 to accommodate the visitors. 01:06:36.000 --> 01:06:40.560 And also there is a great demand on having a cinema in in, in, in 01:06:40.560 --> 01:06:41.360 Windsor Town Center. 01:06:41.360 --> 01:06:44.920 But it's ironically there's actually no a proper cinema in Windsor 01:06:44.920 --> 01:06:45.800 Town Center. 01:06:47.880 --> 01:06:50.960 So the challenge is what we have in Windsor was I mean I just mentioned 01:06:50.960 --> 01:06:56.040 in my previous introductions is a lot of very good protected 01:06:56.040 --> 01:06:56.840 heritages. 01:06:57.000 --> 01:07:00.560 I mean in, in, in, within this within the Town Center or even within 01:07:00.560 --> 01:07:01.400 the application site. 01:07:01.400 --> 01:07:05.240 So including conservation area, Windsor Castle the the picture 01:07:05.240 --> 01:07:07.760 show probably you probably knows on on the news or fully on the 01:07:07.760 --> 01:07:10.760 Google is is Windsor Castle the world when it is conservation 01:07:10.760 --> 01:07:11.000 area. 01:07:11.000 --> 01:07:13.800 So actually the application site is exactly within the conservation 01:07:13.800 --> 01:07:14.160 area. 01:07:14.160 --> 01:07:17.800 So it's highly protected by both national and local policy in 01:07:17.800 --> 01:07:22.200 the UK and the the other issues what we have is about the lack of 01:07:22.200 --> 01:07:24.520 office, a high quality office spaces. 01:07:24.680 --> 01:07:27.640 So we do have a number of office spaces vacant in Vinza but they 01:07:27.640 --> 01:07:32.240 all being built seventies eighties So it's not really fit to 01:07:32.240 --> 01:07:34.320 what is going on after the post. 01:07:34.320 --> 01:07:37.480 Pandemic will need more flexible working style, a bit of more 01:07:38.200 --> 01:07:43.240 well being oriented office space So it's that issues of Windsor 01:07:45.280 --> 01:07:49.360 so well as a case officer myself which I mean I work with my colleagues 01:07:49.360 --> 01:07:55.520 in policy what have other professional tree ecology flood transport 01:07:55.840 --> 01:07:58.920 planners we all work together with the developer to comes up 01:07:58.920 --> 01:08:01.640 with the fascination project under pre applications. 01:08:01.920 --> 01:08:05.320 So a lot of debate ongoing to make the things happen including 01:08:05.360 --> 01:08:08.680 a hospital developer want to build taller and taller block was 01:08:08.840 --> 01:08:10.120 Janet possibly not like it. 01:08:10.200 --> 01:08:13.080 I mean block block block tall building to maximize the benefit 01:08:13.440 --> 01:08:16.800 plan is what done done done but more lower things because we need 01:08:16.800 --> 01:08:20.240 to protect the castle and of course there is a local plan requirement 01:08:20.240 --> 01:08:21.040 about the building height. 01:08:21.040 --> 01:08:24.080 So isn't issues for we have that conversation. 01:08:24.200 --> 01:08:28.960 But of course there another thing is about how to harm to be attached 01:08:28.960 --> 01:08:32.440 to this side to this scheme to on the heritage asset doesn't and 01:08:32.440 --> 01:08:35.320 other issues or how to minimize the harm that is another challenging 01:08:35.320 --> 01:08:35.680 point. 01:08:36.240 --> 01:08:40.040 So thankfully in last year the the developer comes up with all 01:08:40.040 --> 01:08:43.520 the local engagement with the members of the local members and 01:08:43.520 --> 01:08:47.080 also the the stakeholders the shops owners or what are all the 01:08:47.280 --> 01:08:50.200 all the key circles as a Windsor Town Center I come up with a full 01:08:50.200 --> 01:08:50.960 application. 01:08:52.200 --> 01:08:55.600 The full application comes up with roughly five different parts 01:08:55.800 --> 01:08:57.320 I go through quite quickly. 01:08:57.320 --> 01:09:00.600 I know it's a quite comprehensive scheme, the southern part, 01:09:00.760 --> 01:09:04.800 easy to remember, southern part, eastern park, the Central 01:09:04.800 --> 01:09:07.560 Park and also the the public rim and northern park. 01:09:07.720 --> 01:09:11.200 So the Central Park including is an office, a new office building, 01:09:11.640 --> 01:09:15.760 a new apart hotel providing some long term just like a service 01:09:15.760 --> 01:09:19.880 apartment to the long term visitor for business or tourist purposes 01:09:20.200 --> 01:09:23.560 and also a refurbishment of existing car park to accommodate 01:09:23.560 --> 01:09:25.120 a bit and more extra visitors. 01:09:26.200 --> 01:09:30.360 The Central Park which is the blue blue color in in in the plan 01:09:30.600 --> 01:09:34.840 is about the existed is an existing residential development 01:09:35.040 --> 01:09:35.720 in Windsor. 01:09:35.920 --> 01:09:39.920 So the scheme is including also is to improve the existing residential 01:09:40.160 --> 01:09:43.040 flat for example some refurbishment work internal externally 01:09:43.400 --> 01:09:46.040 and also makes that a bit more vibrant experience. 01:09:46.640 --> 01:09:51.920 The red area is actually is the new cinema to be put in and I'm not 01:09:51.920 --> 01:09:53.360 sure you probably knows about cinema. 01:09:53.360 --> 01:09:56.560 Actually I know a bit more now after this application you put 01:09:56.560 --> 01:10:00.160 a cinema you'd actually need funding because it's a quite a unique 01:10:00.160 --> 01:10:01.840 spec space to accommodate. 01:10:01.840 --> 01:10:04.560 I mean for Frank for screen five screen three hundred people 01:10:04.560 --> 01:10:08.400 but actually it's quite difficult to to to support in terms of 01:10:08.400 --> 01:10:13.720 finance viability So in this project they have an eye redevelopment 01:10:13.720 --> 01:10:16.520 for eight unit scheme to demolish the have a redevelopment to 01:10:16.520 --> 01:10:20.760 build some new flat just to to able to find the funding to secure 01:10:20.960 --> 01:10:21.760 a new cinema. 01:10:22.480 --> 01:10:25.440 So the yellow one is the is the existing hotel which is called 01:10:25.440 --> 01:10:26.600 a Travelodge hotel. 01:10:26.920 --> 01:10:29.640 It's not a a really a a a good hotel. 01:10:29.640 --> 01:10:32.400 I think it's two star something yeah it's a quite affordable 01:10:32.400 --> 01:10:36.200 budget hotel but it will have a one more extension and after not 01:10:36.200 --> 01:10:39.520 least it's about the public REM Improvement work, so improve 01:10:39.520 --> 01:10:42.240 the vibrant experience of Windsor Town Center. 01:10:43.880 --> 01:10:46.880 So the the two pictures you shows on the plan is about the of the 01:10:46.880 --> 01:10:50.000 new office building and the apart hotel building. 01:10:50.240 --> 01:10:53.000 So you probably see the building we try to make it more verticality, 01:10:53.000 --> 01:10:55.760 makes the building more slimmer, a set back on the first floor, 01:10:56.080 --> 01:10:58.960 the part hotel, we have a bit of more glass in the corner to make 01:10:58.960 --> 01:10:59.880 it a bit softened. 01:11:01.040 --> 01:11:03.840 Of course the key features of the hotel of the developer can sell 01:11:03.840 --> 01:11:05.600 it to the hotel operator. 01:11:06.040 --> 01:11:09.120 So there's about a number of key economic benefit to drive that 01:11:09.360 --> 01:11:12.560 scheme including of course the the benefit of having a more expenditure 01:11:12.560 --> 01:11:16.920 from the visitors and also it's also accommodate I mean contribute 01:11:16.920 --> 01:11:19.680 to a nearly twenty percent of the total accommodation in windsor 01:11:19.680 --> 01:11:22.440 is actually help support the tourism and business development 01:11:22.440 --> 01:11:26.240 in windsor as well And of course the new cinema is also help to 01:11:26.800 --> 01:11:29.600 make that economy more in the night time because you don't see 01:11:29.640 --> 01:11:29.800 them. 01:11:29.800 --> 01:11:31.880 I can run about more night time theme as well. 01:11:31.880 --> 01:11:34.360 So actually is to lengthen the time. 01:11:34.360 --> 01:11:36.840 I mean the opening hours for the the existing restaurant and 01:11:36.840 --> 01:11:40.080 shops can be a bit more extended so more visitors can come and 01:11:40.080 --> 01:11:47.440 stay in Windsor to enjoy the life there and that's environmental 01:11:47.440 --> 01:11:51.640 benefit is it is difficult to have that regenerations project 01:11:51.640 --> 01:11:52.720 have that important. 01:11:52.720 --> 01:11:55.560 So I mean the council is very ambitious to have a natural carbon 01:11:55.560 --> 01:11:56.800 and a BIOS of his nacking. 01:11:57.120 --> 01:11:59.960 So this team exactly can provide forty six percent reductions 01:11:59.960 --> 01:12:03.240 in carbon and also be secured by contribution for the remaining 01:12:03.800 --> 01:12:08.040 the BNG which is to be implemented possibly and mandatory ten 01:12:08.040 --> 01:12:11.280 percent in january twenty twenty four This scheme can demonstrate 01:12:11.280 --> 01:12:14.120 a hundred percent BNG But I mean important it's not about the 01:12:14.120 --> 01:12:16.920 thicker, it's about how the actual things what they did demotion. 01:12:16.920 --> 01:12:20.480 So they're having green roofing a lot of native species to be 01:12:20.480 --> 01:12:23.600 used at the public rim to make sure we bring the nature back to 01:12:23.600 --> 01:12:27.120 the Windsor town centre of course and last but not least it's 01:12:27.120 --> 01:12:28.040 a social benefit. 01:12:28.560 --> 01:12:31.760 The new cinema of course is to address a local need and of course 01:12:31.760 --> 01:12:36.120 they also including the existing residential you need to be 01:12:36.120 --> 01:12:39.680 improved is also help the existing residents to be benefit from 01:12:39.680 --> 01:12:42.200 the scheme and more importantly public RIM improvement right 01:12:42.200 --> 01:12:46.840 is actually increase the, I mean improve the overall environment 01:12:46.840 --> 01:12:49.880 of the whole Windsor towns that is actually both benefit visitors 01:12:49.880 --> 01:12:53.120 and residents of course is the the owners I mean the shop owners 01:12:53.120 --> 01:12:54.840 of the of Windsor Town Center. 01:12:55.360 --> 01:12:57.760 So now but not least you probably forget everything before you 01:12:57.760 --> 01:13:00.400 leave the room but I mean I want to give you six point to take away 01:13:00.400 --> 01:13:01.080 before you go. 01:13:01.360 --> 01:13:03.960 So the six key point is about the challenge lesson and what we 01:13:03.960 --> 01:13:06.200 have for the council on this scheme. 01:13:07.000 --> 01:13:10.000 So it's a regeneration in the highly constrained heritage town. 01:13:10.280 --> 01:13:12.280 It's difficult, I mean it's probably some of your country may 01:13:12.280 --> 01:13:13.520 got that issues as well. 01:13:13.760 --> 01:13:16.920 I think we need a bit more innovative and creative way from the 01:13:16.920 --> 01:13:17.880 developer to bring in. 01:13:17.880 --> 01:13:20.880 But also it's about I think there's a speaker talk about the trust 01:13:20.880 --> 01:13:23.120 between the the stakeholders. 01:13:23.360 --> 01:13:26.800 The council possibly is the one who will make the decision and 01:13:26.800 --> 01:13:29.920 also is the developer to make it happen to this scheme. 01:13:30.600 --> 01:13:33.960 The second thing is about how you really generate the the the 01:13:34.000 --> 01:13:37.320 more post pandemic things in because plan is there but they are 01:13:37.320 --> 01:13:40.320 not really up to date because of the the the changing world. 01:13:40.600 --> 01:13:43.400 So I mean the council have to be more flexibly with the developer 01:13:43.400 --> 01:13:46.320 to although it have to be policy compliance but also how to fit 01:13:46.320 --> 01:13:46.560 in. 01:13:46.840 --> 01:13:50.400 So in this game we try to allow the apart hotel, the office because 01:13:50.640 --> 01:13:54.760 actually Windsor is evolving from a just a Town Center become 01:13:54.760 --> 01:13:57.600 a more tourist business focus now especially after the pandemic. 01:13:58.760 --> 01:14:00.080 The third one is quite important. 01:14:00.080 --> 01:14:03.200 So I mean we need to have a local support otherwise never will happen. 01:14:03.200 --> 01:14:06.480 So I think social benefit is quite key to have a male major development. 01:14:06.640 --> 01:14:10.000 So we try to maximize the social benefit in the scheme to get more 01:14:10.000 --> 01:14:11.520 big support from the local people. 01:14:11.600 --> 01:14:14.560 That's important things of course the other two things I'm not 01:14:14.560 --> 01:14:18.000 trying to to to to to further elaborate the net zero and also the 01:14:18.000 --> 01:14:19.200 net the the carbon. 01:14:19.400 --> 01:14:22.240 But the last point I think is quite key because for all the other 01:14:22.240 --> 01:14:25.360 five point above, they need to be viability viable. 01:14:25.360 --> 01:14:28.440 So I think it's also helped the scheme to really make it happen. 01:14:28.880 --> 01:14:31.160 So I think that's it for my sharing. 01:14:31.160 --> 01:14:34.440 I mean, I just have one final point to say, I know my, my, my name 01:14:34.440 --> 01:14:35.520 is a bit difficult to pronounce. 01:14:35.520 --> 01:14:38.160 So if you want to ask me questions or you want to have a conversation 01:14:38.160 --> 01:14:40.640 in coffee break, I'm happy for you, me to call me Jeffrey. 01:14:40.640 --> 01:14:41.320 Thank you very much. 01:14:47.720 --> 01:14:49.840 OK OK Well, no time to lose. 01:14:50.000 --> 01:14:53.080 We still have eight minutes before the coffee break, but you 01:14:53.080 --> 01:14:57.160 own your ten minutes and hopefully you're willing to sacrifice, 01:14:57.160 --> 01:15:01.640 say five to ten more minutes from your coffee break for some short 01:15:01.720 --> 01:15:02.680 questions and answers. 01:15:02.680 --> 01:15:03.320 Please. 01:15:08.720 --> 01:15:09.160 Thank you. 01:15:09.160 --> 01:15:13.560 I'm conscious of time, so I'm going to maybe do this very briefly 01:15:13.560 --> 01:15:14.160 if I can. 01:15:14.160 --> 01:15:18.720 So my presentation will focus on Transit oriented Development 01:15:19.280 --> 01:15:23.800 also known, oh sorry. 01:15:26.520 --> 01:15:31.240 OK I'm also known as Todd which I'll be referring to throughout 01:15:31.240 --> 01:15:32.240 my presentation. 01:15:32.640 --> 01:15:35.440 So I'm very briefly going to outline the policy and practice 01:15:35.440 --> 01:15:38.760 context of Todd in Ireland before proceeding to speak on the 01:15:38.760 --> 01:15:42.080 selected case study Clumber Strategic Development Zone located 01:15:42.080 --> 01:15:46.080 in Dublin, Ireland and then follow through with some of the lessons 01:15:46.080 --> 01:15:55.640 that could be pulled from the Converse SDZ OK so toss in 01:15:55.640 --> 01:15:56.280 Ireland. 01:15:57.200 --> 01:16:00.560 Basically it's an established and integrated approach to transportation. 01:16:00.560 --> 01:16:04.600 On land use planning, a crucial link at the national level is 01:16:04.600 --> 01:16:08.120 our national planning framework and our transport policies. 01:16:08.120 --> 01:16:11.200 At a regional level, we have the National Transport Authority 01:16:11.800 --> 01:16:14.800 and the regional assemblies which are responsible for different 01:16:14.800 --> 01:16:15.680 strategies. 01:16:16.040 --> 01:16:18.400 Both must be consistent with one another though. 01:16:19.080 --> 01:16:24.200 So within the NTA strategy there is strong principles of Taj 01:16:24.200 --> 01:16:28.280 Bush the from reading the transport strategy, sometimes it 01:16:28.280 --> 01:16:31.360 can imply that it's gathering for the demand from land use. 01:16:31.360 --> 01:16:35.160 And then there's also this argument of high capacity versus 01:16:35.160 --> 01:16:36.880 quality or frequency. 01:16:37.600 --> 01:16:41.840 So it's short of assertion or decision, you know, basic questions 01:16:41.840 --> 01:16:43.480 of where, what, how and who. 01:16:44.800 --> 01:16:48.560 Often times in Ireland there's more, so a focus on the development 01:16:48.560 --> 01:16:49.600 aspects of Todd. 01:16:50.200 --> 01:16:54.720 And the same wage isn't necessarily given to the transport aspects 01:16:54.720 --> 01:17:00.240 of a todd 's scheme So the key mechanisms in Ireland, you know 01:17:00.240 --> 01:17:03.440 there's various mechanisms to actually deliver a todd 's scheme 01:17:04.040 --> 01:17:07.160 for the likes of converse there's a strategic development zone 01:17:07.280 --> 01:17:11.880 and notably the housing for all plan established a todd working 01:17:11.880 --> 01:17:16.920 group at a national level and they their role is to identify opportunities 01:17:16.920 --> 01:17:23.120 and barriers for todd in major urban centres So Todd in Ireland 01:17:23.120 --> 01:17:26.480 today, she has been on a bit of a journey so it has wished a growing 01:17:26.480 --> 01:17:31.280 recognition notably from the assessing the opportunities 01:17:31.280 --> 01:17:35.800 for Ireland, the Todd opportunities report published by Nask. 01:17:36.280 --> 01:17:40.240 So a lot of those recommendations have started to be implemented. 01:17:43.240 --> 01:17:47.360 So then the case study converse so it's located in the South Dublin 01:17:47.360 --> 01:17:49.920 County Council administrative area. 01:17:49.920 --> 01:17:53.840 It's fifteen minutes by train to the city, it's between twenty 01:17:53.840 --> 01:17:56.720 to thirty minutes by bike to the city centre, depending on where 01:17:56.720 --> 01:17:57.280 you're going. 01:17:58.440 --> 01:18:03.240 And it's a heavy rail line with two rail stations, so Kishou Grail 01:18:03.240 --> 01:18:07.000 station, which isn't open to date, and Clondock and Fontil, 01:18:09.000 --> 01:18:13.760 so this is the before, so it was really a blind canvas to design. 01:18:13.760 --> 01:18:20.360 You have the railway line, Sorry, I don't know where it's going, 01:18:21.080 --> 01:18:22.920 but then the Royal Canal as well. 01:18:22.920 --> 01:18:26.760 And then obviously they're joining land uses as well. 01:18:32.040 --> 01:18:35.400 So this is just an overview of what the planning scheme will actually 01:18:35.400 --> 01:18:35.960 deliver. 01:18:35.960 --> 01:18:41.480 So it'll be home to twenty three thousand people it'll have nine 01:18:41.480 --> 01:18:47.800 thousand homes and there is a range of mixed uses going to be delivered 01:18:47.800 --> 01:18:54.400 at the scheme So these are just some of the key aspects of the scheme. 01:18:54.800 --> 01:18:58.240 So it's two distinctive mixed use centres around rail notes 01:18:58.800 --> 01:19:03.240 Today construction has commenced on six hundred units The scheme 01:19:03.240 --> 01:19:07.480 was adopted in twenty nineteen subject to modifications by 01:19:07.480 --> 01:19:12.960 the appeals body in ireland and the dart The DART Plus Southwest 01:19:12.960 --> 01:19:15.800 application was submitted in March twenty twenty three which 01:19:15.800 --> 01:19:18.960 will increase the frequency along the railway line and is really 01:19:18.960 --> 01:19:25.720 key to sustainably deliver this scheme So the overall vision 01:19:25.720 --> 01:19:29.760 for Converse was a vibrant community offering a new way of living. 01:19:29.920 --> 01:19:33.560 And these are just a selection of some of the photo montages of 01:19:33.560 --> 01:19:36.360 applications that have went through the planning process to 01:19:36.360 --> 01:19:36.720 date. 01:19:39.160 --> 01:19:44.200 So the vision for Todd today in Ireland we've taken probably 01:19:44.200 --> 01:19:48.400 quite a node oriented approach and we haven't really looked 01:19:48.880 --> 01:19:52.600 at the regional approach say like the likes of Copenhagen have. 01:19:53.560 --> 01:19:57.040 The research has indicated that a strategic visioning of Todd 01:19:57.040 --> 01:20:00.480 needs to begin at the regional and metropolitan scale. 01:20:00.800 --> 01:20:05.280 So we have begun to do that with the likes of the mass plans at a 01:20:05.280 --> 01:20:07.800 regional level, so. 01:20:08.120 --> 01:20:13.880 It's in process anyway, so integrating transport and land use 01:20:13.880 --> 01:20:18.480 in a plan LED approach, In the case of converse development is 01:20:18.480 --> 01:20:21.880 likely to precede the delivery of the requisite transport infrastructure, 01:20:21.880 --> 01:20:26.280 such as the improvements to the railway line or the bus connects 01:20:26.280 --> 01:20:27.240 plan for the city. 01:20:28.240 --> 01:20:31.240 So key decisions have been deferred to the development management 01:20:31.240 --> 01:20:35.280 stage to resolve, such as the reduced car parking. 01:20:35.360 --> 01:20:38.680 So the same standards are being applied in a countrywide basis 01:20:38.680 --> 01:20:43.360 where access to high quality public transport is likely incomparable. 01:20:44.680 --> 01:20:49.920 While they do recommend introducing reduced standards, it's 01:20:49.920 --> 01:20:52.720 not statutory, so it's difficult to enforce. 01:20:53.920 --> 01:20:57.720 For the interchange there was really no design parameters set 01:20:58.840 --> 01:21:02.440 in the planning scheme, so that again was left up to the development 01:21:02.440 --> 01:21:05.000 management stage to apply. 01:21:06.040 --> 01:21:09.320 And then there's also the need for the scheme to be fixed but also 01:21:09.320 --> 01:21:12.840 flexible because at the end of the day the scheme needs to be delivered. 01:21:13.560 --> 01:21:17.600 And an important aspect was the area based approach, looking 01:21:17.600 --> 01:21:22.200 beyond the red line, creating permeability with the existing 01:21:22.400 --> 01:21:26.280 uses surrounding the site, such as opening up of the cul de sacs 01:21:26.720 --> 01:21:31.480 to the existing neighbourhoods and then the transport ambitions. 01:21:31.960 --> 01:21:37.400 Cumbers is very much seen as an exemplar for active travel, but 01:21:38.760 --> 01:21:43.520 the modelling that was actually produced for the scheme predicted 01:21:43.560 --> 01:21:52.320 thirty nine percent of AMP travel would be by car to work So delivering, 01:21:52.320 --> 01:21:57.960 Todd, when reviewing the planning scheme, you note that there's 01:21:58.200 --> 01:22:01.840 really not a lot of detail of how the scheme was going to be delivered, 01:22:01.840 --> 01:22:05.360 what are the funding mechanisms that are going to be employed, 01:22:06.000 --> 01:22:08.880 Because at the time it was just really not known that level of 01:22:08.880 --> 01:22:09.520 detail. 01:22:10.440 --> 01:22:13.920 But an important thing is the phasing of infrastructure with 01:22:13.920 --> 01:22:19.160 development that was actually omitted by the appeals body in 01:22:19.160 --> 01:22:23.520 the adoption of the planning scheme and the funding of requisite 01:22:23.520 --> 01:22:25.520 infrastructure to unlock development. 01:22:25.720 --> 01:22:30.840 Fortunately, Tom Burris has been a recipient of the URDF, which 01:22:30.840 --> 01:22:34.800 has been key to actually getting the infrastructure on site 01:22:34.800 --> 01:22:35.280 to date. 01:22:36.800 --> 01:22:40.600 So the institutions, we have various bodies that are responsible 01:22:40.600 --> 01:22:45.160 for, you know, water transport and then of course the public, 01:22:45.200 --> 01:22:46.800 the local authority itself. 01:22:47.640 --> 01:22:50.600 So there's a coordination needed between all these bodies. 01:22:50.600 --> 01:22:53.720 And then it's a matter of who are actually responsible for the 01:22:53.720 --> 01:22:54.520 coordination. 01:22:54.920 --> 01:22:56.320 Is it the planning department? 01:22:56.320 --> 01:22:59.920 Is there an agency established to deliver the scheme? 01:23:00.280 --> 01:23:03.840 So in the case of Converse, there is a delivery team within the 01:23:03.840 --> 01:23:06.080 council that look after this project. 01:23:07.800 --> 01:23:11.880 So some concluding comments and there's greater emphasis in 01:23:11.880 --> 01:23:15.960 policy needed on Todd at a national, regional level to actually 01:23:15.960 --> 01:23:18.720 assert A spatial strategic vision of Todd. 01:23:19.280 --> 01:23:22.760 A greater focus on outcomes and impacts. 01:23:22.760 --> 01:23:26.320 If we want reduced private car usage on increased active travel, 01:23:26.320 --> 01:23:30.480 what policies are needed to actually support this and bring 01:23:30.480 --> 01:23:33.960 key decisions forward to the plan making stage instead of leaving 01:23:34.080 --> 01:23:38.440 key decisions like car parking to development management to 01:23:38.440 --> 01:23:43.040 then enforce and greater focus on delivery, greater coordination 01:23:43.040 --> 01:23:46.400 between stakeholders, greater certainty on funding and phasing. 01:23:46.920 --> 01:23:51.320 And at a national level, we actually have our national planning 01:23:51.320 --> 01:23:54.480 framework, so we're supported by a national development plan. 01:23:55.040 --> 01:23:59.080 So instances like that, they're good to learn from for a local 01:23:59.080 --> 01:24:02.280 level as well to actually ensure that there is funding in place 01:24:02.760 --> 01:24:04.600 to unlock development. 01:24:05.800 --> 01:24:09.800 So overall, just better planning, better transport and better places. 01:24:10.200 --> 01:24:13.600 It's very much a multidisciplinary approach that is needed 01:24:14.240 --> 01:24:18.080 and you know, to deliver Todd in Ireland anyway. 01:24:18.800 --> 01:24:19.680 OK thank you. 01:24:22.360 --> 01:24:27.400 Yeah, well, great stories, great research, great planning 01:24:27.600 --> 01:24:28.920 and great time management. 01:24:29.120 --> 01:24:32.720 So I'm a happy moderator of this session. 01:24:33.280 --> 01:24:37.720 I understand there are some announcement to be made about something, 01:24:37.720 --> 01:24:39.400 I don't know, so it will be a surprise. 01:24:39.400 --> 01:24:43.320 But I think it's something about books or publications not only, 01:24:43.360 --> 01:24:48.080 not only, but it means that we will not take away all your coffee 01:24:48.080 --> 01:24:55.240 time and we'll keep your questions for later or you will talk 01:24:55.240 --> 01:24:59.280 with the people who spoke and exchange directly I guess, because 01:24:59.320 --> 01:25:01.000 otherwise we will run out in time. 01:25:01.000 --> 01:25:06.360 So thanks for all the presenters say Piotr, the floor is yours 01:25:06.720 --> 01:25:07.280 as always. 01:25:07.400 --> 01:25:07.680 Thank you. 01:25:10.040 --> 01:25:11.040 Thank you so much, Frank. 01:25:11.480 --> 01:25:14.680 Just a few announcements, sorry about cutting this questions 01:25:14.680 --> 01:25:19.560 and comments session, but I think that we can easily say that 01:25:19.560 --> 01:25:21.280 for the for the coffee break. 01:25:21.680 --> 01:25:24.560 So a few announcements, first of all, since some of you will be 01:25:24.560 --> 01:25:25.680 leaving early today. 01:25:25.680 --> 01:25:29.840 As we know we have these plastic badges as we know we try to be sustainable. 01:25:29.840 --> 01:25:33.440 So please, if you do not need them for some reason, you can leave 01:25:33.440 --> 01:25:34.360 them at the reception. 01:25:34.360 --> 01:25:37.240 We are going to reuse them for any next opportunity so to speak, 01:25:37.240 --> 01:25:37.560 right. 01:25:37.800 --> 01:25:41.600 So please, if you do not need them, leave them back at the reception. 01:25:41.600 --> 01:25:44.440 We are going to reuse these plastic things for the next time. 01:25:45.000 --> 01:25:49.280 The second thing is that yesterday you had a chance to get volume 01:25:50.040 --> 01:25:53.800 regarding the advanced architecture of for the period two thousand 01:25:53.800 --> 01:25:58.120 fifteen two thousand twenty For your information, there is 01:25:58.520 --> 01:26:01.840 another one available for you from five years earlier. 01:26:02.560 --> 01:26:05.520 We have just a few copies for you, so if you feel like carrying 01:26:05.520 --> 01:26:08.040 heavy stuff, you are free to take that. 01:26:08.800 --> 01:26:13.360 Also, if you feel like getting an electronic copy, you can download 01:26:13.360 --> 01:26:14.560 that from our website. 01:26:14.560 --> 01:26:21.640 We can send you the link later on so you can get APDF without being 01:26:23.360 --> 01:26:26.840 challenged by your airline or whatever mean of transportation 01:26:26.840 --> 01:26:31.960 you are you are using to get back the third thing. 01:26:32.240 --> 01:26:36.440 And also we have the because this is volume two we also have volume 01:26:36.440 --> 01:26:39.480 one which is unfortunately not available in print anymore. 01:26:39.760 --> 01:26:43.280 It was just you know produced like ten years ago. 01:26:44.000 --> 01:26:46.920 But again we have the electronic version, so we can send you the 01:26:46.920 --> 01:26:50.120 link also so you can have the electronic versions of all of this 01:26:50.120 --> 01:26:50.520 stuff. 01:26:51.280 --> 01:26:56.200 The third thing is, is that today after the end or in the end of 01:26:56.200 --> 01:27:00.040 the next session, we are going to have a presentation for this 01:27:00.040 --> 01:27:04.360 book about this Gdansk west front of the city centre. 01:27:04.760 --> 01:27:07.760 The books are already waiting for you, both published and English 01:27:07.760 --> 01:27:08.280 version. 01:27:09.000 --> 01:27:12.520 Although we have to note who has taken that. 01:27:12.680 --> 01:27:13.800 Sorry, it's public money. 01:27:13.800 --> 01:27:17.080 We have to report afterwards how many copies went and who take 01:27:17.080 --> 01:27:17.880 it and so on. 01:27:18.360 --> 01:27:19.680 So it's free of charge of course. 01:27:19.680 --> 01:27:22.320 So you are free to choose either Polish or English version. 01:27:22.320 --> 01:27:23.640 Hopefully we have enough copies. 01:27:23.640 --> 01:27:26.840 So we just received a few boxes from the printing office yesterday, 01:27:27.480 --> 01:27:30.560 so please feel free to do that. 01:27:30.960 --> 01:27:34.480 And then after the end of the next session, since we're going 01:27:34.480 --> 01:27:38.040 to have an author here with us, who will be presenting that, so 01:27:38.360 --> 01:27:40.120 you can ask him questions after that. 01:27:40.120 --> 01:27:44.560 So that's why you get these books now and also the author will 01:27:44.560 --> 01:27:47.680 be ready for you to sign the books for you if anybody is interested 01:27:47.680 --> 01:27:48.720 in this kind of the thing. 01:27:49.320 --> 01:27:52.240 And last housekeeping announcement, unfortunately due to 01:27:52.240 --> 01:27:55.040 some accident, we are losing one of the speakers from the next 01:27:55.040 --> 01:27:55.480 session. 01:27:56.520 --> 01:28:02.880 And since this is about the young city in Gdansk and our city architect 01:28:02.880 --> 01:28:06.600 's office was very much involved in the planning for that So we 01:28:06.600 --> 01:28:07.520 have the presentation. 01:28:07.520 --> 01:28:11.160 So I will step in as a substitute speaker for that just to present 01:28:11.160 --> 01:28:12.600 a few elements. 01:28:12.600 --> 01:28:15.760 There are also some reports associated with that, but I will 01:28:15.760 --> 01:28:19.720 report on that during that short intervention in the end of the 01:28:20.200 --> 01:28:21.040 of the next session. 01:28:21.280 --> 01:28:25.800 So enjoy your coffee break and see you back in twenty five minutes. 01:28:25.800 --> 01:28:26.080 Thank you.